Is this Plagiarism?

[Cpu46]

So i was visiting another site that i frequent, the Mabinogi forums Fan-art section, and to my surprise there was a new topic titled "Why so MUCH art Plagiarism on Art Forum?" So, intrigued, i clicked on it. The topic, quite obveouly was over similarities between art found on the forums and art from other sources. His focus was on two forum members who had used existing art as a base for their own, mostly using just the poses of the characters but nothing else.

My question is this: do you, as the most intelligent group of internet users that I know, think that these two members are guilty of plagiarism or is the accuser just being a troll? Personally I think that the accuser is trolling.

Here is the link to the thread in question.
[link]http://forum.nexon.net/Mabinogi/forums/thread/4537926.aspx[/link]

 

[delet]

If they're trying to make money off it, yes. If not it can simply be practice to advance their own art.

Edit: The first one is a little too close for comfort, but the second one is only similar in pose; there's plenty of different elements to the piece to keep it from being too blatantly plagiarized.

 

[Danzaivar]

I wouldn't say that's plagiarism. I wouldn't also deem the creatures who ***** about anime on forums as 'people'.

But err, the people who 'copied' in those examples are really flipping good. o_o

 

[ZeLunarian]

My old art teacher once said: Inspiration is plagiarism in disguise~
That i would say everything is grrraaand. Leave them off for using old picture as a template for new ones~

 

[crepesack]

First off, these people need a lesson in breast physics and second off no, i wouldn't call it plagiarism. It may be based off the same concept but its not blatant usage of another's work as your own.

 

[Gauntes]

When I finish drawing something, it does irritate me when someone says the pose looks like something more popular. However, that does look a bit sketchy (hahaha)

 

[atalanta]

Yes, it's plagiarism, and yes, it's hurting people.

The thing people aren't getting is that the people who drew the original pictures may very well be professional artists and illustrators. The reason they put stuff on the web is so that people will see their art and give them money to do more of it. If you've got someone else claiming that artwork for their own, the artist suffers.

My old art teacher once said: Inspiration is plagiarism in disguise~
That i would say everything is grrraaand. Leave them off for using old picture as a template for new ones~

Something tells me your art teacher would be whistling a different tune if someone copied one of her paintings line for line and sold it.

 

[Dexiro]

I wouldn't call that plagiarism.

These people haven't just done a blatant copy, they've at least added a little bit of effort to make it their own.

Although they should at least give credit to the original instead of passing it off as 100% theirs, or they can't blame people for calling them out on it.

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Actually on second thoughts i would call it plagiarism unless they give credit to the original artist. At least SOME of their work if being passed off as someone elses which isn't quite right.

 

[ZeLunarian]

My old art teacher once said: Inspiration is plagiarism in disguise~
That i would say everything is grrraaand. Leave them off for using old picture as a template for new ones~

Something tells me your art teacher would be whistling a different tune if someone copied one of her paintings line for line and sold it.

Don't get me wrong. She was an TERRIBLE teacher.
But lets take the pictures in the given link as an example shall we?
They have different subject matters in similar poses... Identical really xD but they're of different people... just the same pose.
Now;
If i painted say a meadow with a horse in it... and you painted the SAME meadow and the SAME horse then I'd be pissed... but say if you painted a camal in a desert. Even with the same lines and same positioning. I couldn't REALLY call you out on that.
I hope you get my point~
Still hated that teacher xD

 

[Deef]

I don't think it's copying so much as using the original pictures as references.
There's only so many poses in the world, and drawing with a reference does help when trying to learn a new style.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Would Plagiarism even be the right word to use for art? I would imagine so for Literature, but not for art.

OT: No, the art is used as an inspiration. They don't fully copy the previous work. Diffrent additions were added in to both pictures to make then differ from the previous art and yes although they use the same pose, thats about all they share.

Although I gotta agree, the first one is a tad too similar to the first.

 

[Insanum]

These are the kind of people that think that Mozart copied the jonas brothers, Although there are genuine examples of..."Closely modelled "inspiration""

Just look at Duduf's Avatar for proof of it. (and if ive fecked that up i apologise)

 

[SnootyEnglishman]

The first picture offered up as evidence is to close a call for me. The second one however is only similar in one aspect and i don't believe it counts as plagiarism. If the people are intending to make money upon their drawings and claiming it as their own then yes it plagiaristic it not then their just very-close look alikes.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

Strictly speaking, plagarism is trying to pass off someone else's work as your own, so neither is plagarism. They're not making money off of it, as far as I can tell, so its not illegal, so really it comes down to some people on anime forums trying to level up their internet cocks and there is no real surprise to that.

 

[Logic 0]

The first one is little more than a color change while the second one is greatly different so I think it's not really plagiarism.

 

[Altorin]

if I learned anything from the story about that simmons kid's manga, anime is LITTERED with reused work, line for line, and for the most part, the makers are ok with it.. It's just part of what anime is, as long as you're telling a new story, do whatever you want.

It's just here in the west where people get their panties in a bunch over plagiarism in anime.

 

[Cpu46]

I wouldn't call that plagiarism.

These people haven't just done a blatant copy, they've at least added a little bit of effort to make it their own.

Although they should at least give credit to the original instead of passing it off as 100% theirs, or they can't blame people for calling them out on it.

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Actually on second thoughts i would call it plagiarism unless they give credit to the original artist. At least SOME of their work if being passed off as someone elses which is quite right.

Yea, thats why I posted my question here. They should have added the original source, especially the first one, however both had enough elements to clearly separate them from the original.

Most members of the community dont post much art so i can understand some confusion on weather they need to post a link to the source they used. The Forums are usually laid back and easygoing so nobody really cares much about source material unless someone posts a picture with little or no editing done to it and says it is theirs.
The accuser is relatively new to the community (joined on the same day that I posted this topic, dont know how long he lurked) so I can also understand his strong stance against the pictures. However his last paragraph 'warning' all the members about copying made me feel that he was just trolling.

 

[The Heik]

So i was visiting another site that i frequent, the Mabinogi forums Fan-art section, and to my surprise there was a new topic titled "Why so MUCH art Plagiarism on Art Forum?" So, intrigued, i clicked on it. The topic, quite obveouly was over similarities between art found on the forums and art from other sources. His focus was on two forum members who had used existing art as a base for their own, mostly using just the poses of the characters but nothing else.

My question is this: do you, as the most intelligent group of internet users that I know, think that these two members are guilty of plagiarism or is the accuser just being a troll? Personally I think that the accuser is trolling.

Here is the link to the thread in question.
[link]http://forum.nexon.net/Mabinogi/forums/thread/4537926.aspx[/link]

While I agree with the guy about first sets of images (the eyes are identical and the other features nearly match too), the second set has a posture that I've seen so many times that I'm not even sure who did it first.

 

[atalanta]

My old art teacher once said: Inspiration is plagiarism in disguise~
That i would say everything is grrraaand. Leave them off for using old picture as a template for new ones~

Something tells me your art teacher would be whistling a different tune if someone copied one of her paintings line for line and sold it.

Don't get me wrong. She was an TERRIBLE teacher.
But lets take the pictures in the given link as an example shall we?
They have different subject matters in similar poses... Identical really xD but they're of different people... just the same pose.
Now;
If i painted say a meadow with a horse in it... and you painted the SAME meadow and the SAME horse then I'd be pissed... but say if you painted a camal in a desert. Even with the same lines and same positioning. I couldn't REALLY call you out on that.
I hope you get my point~
Still hated that teacher xD

That's a bad analogy. Those aren't similar poses; they're nearly line-for-line the same. It's horse-to-camel, it's more like I lightboxed your horse, then painted it white instead of brown. You still did the work and I'm still copying.

The other thing is that I've been looking at these, and it's not a similar pose, or that one looks like it was referenced from the other; it looks like one was directly traced from the other. That ain't right, yo.

 

[Regiment]

Yeah, it's plagiarism. It's nearly tracing. It's one thing to be inspired by a piece of art and another thing entirely to duplicate it like that.