It's About Characters, Stupid

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minderbinder8

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"It's About Characters, Stupid"

Objection, your honor! The old RTS game Homeworld had a great story, and it didn't have a single actual character.
 

Azrael the Cat

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If anyone here wants a limited series DC Comic where they actually DO exactly what Yahtzee is suggesting, get the 'Secret Six: Villains United' series. It starts off being set in the lead-up to Infinite Crisis, where you've got all the camp crappy 70s Batman villains (you know, the ones where all they have is some absurd gimmick, like Umbrella Man who goes around robbing banks with...um...Umbrellas, etc) who don't want to join the bad guys in their 'destroy the world' plan because they're too old for this crap / on parole and don't want to get jailed for missing their curfew checkin / sane enough to realise that they'll get annihilated in a fight between all the villains with actual superpowers vs all the heros with actual superpowers, and so they (a few get killed early, but the 6 end up being Catman - yes, the ultimate 'camp 70s batman villain - Deadshot, Chesire, Ragdoll #2, Scandal, the Fiddler and a random Parademon that's gone AWOL and doesn't know what to do now it doesn't have any orders).

Then they find out that Luthor's collection of supervillains have a policy of killing crappy 70s non-powered villains who turn down their 'invitation' to join, and start shitting themselves until they get a mysterious call from someone called 'Mockingbird' who promises he can keep them safe so long as they do some 'work' for him...

In the process they find out that they're being tracked down by the freaken superheros as well. Not just that, but this bunch of non-powered chumps find out that the 2 characters most intent on tracking them down are none other than the freaken BATMAN on one side and Deathstroke on the other (a major problem as they don't have anyone that can hurt him enough to stop him from just regenerating in a few seconds).

It's an awesome underdog series, with 'victories' like Catman finally getting his dignity back by training until he can fight Batman to a draw while the rest of the team break their captured teammates out of jail. Perhaps not quite an all-out 'villain' series, as the characters range from ones like Catman who acts semi-heroically and respects the non-powered heros like Batman and Green Arrow, but views the superheros as the equivalent of alien invaders imposing whatever 'justice' they feel like upon a helpless population (citing the Dr Light lobotomy as indicative of why he hates them), through to Deadshot who sets the team's rule of 'doesn't matter whether the job is for good or evil - as long as we get paid'.

Again, great idea for a film, particularly because they're limited edition stories so you can kill characters off and build proper character arcs without getting stuck with the 'endless sequels' problem. Would never get made though.
 

Mengkong

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Good article, but there's something lacking...

Indeed, there's something lacking in nearly every extra punctuation entry since it's inception: namely the extra mother-loving punctuation!

When was the last time there was any punctuation around this place?!?

No ~tildes~? No em dashes--or rather, hardly any? Not even a single interrobang‽

How about let's title this content a bit more realistically: boring, bland, monkey-see-monkey-do punctuation.
 

TheHardcase

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Completely disagree about DC vs. Marvel villains... DC often has villains based purely around elements. Like Flash's rogues. You basically have Batman's villains.. Superman's villains, other than Lex, are pretty meh. Darkseid is not as complex as Thanos. Thanos is simultaneously tragic and childish, trying to impress his girlfriend by flexing his big muscles. Darkseid is just evil incarnate, and I've never really read anything that explained his motives beyond him being the evil side of the new gods.

The greatest conflicts in Marvel, though, are between the heroes. Civil War was so amazing because -- aside from Mark Millar's brilliance -- there's always been tension between Marvel's characters.

For the record, Moon Knight is infinitely more interesting than Batman, and Bushman is EXACTLY the kind of villain you're referring to -- he's the brutally efficient killer that Spector adamantly denies being. There you go. Bushman isn't even the best Marvel villain.

Also, lots of Marvel villains aren't simply representative of the inverse of their hero, because a lot of villains have become distinct characters. Zemo is as complex as any hero, because he's been a protagonist.

You say Batman isn't interesting without his villains. I counter that his villains aren't interesting without him. That's why all the big events involve either a new villain (Anti-Monitor, the Black Lantern Corps) or a Superman villain (because a non-Superman villain is just going to LOSE TO SUPERMAN). Joker isn't just insignificant in large events because of his individualism and chaotic nature, but because he ONLY works as a character when put opposite Batman.

Also, you say that character-based stories suit DC more, but I'm not sure that's true. There are only a few characters in DC that I would like to see good character-driven movies from, and one of them is being accomplished by the show Arrow. John Constantine would actually probably be really good in a character-driven series.
 

Aitamen

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As far as Marvel goes, I love the route they took with Iron Man 3 in Stark being broken by the events in The Avengers. As a multi-part story, I really like what they're doing with it... small stories leading up to bigger stories...

I'd love Legion of Doom, or Legion of Doom vs. The Avengers (Fuck, let both sides do what they do best).