Is this for real?

[Death God]

War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.

Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.

True but then again, war has no real purpose other than to be able to to intimidate other countries into either leaving them alone or by ceasing an a soon to be un-winnable war with a neighboring enemy.

I don't agree. I think World War 1 and World War 2 had very real benefits for the winners. Nations weren't as dependent on each other for finance back then. Superpowers could risk fighting each other without their economy collapsing through lack of trade.

That is true I guess but as of right now, I am lacking any logical sense in both the Vietnam and Iraq wars. Both are very needless or at the very least, not being expressed well enough to the public they concern.

 

[Kortney]

War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.

Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.

True but then again, war has no real purpose other than to be able to to intimidate other countries into either leaving them alone or by ceasing an a soon to be un-winnable war with a neighboring enemy.

I don't agree. I think World War 1 and World War 2 had very real benefits for the winners. Nations weren't as dependent on each other for finance back then. Superpowers could risk fighting each other without their economy collapsing through lack of trade.

That is true I guess but as of right now, I am lacking any logical sense in both the Vietnam and Iraq wars. Both are very needless or at the very least, not being expressed well enough to the public they concern.

The Iraq war is needless, but the USA profits quite healthily through being there.

Either way that is beside the point as I am talking about an all out war involving two super powers on seperate sides. That is the kind of thing that creates a World War. I'm not suggesting that there wont be war in the foreseeable future - there certainly will be. However what I don't see happening is a war between China and the USA because they both need each other to survive right now.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

The fighter is shown to be taxing around the runway, that is a far cry from a fully functional fighter. The F-22 was in development for years before it ever entered production. In other words, the plane looks like a stealth jet but nobody except the people building it know how it preforms. Let's all take a deep breath before we start calling this thing the herald for the 3rd world war.

 

[Death God]

War is bound to happen. Whether one day Turkey and China are allies against the US and the next France is being teamed up on by China and the US. It's just a matter of who has enough guts to join together or attack first.

Why though? Think about the monumental economy hit the Chinese would take. A war between China and the USA would be crippling for both parties. Even if one were to come out on top, what would they gain? A worse off economy and trade sector? Yep.

True but then again, war has no real purpose other than to be able to to intimidate other countries into either leaving them alone or by ceasing an a soon to be un-winnable war with a neighboring enemy.

I don't agree. I think World War 1 and World War 2 had very real benefits for the winners. Nations weren't as dependent on each other for finance back then. Superpowers could risk fighting each other without their economy collapsing through lack of trade.

That is true I guess but as of right now, I am lacking any logical sense in both the Vietnam and Iraq wars. Both are very needless or at the very least, not being expressed well enough to the public they concern.

The Iraq war is needless, but the USA profits quite healthily through being there.

Either way that is beside the point as I am talking about an all out war involving two super powers on seperate sides. That is the kind of thing that creates a World War. I'm not suggesting that there wont be war in the foreseeable future - there certainly will be. However what I don't see happening is a war between China and the USA because they both need each other to survive right now.

Yeah. So long as we need each other we are fine. But once china starts to grow independent from the USA I have a feeling the gloves will come off. And it will be huge.

 

[vxicepickxv]

An F-22 shaped aircraft with F-35 data. It's not as good as these guys are hyping it out to be. The engines on that aircraft are a very big weakness. That thing is going to have a very large IR cross section. The radar cross section is going to be much larger than an F-22. I'm also willing to bet the radar system isn't the kind we use with our stealth aircraft.

This is more hype than anything else.

 

[tthor]

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein

 

[BonsaiK]

http://online.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-chinas-rising-military/3860E3F0-CB35-4CA0-A355-3838AF6F28DF.html?mod=WSJ_article_related

besides the US CAN STILL PREVAIL against this. If you don't believe me read popular mechanics December 2010 issue

It doesn't matter because China and the USA are not going to go to war with each other within our lifetimes. The two countries have a symbiotic trade relationship which both countries need and neither wants to upset, and they'll remain on "somewhere between cool and cozy" terms long into the future.

Yeah. So long as we need each other we are fine. But once china starts to grow independent from the USA I have a feeling the gloves will come off. And it will be huge.

You mean, once the USA starts to grow independent from China! But that won't happen - they've been growing closer and closer together for decades now, with no sign of stopping, and the current wars that the USA is engaged in will only bring them closer together still. If anything, that new fighter plane (or whatever) will be flying missions for US forces, not against them.

 

[Death God]

Yeah. So long as we need each other we are fine. But once china starts to grow independent from the USA I have a feeling the gloves will come off. And it will be huge.

You mean, once the USA starts to grow independent from China! But that won't happen - they've been growing closer and closer together for decades now, with no sign of stopping, and the current wars that the USA is engaged in will only bring them closer together still. If anything, that new fighter plane (or whatever) will be flying missions for US forces, not against them.[/quote]
True, but something similar might happen or something will wrong somewhere causing alliances to falter and burn out.

 

[BonsaiK]

True, but something similar might happen or something will wrong somewhere causing alliances to falter and burn out.

I'd rate the likelihood of the Chinese/USA alliance faltering at about the same as the Taliban turning themselves into US forces en masse and saying "we're tired of this war, you can have this land, it's like, no big deal, and by the way we hear Christianity is really cool, can you distribute some Bibles to the villages around here, thanks". I mean, it could happen, I suppose, it's certainly within the realms of physical possibility... but realistically, it's not likely.