It's About Characters, Stupid

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While it is a lovely idea watching a Legion of Doom movie, I have very low expectations of any non-Batman movie put out by DC...

I do agree with Moviebob that a Captain Marvel (or 'Shazam') would be epic to watch.
 

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The DC heroes exception that proves the rule...why Doom Patrol of course.

Still, I've always secretly hoped for a Suicide Squad movie...the good '80's Suicide Squad that is, not the new debacle.
 

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Just some random thoughts, but I wondering if the more 'boring' nature of the iconic DC hero's has more to do with being stuck with decades older origin stories. Doing some quick wiki lookups, it seems like the DC cast were all created between 1930-40, while the Marvel cast came around in the 60's. In video game terms there's enough time between the start of Superman and Spiderman to go from the Mario Bros to Commander Shepherd.
 

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I see Yahtzee read my opinion on Lex Luthor. Yes, we definitely need a movie for him. TBH I don't even care about the other villians. Batman villians change so drastically with each adaptation, that I can barely call them by their names. I liked Bane's backstory. Not TDKR Bane, but maksed wrestler on Venom Bane. However, they will never make a movie about the villian when the audience usually doen't know of their existence without the hero. It's just like Transformers. In our niche, here on the internet, it may seem like everyone knows this stuff and it would totally sell well. Not true. Without "Superman" somewhere in the title (or common title, i.e. Man of Steel) the VAST majority won't know it takes place in the same universe. And then once they find out, they will complain why Superman wasn't in it at all/enough (pretty likely chance of that is you saw TDKR reviews).

Actually, how did that all work in Smallville? I never saw a single episode, but it sounds like the kind of thing that would have hours worth of Luthor talking to himself in order to give off more exposition.
 

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Yahtzee Croshaw said:
It's About Characters, Stupid

Raising the stakes through ludicrous plot points is a great way to kill a franchise.

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it can't get much bigger then the 'alien invasion' for the avengers?

lol, poor, miss-informed Yahzee.

i have three words for you

The
Infinity
Gauntlet

:3 you have absolutely no idea just how high the bar can yet be raised
 
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gardian06 said:
in most mediums it's not so much what the person does it's more what we know about the character before they do it. take like the punisher movie for example and just start the movie from the point where he starts hunting down the "bad" people
he is a supervillain running around causing collateral damage in an attempt to kill/maim/harm a few people
or most other "vigilantly" superheros take away their back stories and what you have is no real different then the villains they fight.
I think this is a point which Yahtzee in his infinite wisdom saw not to raise (or for whatever reason just left it out) but one which is definitely relevant. I know it's not really how they did it in your example of the Punisher (apologies if that's wrong, I haven't seen it in quite some time) but another reason the writers feel the need to include some huge, universe-threatening crisis is because only that can justify the hero's actions, looked at from that critical perspective. They think to themselves "right, we want a hero, but we know that in the age of cynicism we can't get away with 'super grand awesome mr perfect' but also we'll be damned if we put in the effort to actually give our hero a proper character arc with him overcoming his own personal struggles and facing issues that he would believably have to face. So instead we'll give him a few offscreen implied civilian casualties, and then justify that by making the enemy the great universe-eating monsters of darkness".

Ok, maybe that's a little excessive; there are things like the Toby Maguire Spiderman movies (please don't hurt me, I'm just trying to make a point) where, whether or not you think they did a good job, it does seem pretty clear to me that they were making an effort to give him personal challenges to overcome, but for every case of making that effort, there's ten where they simply toss any but the most token character development out the window and replace it with 'offscreen implied civilian casualties yadda yadda yadda'.

I guess what I'm trying to say is good point, well made
 

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Meanwhile, a PG-13 rated superhero movie can level city blocks and tear apart office towers in the middle of the working day, implying thousands of people are killed and maimed, but never really show it. Yeah, the Avengers had some dirty-looking people telling the news about it afterwards, but you didn't see anybody screaming "OH MY GOD I JUST WENT OUT TO GET COFFEE FOR THE OFFICE AND ALL MY COWORKERS WERE CRUSHED TO DEATH BY A METAL SPACE DRAGON!"
You know, I had an estimated death counter in my mind while watching Avengers for a second time. There has to be a minimum of 700 civilian deaths during the final New York battle sequence (30-50 from the one of the onscreen collapsing buildings, over 120 who got hit on the streets, countless more in the office buildings hit by the leviathans and Chitauri)
 

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Generalizing superheroes now?

You've had your fair share of dethroning moments of suck, Yahtzee, but I never thought you'd go and piss on something so objectively kickass as Justice League.
 

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Cid SilverWing said:
Generalizing superheroes now?

You've had your fair share of dethroning moments of suck, Yahtzee, but I never thought you'd go and piss on something so objectively kickass as Justice League.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

OT: Generally prefer Marvel over DC for that exact reason - the people the stories are about are more fleshed out than the side characters.
 

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A suicide squad movie would be pretty interesting ... mind you they already screwed up Waller in that green lantern WTF
 

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Lunar Templar said:
Yahtzee Croshaw said:
It's About Characters, Stupid

Raising the stakes through ludicrous plot points is a great way to kill a franchise.

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it can't get much bigger then the 'alien invasion' for the avengers?

lol, poor, miss-informed Yahzee.

i have three words for you

The
Infinity
Gauntlet

:3 you have absolutely no idea just how high the bar can yet be raised
Not to mention the fact that Joss Whedon has said that they won't raise the stakes in the traditional sense for Avengers 2. It's supposed to be smaller scale and more personal than the first film.
 

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MrFalconfly said:
Lunar Templar said:
Yahtzee Croshaw said:
It's About Characters, Stupid

Raising the stakes through ludicrous plot points is a great way to kill a franchise.

Read Full Article
it can't get much bigger then the 'alien invasion' for the avengers?

lol, poor, miss-informed Yahzee.

i have three words for you

The
Infinity
Gauntlet

:3 you have absolutely no idea just how high the bar can yet be raised
Not to mention the fact that Joss Whedon has said that they won't raise the stakes in the traditional sense for Avengers 2. It's supposed to be smaller scale and more personal than the first film.
Blast, double-ninja'd... Another word, though: Thanos.
Also, I really respect Whedon for not wanting to just use the stuff that has already worked.
 

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Yahtzee, why do you have to give us these ridiculously nice ideas that are so unlikely to see the light of day? Why? I want that Legion of Doom series now; and unfortunately something tells me that it's just not exactly what DC are likely to do... Oh well. We'll figure something out, I guess.
 

Grahav

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Focused on the characters?

Maybe a game where Jill is recruited to a government special ops due the fact she was the only one left with super powers after RE 5. She is sent to Colombia to deal with the FARCS (or mexican Drug Lords, or anything like that). At the same time she has to deal with heavy PTSD from her time with Wesker (she dyes her hair brown, since it has never returned to normal). In the mission she comes across a new kind of drug, that would lead the users to a massive psychotic spree in a year or two after its consumption (like an intelligent crimson head). This "improved" cocaine is to be sent to rich countries as a latent terrorist attack.
 

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Credossuck said:
For example when he got stranded in earths far future, udne a red sun with only vandal savage giving him company...
Haha, that's funny, I saw that episode like 2 hours ago. But yeah, it was a good one. The Justice League animated series annoys me though, because their powers are so insanely variable. Such as Flash, one episode he moves at the speed of light (Sinistro actually says "My beams are as fast as you, the speed of light!") while in another he seems to struggle to catch up with a large van... And Superman.. He keeps getting knocked out by much weaker foes, and seems to be hurt by normal bullets and lasers. Isn't he supposed to be completely invulnerable to such things under a yellow sun? Can anyone explain to me why this is?

Anyway, I'd like to see a sort of aftermath movie, with the hero having finally defeated his nemesis somehow, and how they cope with life afterwards. Just thought about it listening to Gav's Joker's Song just now, with the line "You're the Yin to my Yang" which I thought was right, so what would he do if he actually managed his mission of cleaning up Gotham? Just my 2 cents.
 

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He's Right DCs villains outshine their hero to the point that's not even funny, and Marvel villains are like DC hero's, stale, bland and no personality. In fact any villain that has a personality usually ends up becoming a hero in the Marvel U.
 

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RobfromtheGulag said:
have Batman show up at the very end of each one to punch them all in the stomach 'cause he's an empty-headed violent fascist.

Ah, pure comedy gold!

Having just beaten Arkham Asylum, what does Killer Croc symbolise? I wasn't even aware there was a 'Killer Croc' villain until I played the game.
It symbolizes that not all villains symbolize anything or, consequently, that someone can make a point about anything symbolizing something at one point or another. I mean, we like to have our comic book mythology deep and neat, but have we forgotten that the Batman roster includes this?
And this?
And this?
However, I agree that the DC villains are generally more interesting than the ones in Marvel, and more than its hero nemesis; although as people have said the chances of making them more interesting depends on the writer.

And, do we all agree that DC trying to out-Marvel Marvel with their Justice League movie is, in general, a bad move?