It's only sexist when Men do it?
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Words of wisdom, words of wisdom.GideonB said:
Really!?Kuroneko97 said:
That seems... well... shit.
Egalitarian?KoalaKid said:
Haven't heard of that.
And yeah, it is really annoying having to go through these psoting adverts.
There even trying to make me describe brands!!!
I say we all chip in and buy him a hooker. And not the rude kind with the hidden scars who try to scam you and then rush you, but the really sweet kind, like Julia Roberts.
America is vast and the territories are really pretty different, maybe things are decent where you're living, but there's definitely racism and sexism still apparent in modern times. The "it's so easy a woman can do it" adverts were commonlace as little as 50 years ago, and some states were finding ways to deny black people the vote until...64?KaiusCormere said:
We have pretty radically switched to shunning people who are openly racist/sexist, but that doesn't mean it's gone, it just has to be more covert, more subtle.
It's not just federal and workplace politics that I'm thinking of, those things aren't terribly important to me in general. Just in my day to day life, it's pretty rare that anyone is condescending towards me, nobody is afraid of me on sight and complete strangers generally trust me automatically. I'm fairly certain that this isn't enjoyed by everyone.
Very interesting, but does that mean it applies to the nazis?KoalaKid said:
Just wondering.
And nice to see this thread is still going.
Gonna keep on pushing this!
There's a LOT of double standards going around.
A guy at dad's work place (fishing boat, male dominated arena), got charged with harrasment, because the one woman on the boat (who was there to inspect that everything was going on according to regulations) did not like that he didn't greet her. When she came aboard, he didn't have time to say hello "properly". He was working, she came in, he said hi. And that was it. She meant that this greeting proved that he didn't want her there and that it was a hostile environment.
What she would have wanted him to do was, appearantly, stop working, turn around, shake her hand, have a long chat, follow her around while someone else was already giving her the tour of the boat (and it's not that big to begin with!).
He didn't have time for that, they were going to spend a lot of time together on a little boat anyway, why not talk when they both had the opportunity? I can't say I've met a man in that business getting all worked up about not getting a handshake...
A guy at dad's work place (fishing boat, male dominated arena), got charged with harrasment, because the one woman on the boat (who was there to inspect that everything was going on according to regulations) did not like that he didn't greet her. When she came aboard, he didn't have time to say hello "properly". He was working, she came in, he said hi. And that was it. She meant that this greeting proved that he didn't want her there and that it was a hostile environment.
What she would have wanted him to do was, appearantly, stop working, turn around, shake her hand, have a long chat, follow her around while someone else was already giving her the tour of the boat (and it's not that big to begin with!).
He didn't have time for that, they were going to spend a lot of time together on a little boat anyway, why not talk when they both had the opportunity? I can't say I've met a man in that business getting all worked up about not getting a handshake...
Sizzle Montyjing said:
Good question. Yes is does apply to Nazis. For example, If a egalitarian judge was sentencing members of the Nazi party for war crimes he would treat them no better or worse than any other group that had committed similar crimes. So you see that believing in equality and treating people fairly does not equate to agreeing with their ideology or even liking them.
I dont belive the "ohhh us white men are opressed!" crap
HOWEVER I think it is rather disturbing they laughed at some poor guy getting horribly mutilated like that, especially when theres no evidence to sugest he "deserved" it, perhaps from their perspective they assumed he did somthing horrible enough to "deserve" it....but its still disturbing eather way and I certainly would not be laughing
HOWEVER I think it is rather disturbing they laughed at some poor guy getting horribly mutilated like that, especially when theres no evidence to sugest he "deserved" it, perhaps from their perspective they assumed he did somthing horrible enough to "deserve" it....but its still disturbing eather way and I certainly would not be laughing
unfortunatley people on both sides tend to take up the defensive (rather agressivly), to the detriment of both causesPsycho-Toaster said:
Any thing I felt like saying in this thread has already been covered by others.
But I gotta say, this thread got me into The Amazing Athiest. Holy shit he's gold! I've watched some of his other videos and just subscribed, which I rarely do.
But I gotta say, this thread got me into The Amazing Athiest. Holy shit he's gold! I've watched some of his other videos and just subscribed, which I rarely do.
Glad this thread is doing so well. 
Well thank you escapists.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE!
That is awsome!!!Nasrin said:In response to the guy in the video...
Well thank you escapists.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE!
Not that you don't have a point with the ones I left out, but I felt a need to address a few of these.MzRie said:
A majority of investment bankers who benefit from those tax policies are white males yes, however a vast majority of white males are not in that position and do not benefit from it, it's incredibly dumb to say "well, most of those really rich guys are white males, therefore it's justified to act against dirt poor white males!"
The prison issue rubs multiple ways, if you're talking about whites versus minorities, you're generally right than the white guy is going to be better off, but if you're talking about men versus women, well, juries are notably more likely to rule in favor of a woman than a man, and when they do convict a woman, they tend to get lighter sentences than a man committing a similar crime. Also, in civil disputes between a man and a woman, the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the woman.
I don't know shit about mortgages, but I wanted to note on a similar issue, when I became the primary driver of one of my family's cars once my older sister moved out, the rate on the insurance went up for no other reason than a teenage male being the driver instead of a female, this despite the fact that my sister had totaled a previous car.
You mention educational segregation, I'll point to the many colleges and universities that are required to place a certain number of minorities above white men in their acceptances, not to mention the myriad scholarships available on the sole basis of what gender or skin color you are, unless you're a white male in which case such a scholarship would be considered an outrage.
As for congress, I'll point to what I said about the investment bankers, and even though a lot of these politicians use racially charged language to get votes, I've never heard of any law being passed in recent years that specifically benefits poor and/or middle class white folk, whites being in positions of power doesn't mean that all whites benefit from it.
I also want to say that when I see the "well, women were oppressed for hundreds and hundreds of years," my immediate thought is "Gee, you know, I wish I had been living hundreds of years ago then, so I could benefit from that fact instead of being condemned because of the people in the past."
Like my arguments with Racism and discrimination, I have long come to believe we are held to a very dangerous double standard. We are so busy trying to defend the rights of the once repressed we are beginning to repress the once repressie.
THIS IS NOT OK AND NEVER WILL BE! Flipping our previous state on its head is NOT equality! It is just as discriminatory as it used to be and in the same way just with different victims. Ive had plenty of uncomfortable moments where 1 lass in a group of like 6 has grabbed my ass in the middle of the street making me uncomfortable, I dont bellow out sexism, sometimes, shit just happens. I didn't ask for there attention, that does not mean I should read their act as trying to belittle me.
THIS IS NOT OK AND NEVER WILL BE! Flipping our previous state on its head is NOT equality! It is just as discriminatory as it used to be and in the same way just with different victims. Ive had plenty of uncomfortable moments where 1 lass in a group of like 6 has grabbed my ass in the middle of the street making me uncomfortable, I dont bellow out sexism, sometimes, shit just happens. I didn't ask for there attention, that does not mean I should read their act as trying to belittle me.
So....we all have the right to kneel? We are all equal in the eyes of Zod?theevilgenius60 said:
Sorry, couldn't resist.
OT: SEXISM R BAD. At all times, in all forms, from any side. That's pretty much the whole discussion as far as I'm concerned.
Look... There are going to be times when someone who considers themselves a feminist and someone who does not bump heads.
To the Feminists: Just because he/she disagrees with you on this one issue doesn't make him/her a misogynist/gender traitor. Taking up a morally superior attitude or getting aggressive will only push them further away. It makes you look bad and breeds needless resentment based on gender or ideology.
To the Contrarians: I know some feminists can seem hypocritical or pushy a lot. That doesn't mean they're necessarily like that, or that feminism is less valuable as an idea. It just means people are freaking hypocrites.
The fact is, when we're all happy and agreeing on everything is when the human population is reduced to one guy with a particularly agreeable case of multiple-personality disorder.
Just... throwing that out there.
More on topic, The Amazing Atheist kicks ass. I love his unerringly pro-liberty stance, his openly feckless demeanor and his willingness to make an ass of himself for the entertainment of himself and others. This video I agree with as much as most others.
To the Feminists: Just because he/she disagrees with you on this one issue doesn't make him/her a misogynist/gender traitor. Taking up a morally superior attitude or getting aggressive will only push them further away. It makes you look bad and breeds needless resentment based on gender or ideology.
To the Contrarians: I know some feminists can seem hypocritical or pushy a lot. That doesn't mean they're necessarily like that, or that feminism is less valuable as an idea. It just means people are freaking hypocrites.
The fact is, when we're all happy and agreeing on everything is when the human population is reduced to one guy with a particularly agreeable case of multiple-personality disorder.
Just... throwing that out there.
More on topic, The Amazing Atheist kicks ass. I love his unerringly pro-liberty stance, his openly feckless demeanor and his willingness to make an ass of himself for the entertainment of himself and others. This video I agree with as much as most others.
I get what he's saying but he comes across as very angry/agressive and confrontational...it makes uncomfortable and even if I were to agree like he doesnt "want" me to agree because "I'm the enemy"Sizzle Montyjing said:
just me though
EDIT: DAMMIT WHO NECRO'D THE THREAD!?