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I believe it.
Given how utterly corrupted the upper class has become I don't doubt it, but I do have to wonder why they want it. People being destitute means they can't buy the stuff made by the rich folk's companies.
 
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The DLSS5 or whatever its called has an AI filter, and it is terrible.
All DLSS is an AI filter (it literally stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling). DLSS5 just has a much more aggressive and comprehensive sort of one as an option that folks have decided is extremely offensive.
 

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All DLSS is an AI filter (it literally stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling). DLSS5 just has a much more aggressive and comprehensive sort of one as an option that folks have decided is extremely offensive.
Which is a waste of time and resources, and should not be needed in the first place. This is what all these tech companies bought up the cpu/GPU for? Burned in hell you bitches.
 

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All DLSS is an AI filter (it literally stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling). DLSS5 just has a much more aggressive and comprehensive sort of one as an option that folks have decided is extremely offensive.
From an article I read, there appear to be two issues. Firstly, complaints it was sold for its improvement in lighting effects, but seems to do considerably more.

Secondly, that because of the way it predicts information to enhance output, it's likely to cause substantial distortions, and I'll try to explain as I understood it. If you have a model and you put it under different conditions (like your own eyesight would see), it the appearance of the model would change depending on those conditions - but the base model would always be consistent.

However, DLSS 5 does not understand there is base model that should be consistent, and makes its prediction based on the model and the conditions combined. Changes in colour, lighting, motion may cause significant errors. So for instance take a face that is normally smooth for a 20-year-old. However, under a certain lighting DLSS 5 misterprets the effect as wrinkles... so it adds actual wrinkles to the face. It simply does not understand that there is a base model that should not have wrinkles.
 

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So much for a free market. Ain't ain't that right Trump suckers?

Don't worry, I'm sure that some companies will be allowed to pay a "consulting fee" to some Trump subsidiary to get approved to sell in the US.

Because Trump is a criminal who is crafting government policy to enrich himself.
 
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Don't worry, I'm sure that some companies will be allowed to pay a "consulting fee" to some Trump subsidiary to get approved to sell in the US.

Because Trump is a criminal who is crafting government policy to enrich himself.
I read the article and indeed a manufacturer can submit their device(s) for FCC approval. What that process entails, I am unsure. I suspect something like someone from NIST and the NSA taking the firmware apart line by line.
 

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Don't worry, I'm sure that some companies will be allowed to pay a "consulting fee" to some Trump subsidiary to get approved to sell in the US.

Because Trump is a criminal who is crafting government policy to enrich himself.
I'm certain this is how it will work for anyone who gets through approval with any kind of speed, but there is an approval pathway for those unwilling to pay into the grift, it involves DOD and DHS examining it for cyberattack flaws and clearing it for approval. Which of course just means you produce one sample of routers that doesn't have whatever backdoor, get it approved and then the ones hitting the consumer base can be flashed with the firmware with the backdoor rendering the whole premise pointless anyways.

Which is a waste of time and resources, and should not be needed in the first place. This is what all these tech companies bought up the cpu/GPU for? Burned in hell you bitches.
Yeah, yeah, AI bad, gotcha. Didn't hear you complaining about any previous version of DLSS even though they're all AI upscaling, DLSS5 is just more...aggressive about it. Agema is dead on though - it doesn't understand that something is supposed to be a coherent model it just takes scene data and tries to scale it up inventing details as it expects them based on that frame and the preceding few for context. It's a tool and it'll end up being used to great effect by some and avoided by others depending on the intended goal. Applying it to random existing models and scenes has striking but not exactly great results because they weren't created for it. Someone needs to load up some older games and force on DLSS5 for a laugh.
 

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Yeah, yeah, AI bad, gotcha. Didn't hear you complaining about any previous version of DLSS even though they're all AI upscaling, DLSS5 is just more...aggressive about it.
Well ok, but DLSS5 is also looking like it will be much more widely utilised. The number of games using DLSS "upscaling" more than doubled in the last ~6 months. It makes sense that objections will get louder as the problem becomes more widespread and more egregious.
 

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Yeah, yeah, AI bad, gotcha. Didn't hear you complaining about any previous version of DLSS even though they're all AI upscaling,
I never kept up with those to begin with. The only thing I knew about was the raytracing for some of them back in 2021. I'm not a p c parts heavy guy for the record. I stand by what I said and they can all fuck off.
 

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Well ok, but DLSS5 is also looking like it will be much more widely utilised. The number of games using DLSS "upscaling" more than doubled in the last ~6 months. It makes sense that objections will get louder as the problem becomes more widespread and more egregious.
Game makers take advantage of advanced GPU technology for their game. News at 11.
 
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Game makers take advantage of advanced GPU technology for their game. News at 11.
Don't think many people have an issue with utilising advanced GPU tech. Its the use of machine-"learning" to flatten creativity.
 

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So don't turn the function on.
I'd rather it not be there to begin with.

Its similar to how whenever my last phone updated, it auto-installed a host of applications i don't want. Sure, i can uninstall them every time. But its a pain in the ass and a bloody cheek, and if i forget one time it'll be slowing me down in the background.

And even if i don't use it, its part of a broader trend that unavoidably, negatively impacts me. Machine-"learning" shreds the environment and pushes costs up.
 

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I'd rather it not be there to begin with.

Its similar to how whenever my last phone updated, it auto-installed a host of applications i don't want. Sure, i can uninstall them every time. But its a pain in the ass and a bloody cheek, and if i forget one time it'll be slowing me down in the background.

And even if i don't use it, its part of a broader trend that unavoidably, negatively impacts me. Machine-"learning" shreds the environment and pushes costs up.
I get people clowning on it, the opening demo there wasn't exactly something that blew people's pants off. But what I don't get is why everyone now gives a shit. On revision 5 of the function. And the previous four versions have been rather popular. And since the function is built into the GPU, using it isn't like its revving up a data centre somewhere and it has to be engaged by the settings on a game by game basis. Unless you use the nVidia App's global settings like a weirdo.
 
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I get people clowning on it, the opening demo there wasn't exactly something that blew people's pants off. But what I don't get is why everyone now gives a shit. On revision 5 of the function. And the previous four versions have been rather popular. And since the function is built into the GPU, using it isn't like its revving up a data centre somewhere and it has to be engaged by the settings on a game by game basis. Unless you use the nVidia App's global settings like a weirdo.
Was never needed in the first place and the waste of resources.
So don't turn the function on.
Don't be too surprised when they eventually start forcing people to use it or say it's required.
 

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I get people clowning on it, the opening demo there wasn't exactly something that blew people's pants off. But what I don't get is why everyone now gives a shit. On revision 5 of the function.
There are two reasons for this. Firstly, the visual changes made by DLSS5 are noticably more prominent and uncanny than DLSS4. And secondly, there's a wider sense of fatigue about shitty, intrusive "AI". So sure, some iterations may be purely optional, but its all so goddamn ubiquitous and forced, so that when we see the 10,000th creatively-bereft face, there's a reflexive groan and eye-roll.
 
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There is also the development side of things. There are already games out there build with the assumption that DLSS will be turned on and companies already develop with the goal that the result will look spmewhat passable after the glow up. It becomes not an improvement but another reason to cut corners and deliver subpar products.
 
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