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Knight Templar

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Yes for better or worse.

I have a teacher who talked about aborigines like animals and glorified the Spanish invaders of the Aztec empire. Bad, yeah but its not like she will stop talking like that, they (teachers) have options.
Free speech and all that, but they should try and keep them to themselves and teach fact.

Oh and nobody go on about the McCain and Palin thing, we know it isn't true.
 

Reaperman Wompa

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As long as they didn't try to force their beliefs on you there's nothing to worry about. If instead they said "Today we are going to look at how Obama is better than McCain" and spent the lesson describing ways (to him) Obama is better then you would be in the right in being angry.
Instead all he did was voice his opinion. Also shame on you and your class on laughing at someone who just happens to dislike something you like.
 

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Well it's still up to the pupil to agree with whatever the teacher says regardless of what the teacher says, they'll still have a choice in the matter.

-Ricky
 

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While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching evolution in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832395 said:
While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching creationism in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
Fixed.

Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
 

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OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832404 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832395 said:
While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching creationism in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
Fixed.

Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
Thing is, creationists do not believe in evolution, so it's bad to teach it because it offends them.
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832407 said:
OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832404 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832395 said:
While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching creationism in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
Fixed.

Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
Thing is, creationists do not believe in evolution, so it's bad to teach it because it offends them.
I think you have it backwards. Evolution (you know, the science one) is taught in science class. It's not bad to teach science in science class. What IS bad is teaching religious opinion in science class... because it's not science.
 

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OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832433 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832407 said:
OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832404 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832395 said:
While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching creationism in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
Fixed.

Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
Thing is, creationists do not believe in evolution, so it's bad to teach it because it offends them.
I think you have it backwards. Evolution (you know, the science one) is taught in science class. It's not bad to teach science in science class. What IS bad is teaching religious opinion in science class... because it's not science.
Look, I'm not a creationist, but I have a friend who is, and whenever evolution is talked about in class, he feels left out of the discussion and slightly offended. Thing is It Doesn't Matter If It Isn't Right, It Is Offensive To Some People
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832443 said:
Look, I'm not a creationist, but I have a friend who is, and whenever evolution is talked about in class, he feels left out of the discussion and slightly offended. Thing is It Doesn't Matter If It Isn't Right, It Is Offensive To Some People
I find it hard to pity people whose feelings are hurt because they're being taught science in science class. That's like saying we shouldn't teach about The Holocaust because there's a Holocaust denier in the class.

OP: Nothing wrong with expressing your views as long as you can support them. Saying "Obama's smarter than McCain and Palin put together" isn't a good argument, it's an ad hominem attack against the opposition. I have no problems with rational debate, but that example wasn't very rational.
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832407 said:
OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832404 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832395 said:
While I do support Obama, I would have to say that no, this isn't right, while we do have freedom of speech, this kind of crosses a line. This kind of the same as teaching creationism in schools, some people don't agree with it, and so it's not really nice to the Mccain supporters.
Fixed.

Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
Thing is, creationists do not believe in evolution, so it's bad to teach it because it offends them.
Pretend I don't believe in math. Would it then be wrong to try to teach that to me?

To the question, to limit what you can say just because you might offend a few people is silly. He can say whatever the hell he wants. Doesn't mean he's not a dick, but he's a dick with rights.

Also, if you can hold an intelligent debate with him about McCain vs. Obama, then the only people that will laugh at you are idiots and should be ignored. If you can't, and this goes for just about everything, then you shouldn't be bitching in the first place because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 

Lord Krunk

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What the hell?

Americans constantly brag about their so-called "freedom", and you state that your teacher should not be allowed to praise Obama?

P.S. In case you haven't noticed, he's right. Did you see the Presidential Debate? McCain called the U.S.A. a continent.

EDIT: In reference to earlier posts, did you know (in Australia) that a particular question in a state-wide (NSW) test that they changed B.C. (Before Christ) to B.C.E. (Before the Common Era) and A.D. (Whatever that means) to C.E. (Common Era)?

This caused a lot of controversy, because the Catholic Schools got extremely pissed off at them for it. I deem it bullshit, because it should be changed; as there are more religions than Christianity, especially in Australia.
 

Spartan Bannana

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I give up, nobody seems to get that it's wrong to offend people, so please, just take off your cynical-ass-hats now.
 

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OuroborosChoked post=18.74387.832433 said:
I think you have it backwards. Evolution (you know, the science one) is taught in science class. It's not bad to teach science in science class. What IS bad is teaching religious opinion in science class... because it's not science.
Though, couldn't you teach the basics of creationism, to compare and contrast, as well as deal with ethics (in some form or other). What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, teaching the basis of creationism would be alright, as long as you end up comparing it to evolution. Not saying creationism is correct, however, but to tell the student that there are different perspectives.

As for the OP, I don't think that the teacher was out of line. They were cracking a joke, and while it was a bit offensive to you, I don't think that they singled you out, nor did they preach to you. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I think you should've asked him why he said what he did, and then tell him you you believe he's wrong (start a discussion in class).

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832470 said:
I give up, nobody seems to get that it's wrong to offend people, so please, just take off your cynical-ass-hats now.
I though the rule of comedy was "Nothing's sacred"?
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832470 said:
I give up, nobody seems to get that it's wrong to offend people, so please, just take off your cynical-ass-hats now.
You don't have the right to not be offended.
 

Spartan Bannana

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Graustein post=18.74387.832477 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832470 said:
I give up, nobody seems to get that it's wrong to offend people, so please, just take off your cynical-ass-hats now.
You don't have the right to not be offended.
Alright, fine, I get it, I was wrong in defending a close friend.
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832443 said:
It Doesn't Matter If It Isn't Right, It Is Offensive To Some People
As is teaching creationism in a science class to scientists.
 

Spartan Bannana

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Ultrajoe post=18.74387.832505 said:
Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832443 said:
It Doesn't Matter If It Isn't Right, It Is Offensive To Some People
As is teaching creationism in a science class to scientists.
See! This is what I was looking for. You can state your opinion without being mean and sarcastic.
 

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whoops1995 post=18.74387.831623 said:
I was in Langauge Arts class the other day and for some reason the topic of politics came up and my teacher said, "Obama has more inteligence that McCain and Palin put together" and (being in New Jersey-a blue state) everyone laughed. What I want to know is whether he should be allowed to express his political views to the class? I personally took some offense to this becuase i support McCain, but i just don't think he should be allowed to say this to the class.
When i say "is this right?" I don't mean is he right that obama is smarter than mccain and palin.
How old is your class?
 

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Spartan Bannana post=18.74387.832470 said:
I give up, nobody seems to get that it's wrong to offend people, so please, just take off your cynical-ass-hats now.
Would ironic be the right way to describe this?
 

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Reaperman Wompa post=18.74387.832218 said:
Also shame on you and your class on laughing at someone who just happens to dislike something you like.
no your completely misunderstanding the whole situation, my class was on his side, i wasn't, they were laughing with him while i didn't laugh at all.

And to all the people out there saying I'm a whiny ***** and that I'm trying to crush his freedom of speech, all i said was htat i was a little offended and while he can say it, i want to know if he should have. seriously do you guys just read "i support McCain" and put on your flaming dunce cap.