It Dawned on me Today... [Skyrim]

[endtherapture]

Actually The thalmor are not as "evil" as they seem.

You see the spirit Lorkhan tricked many other spirits into creating Mundus, the mortal realm, causing countless to die and those who remained to be stripped of most their power.

The Altmer seek to remove Talos, because Talos is Lorkhan reborn, and free themselves so they can regain thier original forms that were taken from them through deciet.

The hatred of man comes from the fact that Mankind are Lorkhans children, as long as they live so will Lorkhan, and as long as he lives they will be trapped by mortality.

they are still massive dicks, but they are technically just trying to take back what was stolen from them.

Yeah but none of us know this so we just see them as Nazis.

And Hitler was just "trying to take back what was stolen from him" in the Treaty of Versailles etc. so yes the Nazi comparison works.

 

[RJ 17]

Actually The thalmor are not as "evil" as they seem.

You see the spirit Lorkhan tricked many other spirits into creating Mundus, the mortal realm, causing countless to die and those who remained to be stripped of most their power.

The Altmer seek to remove Talos, because Talos is Lorkhan reborn, and free themselves so they can regain thier original forms that were taken from them through deciet.

The hatred of man comes from the fact that Mankind are Lorkhans children, as long as they live so will Lorkhan, and as long as he lives they will be trapped by mortality.

they are still massive dicks, but they are technically just trying to take back what was stolen from them.

So the Thalmor should all become Dagon worshipers and kill themselves. Make everyone a whole lot happier, including themselves as they'll finally be released from the world of mortals.

 

[SEXTON HALE]

Hah! I dont have to worry about racist assholes or elitest assholes any more.
I helped out the stormcloaks but always had my own plans that were being set in motion.
They basically consisted of waiting for the right time to murder ulfric and take his throne.
I did this after his big speech and challanged him to fair combat as is the tradition in skyrim.
Though just before I could finish him my horse stole the kill and took my rightful place as the king of skyrim.

 

[95spartans]

Again, true...But how do we not know that dragons killing you is their way of showing affection?

I guess you are the dragon born, so is the dragon you dad or your mom?

Actually The thalmor are not as "evil" as they seem.

You see the spirit Lorkhan tricked many other spirits into creating Mundus, the mortal realm, causing countless to die and those who remained to be stripped of most their power.

The Altmer seek to remove Talos, because Talos is Lorkhan reborn, and free themselves so they can regain thier original forms that were taken from them through deciet.

The hatred of man comes from the fact that Mankind are Lorkhans children, as long as they live so will Lorkhan, and as long as he lives they will be trapped by mortality.

they are still massive dicks, but they are technically just trying to take back what was stolen from them.

So if men were created by Lorkhan and elves are (or at least believe they are) descended from Aedra, what about Khajit, Argonians and other similar races.

 

[Dood]

As I see it in Skyrim you have the stupid side and the Empire. Ulfric sounded charismatic and I'm sure that is what got him more support but if anyone was to step back and look at their plan they would see just how idiotic it was.

The Stormcloaks want to fight the Empire to worship Talos which the Thalmor(who defeated the much larger Imperial army) won't want and therefor would attack the weakened not as well equipped and trained Stormcloaks thereby taking over Skyrim.

 

[SajuukKhar]

So if men were created by Lorkhan and elves are (or at least believe they are) descended from Aedra, what about Khajit, Argonians and other similar races.

Argonains are creations of the Hist, a race of sentient trees form the past universe that survived Alduin's last eating

Khajiit are creations of Azura, made to hold up the lunar lattice.

All the other races are decedents of various spirits who didn't die fully, like those that became the earth bones, yet didn't give large parts of themsevles and became the aedra.

 

[JasonKaotic]

I sided with the Stormcloaks because I think the Thalmor can be defeated. Hammerfell drove them out, and the Empire gave them a harsh defeat just before they surrendered, so I don't see why Skyrim would be any different.
And not all Stormcloaks are racist. Plus Ulfric and Galmar seem to warm up to you pretty quickly if you side with them regardless of your race.

Also, if you want to side against Ralof, you're a bad person and you make me cry.

 

[Daveman]

This is the main reason I left it until I'd done everything else. If there was the option, like the Yes Man option in New Vegas, I would just back myself to take over everything.

 

[Jynthor]

This is "All nazi's were evil" all over again.

 

[Darkmantle]

I sided with the storm cloaks, I really never got that racist vibe from them that everyone else seems to get. It honestly feels like either I'm missing something big, or there's just a lot of backlash caused by Bethesda's perceived favouritism of the storm cloaks.

I also really like the "Give me freedom or give me death" thing they have going on, I think it's pretty sweet.

 

[Questalace]

On a more impressive note did you know that you can block with a torch? Then hit then enemy with the torch, which consequently sets them alight?

 

[Sean Hollyman]

I dislike both, but since I'm a Stormtrooper at heart I sided with Empire.

I still kill them all though.

 

[cswurt]

I always thought that the Stormcloaks were incredibly short sighted.
The Thalmor control most of the world at this point, including lands owned by the Empire.
The Empire only agreed to outlaw the worship of Talos to appease the Thalmor in order to maintain some of their sovereignty while they quietly build their strength back up.

What do the Stormcloaks expect will happen once they defeat the Imperials and drive them out of Skyrim? That the Thalmor are just going to let it slide and leave them alone?

They're going to sweep right in and wipe everyone out and claim Skyrim for their own.

 

[Darkmantle]

As I see it in Skyrim you have the stupid side and the Empire. Ulfric sounded charismatic and I'm sure that is what got him more support but if anyone was to step back and look at their plan they would see just how idiotic it was.

The Stormcloaks want to fight the Empire to worship Talos which the Thalmor(who defeated the much larger Imperial army) won't want and therefor would attack the weakened not as well equipped and trained Stormcloaks thereby taking over Skyrim.

see, the problem with that is, Hammerfell managed to drive out the thalmor without the empires help, and if the storm cloaks are indeed stronger than the empire, what's to stop them form being as successful as Hammerfell?

And, as another point, hammerfall and skyrim are right next to each other, they could easily form a defensive pact which would all but doom a thalmor invasion of skyrim.

 

[SajuukKhar]

see, the problem with that is, Hammerfell managed to drive out the thalmor without the empires help, and if the storm cloaks are indeed stronger than the empire, what's to stop them form being as successful as Hammerfell?

And, as another point, hammerfall and skyrim are right next to each other, they could easily form a defensive pact which would all but doom a thalmor invasion of skyrim.

The Redguards "drove them out yes" but could they actually fight the Thalmor in the Thalmor's homelands?

Could they take the fight to Alinor?

Could The beat The Thalmor as a whole?

NOPE

 

[Darkmantle]

see, the problem with that is, Hammerfell managed to drive out the thalmor without the empires help, and if the storm cloaks are indeed stronger than the empire, what's to stop them form being as successful as Hammerfell?

And, as another point, hammerfall and skyrim are right next to each other, they could easily form a defensive pact which would all but doom a thalmor invasion of skyrim.

The Redguards "drove them out yes" but could they actually fight the Thalmor in the Thalmor's homelands?

Could they take the fight to Alinor?

Could The beat The Thalmor as a whole?

NOPE

Not alone, but why not with skyrim's help? and how can you say the empire and it's leaders would do better? the empire lost on the defensive. They couldn't even hold their own lands let alone invade other lands.

The way I see it, the empires chain of command is clearly incompetent if the redguards on their own could win, but not a "unified" empire.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Not alone, but why not with skyrim's help? and how can you say the empire and it's leaders would do better? the empire lost on the defensive. They couldn't even hold their own lands let alone invade other lands.

The way I see it, the empires chain of command is clearly incompetent if the redguards on their own could win, but not a "unified" empire.

The Empire united wasn't be able to take the war to The thalmor's homelands.

You are trying to equate "driving forces out of your lands" as "we can totally smash The thalmor in THEIR lands"

the Reguards "victory" only shows that they barely were able to stalemate the thalmor.

 

[Darkmantle]

Not alone, but why not with skyrim's help? and how can you say the empire and it's leaders would do better? the empire lost on the defensive. They couldn't even hold their own lands let alone invade other lands.

The way I see it, the empires chain of command is clearly incompetent if the redguards on their own could win, but not a "unified" empire.

The Empire united wasn't be able to take the war to The thalmor's homelands.

You are trying to equate "driving forces out of your lands" as "we can totally smash The thalmor in THEIR lands"

the Reguards "victory" only shows that they barely were able to stalemate the thalmor.

are you even listening to what you are saying? You are aware that the empire lost their Capital city to the thalmor right? that's hardly "taking the fight to them" the empire got it's balls rocked in it's own lands!

and what do you mean "the Reguards "victory" only shows that they barely were able to stalemate the thalmor". you say that likes it's a bad thing! the alone did what the "empire" could not. Like I said, it seems to me like the empires generals are just completely incompetent.

 

[Jynthor]

I always thought that the Stormcloaks were incredibly short sighted.
The Thalmor control most of the world at this point, including lands owned by the Empire.
The Empire only agreed to outlaw the worship of Talos to appease the Thalmor in order to maintain some of their sovereignty while they quietly build their strength back up.

What do the Stormcloaks expect will happen once they defeat the Imperials and drive them out of Skyrim? That the Thalmor are just going to let it slide and leave them alone?

They're going to sweep right in and wipe everyone out and claim Skyrim for their own.

Impying the knife-ears could ever best the Nords in any battle!
Yes, you read that in Ulfric's voice.

 

[Kinguendo]

As in reality, just because you are given 2 choices does not mean either will be good... only better or worse than the other.

I always thought that the Stormcloaks were incredibly short sighted.
The Thalmor control most of the world at this point, including lands owned by the Empire.
The Empire only agreed to outlaw the worship of Talos to appease the Thalmor in order to maintain some of their sovereignty while they quietly build their strength back up.

What do the Stormcloaks expect will happen once they defeat the Imperials and drive them out of Skyrim? That the Thalmor are just going to let it slide and leave them alone?

They're going to sweep right in and wipe everyone out and claim Skyrim for their own.

Not the world, the continent of Tamriel. There are other lands the Thalmor would not dare tread, filled with beasts that make the Orcs look like models.