It's only sexist when men do it.

[SL33TBL1ND]

I love how this gets posted every week or so.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Oh good fucking God, not this thread again. Literally same title and same video. Yes, double standards are bad, but you're overlooking the many that work against females over this particular one that favours them. The Amazing Atheist also seriously needs someone to school him on Feminism so he can learn that it is a movement comprised of a fluctuating range of individuals with their own morals and beliefs all united under the single cause of bringing gender equality to fruition. It has nothing to do with vapid Daytime Televison hosts and is not to be mistaken for the vociferous minority of misandrists who are hijacking the movement to push their own deluded, prejuidiced dogma. Now can we please, as a collective gender, stop our myopic, jejune bitching?

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I remember that vid. That show where those women were laughing about it really irked me. I'm all for women taking a prominent role in society and I know there are literally centuries worth of atrocities my side of the fence has committed to women along our way through the world together; but I don't think cutting off a penis should be more acceptable than mutilating a vagina.

 

[Xanadu84]

Realistically, if you have a married couple, and one of them does something that is deserving of getting their genitalia cut off...Well lets take a random sampling of situations where this happens. Anyone who is absolutely on this guys side about what a horrible double standard this is, I will bet you even odds every time that it was the guy who did the evil deed first. Thats what I call easy money.

Is senseless violence against a man just as horrific as against a woman? Absolutely. And yes, the women on this show are going a bit too far in not even questioning who is in the right here. But come on, I think its pretty apparent that in a given, random domestic dispute, the person who is the victimized party who would have a right to do some cutting is usually gonna be the woman, and the women on this show reacted accordingly.

The reason why we would react so much worse to a story of a man mutilating a woman is because both instinct and experience say to us that the man is probably throwing his weight around, not reacting to a threat, whereas there are many more situations where the woman is a victim who has snapped. And when reacting viscerally to something as horrible as domestic violence, well, we tend to go with the factual, not the ideal.

 

[JediMB]

I don't like the generalizations of feminism, what with how I'm a male feminist myself, but I agree with him how screwed up a lot of people's views on sexism are.

The fact that there exist people who refer to sexism against men as "reverse sexism" is just headache-inducing.

And that a jury doesn't realize that killing someone rather than getting him convicted in court isn't justifiable... ugh... they don't even know what function they're supposed to be serving at that very moment.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Am I frustrated about how society turns a blind eye to, sometimes even actively endorsing, real and horrific cases of violence against men by women?

As a woman, I agree. I kicked a guy into the hospital once. The injury wasn't serious though: He only went into a shock because of the fact that he felt pain in his back. Everybody praised me, and said I should have gone further even. Especially the fact that everybody suggested I've should gone further, while they also say that he shouldn't even try to touch me, disgusts me. I'm at least as guilty as he is, properly even more so.

I am tempted to ask what he was doing that made you kick him? Certainly if he deserved it I wouldn't feel sorry for him, although them saying that you should have gone further, when what little you did was already enough to incapacitate him, even put him in hospital, I think is a little too much.

So what actions could a female take that would make a man doing the exact same thing to her as ElektroNeko did to her victim justified? Do you hold women to the same standards for retaliation as men?

Kudos on admitting your role ElektroNeko.
As a victim of an abusive ex-fiance I know all too well the biases and sexism still inherent in our society.

I'm sorry, it's probably my fault as it's quite late where I am right now and I am very tired, but I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. Are you asking me if the roles were reversed, would I advocate using force against a woman in self-defense, even if that ended up putting them in hospital? Well, so long as it genuinely was in self-defense, then yes I would.

I normally try my hardest to be a gentlemen, not because I think women are all vulnerable flowers that need a delicate touch, I just think it's a nice thing to do. However, if, say for example, a woman came at me with a knife, then I certainly wouldn't flinch at doing whatever I had to do to protect myself.

 

[rangerman351]

Listen, there are some people you just can't win with -cough*empowerdwomen*cough-. On the same day, I got yelled at by two (pardon my language) cunts because I held a door for them when they had their arms full with groceries, so I left and closed the door on their faces. Later, I didn't hold a door and got called a "fag who won't be laid" (again pardon my language please mods, please)

 

[JayDub147]

Poorly researched and very poorly articulated.

"If this were to happen to a woman would we be laughing about it"

No we wouldn't, but we're also not talking about it - millions of girls the world over have their clitoris and labia removed when they reach puberty. But it's ok, in happens in the third world so we don't talk about it, just like most of the crap that goes on there. It's called "Female genital mutilation", look it up people, it's horrific.

Yelling into a video camera is not a good way of conveying your argument, it detracts from your sentiment and makes you seem less intelligent, that you have to resort to angry frustration because you're incapable of putting your ideas across in a reasoned form.

Defining a bunch of retards as feminists is also quite the strawman tactic not to mention polarizing issues as black and white when reality is somewhere in the grey middle.

It also manages to completely ignore the elephant in the room, that women have been oppressed for millennia, subjugated as second class citizens instead of being treated as equals, you can't ignore that history and whilst it doesn't excuse behaviour it does put it in a better perspective.

Ignoring issues that count against your opinion don't strengthen your argument, if you could address them, you might not be able to fully excuse them but you could remove some of there weight, then your argument appears more rounded and is stronger for it.

He comes across as little more than a screaming manchild who's only thoughts about the topic have spewed forth from his cake-hole as soon as the camera started rolling, no preparation, no analysis, just vitriol bile. Thereby carrying no weight.

As for the topic, I try not to pigeon hole people. We're all folk; creed, colour, religion, sexuality doesn't denote who your are - it can play a part, maybe even a strong part, but I try not judge.

The big played by my band today was organised by a fairly obvious transsexual and as such there were a fair few tasteless jokes going around which I tried to duck out of. These differences exist, as much as we wish they didn't and some of us try not to allow them to dictate the way we think and react we have already lost, as we're already thinking about how we think and react.

I guess what I'm saying is yes it happens, try not to be the one who does or at least try not to be a douche about it.

When it boils down to it, women have been getting the short-end of the stick (no pun intended) for a long time (also not a pun) so how about we cut them some slack if a few of the poorer representations of our society make a bad joke? Afterall your don't see Dawn French taking to her webcam railing against the blatant sexism on Sickipedia which objectifies women on a daily (hourly?) bases in a far worse fashion than some obscure US TV show which a much lower viewing figure..

I think his point was that this is not an isolated reaction, but a general prejudice held either consciously or subconsciously by a great many people. While I would agree that most feminists are not this variety, I would say that it is true that violence against men is viewed less negatively than violence against women. Additionally, the fact that women had it very rough in the past does not excuse a lopsided view in the present. We should be striving for a rational understanding that takes everything objectively into account; shifting the prejudice in the opposite direction solves nothing.

Also, the reason nobody talks about the female mutilation isn't because it's happening to women; it's because it's happening to poor people from other countries.

 

[infinity_turtles]

No we wouldn't, but we're also not talking about it - millions of girls the world over have their clitoris and labia removed when they reach puberty. But it's ok, in happens in the third world so we don't talk about it, just like most of the crap that goes on there. It's called "Female genital mutilation", look it up people, it's horrific.

We don't talk about most of the issues in third world countries. This isn't exclusive to women's rights. The issue here is that, something we would openly condemn if it happened in this country to women got laughed at on cable television.

Yelling into a video camera is not a good way of conveying your argument, it detracts from your sentiment and makes you seem less intelligent, that you have to resort to angry frustration because you're incapable of putting your ideas across in a reasoned form.

Even if he made his point calmly, it wouldn't end up on the news or anything. By making an impassioned argument, it's more likely to cause more arguments, and letting it spread farther.

Defining a bunch of retards as feminists is also quite the strawman tactic not to mention polarizing issues as black and white when reality is somewhere in the grey middle.

Poorly researched. The woman in that video is an important person in politically motivated feminist organizations here in the US, which many people don't seem to realize. The leaders of the largest and most prominent feminist organizations that lobby for women's laws here tend towards extremism.

It also manages to completely ignore the elephant in the room, that women have been oppressed for millennia, subjugated as second class citizens instead of being treated as equals, you can't ignore that history and whilst it doesn't excuse behaviour it does put it in a better perspective.

Not really. The perspective it put it in is that the wave of female empowerment is continuing despite being at least, if not more then equal in the eyes of the law.

Ignoring issues that count against your opinion don't strengthen your argument, if you could address them, you might not be able to fully excuse them but you could remove some of there weight, then your argument appears more rounded and is stronger for it.

I fail to see how the treatment of someone in history has any bearing on this case. Now, if it was a racial issue, there might be some point due to others having a better inheritance and family position due to previous mistreatment. With a matter of sex, there's no excuse for making up for past generations by uplifting a certain side of current ones and condemning their opposite.

As for the topic, I try not to pigeon hole people. We're all folk; creed, colour, religion, sexuality doesn't denote who your are - it can play a part, maybe even a strong part, but I try not judge.

Except for the history others that share those qualities have gone through. That you seem to take into account heavily, rather then the present.

The big played by my band today was organised by a fairly obvious transsexual and as such there were a fair few tasteless jokes going around which I tried to duck out of. These differences exist, as much as we wish they didn't and some of us try not to allow them to dictate the way we think and react we have already lost, as we're already thinking about how we think and react.

I guess what I'm saying is yes it happens, try not to be the one who does or at least try not to be a douche about it.

I'm not seeing the relevance in you not being an ass to someone you don't know

When it boils down to it, women have been getting the short-end of the stick (no pun intended) for a long time (also not a pun) so how about we cut them some slack if a few of the poorer representations of our society make a bad joke? Afterall your don't see Dawn French taking to her webcam railing against the blatant sexism on Sickipedia which objectifies women on a daily (hourly?) bases in a far worse fashion than some obscure US TV show which a much lower viewing figure..

The View? Obscure? It's one of the most watched daytime television shows in America. Comparing one of the most watched daytime talkshows to a website who admits it's content is sick in it's own damn name is not a healthy comparison. Attempting to make up for past generations mistakes by elevating someone who had nothing to do with it at the sake of those who also had nothing to do with it is also horrible. And again, one of these "poorer representations" is politically influential feminist. And let's not forget it wasn't just her, but the whole crowd was laughing at this.

 

[Andronicus]

Need I say more?

 

[vento 231]

He's right, and when other people say things like "Woman have been oppressed for hundreds of years so it's okay for them to have priveledges that others don't" it doesn't make sense to me, because they wanted equal rights, not to be entitled to say things that would have triggered a riot if the reverse happened where a a male talk show host commented on a woman being disfigured and said that that is just promoting "man power". To me that's above equality, at least in that department. I'm not saying woman aren't discriminated against, just that we should work to end all inequalities, not just for the people who have it worse.

 

[Eggsnham]

-snip-

Personally as a gamer, girl and feminist, these topics just make me feel unwelcome in my own community.

You're only unwelcome if you chop off a guy's penis.

Or if you agree that more chopping of penis should happen.

Otherwise, you're quite welcome in your own community.

A little more on topic; I don't like that these double standards exist between genders, but I, like most humans, don't give a enough of a fuck to do something until it effects me.

At the risk of pissing someone off, I'd like to get something else off my mind.

Most people who focus on women's empowerment like to bring up the fact that women make less money than men on average. This is true, but not because any given woman's boss is a douchebag, it's because women have a lot more reason to take time off work than men.

For instance, pregnancy and taking care of children.

Bob and Jane are a couple and make the exact same salary of $50,000 a year. However, Jane becomes pregnant and takes 2 and half years off to take care of their child. Jane is now $125,000 behind Bob. If she chooses to stay home longer, then she statistically will make less and less than Bob in her lifetime, unless of course she forces Bob to stay home, or hires a nanny.

Moral of the story, I really wish people would stop saying that women are paid less on purpose as part of some male scheme to assert our imaginary dominance.

I'm going to bed...

 

[UmJammerSully]

The Amazing Atheist makes some good points in this video, but does he have to be so damn shouty?

It's called passion. Something that seems to be dying in our culture...

Why yes, I am an Amazing Atheist fanboy. ;D

 

[Colour Scientist]

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I love how this gets posted every week or so.

Yeah, I thought it would tire out eventually. I guess not. People here just seem to love this argument, even though most people have no idea what they're talking about and forget that it was FIVE women.
Hmm... Maybe we should organise some sort of specific thread derailment plan for when it comes up.

 

[Blue Hero]

The only problem with men cutting off a woman's clitoris is that we wouldn't be able to find the damn thing.

Spoiler

My jokes are unfunny..

 

[ShasOMiKael]

it doesn't matter who does it, mutilation is still the same. If a woman chops off a man's penis, or if a man throws acid in a womans face, it doesn't matter who did it, it matters that they are punished equally (or forgiven in the latter case) and not joked about. It's a terrible thing to laugh at the maiming of another human being (or animal).

For example:

At my friends school, a girl groped a boy infront of the classroom and his girlfriend, opon which he punched her in the face and broke her nose. He got a month of detention and if one more thing happened he would get expelled, his girlfriend broke up with him a day later becuase he was a quote "Violent sexist bastard". The girl got off free.

Two months later, a boy made a "sexist joke" about a girl which she heard, opon which she kicked him in the nuts and the ribs. One of the ribs broke and he pissed blood for a month. What happened? Her friends praised her and she got off scott free. The boy had a "little meeting" with the principal about being respectful. People still joke about it.

What should have happened? The boy should be punished for inflicting bodily harm and the girl for sexual assult, while the other girl should be punished for inflicting bodily harm. Both the boy and girl who inflicted harm should equally (maybre the girl a bit more for more severe injuries) punished.

 

[ShasOMiKael]

I was talking about both the girls and the guy...

But i see your confusion. I will edit the post so it's less hard to read.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

HAHAHAHA!

Oh man...

Seriously guys, this issue is worth discussing, but the Amazing Atheist is a total hack e-begger who tells people to give him money, often for no reason. His credibility on any issue is seriously shot by his relentless profiteering and outright panhandling.

It's still a fact the majority of crimes, domestic violence cases and rapes are performed by men. I like my sex just fine, and I'm not an extremist. It's a shame female-on-male abuse goes under-reported and isn't taken seriously. I think it still is a numbers game, however, and they're just going with the odds. Sadly, the odds-on-favorite for violent crime is men.

 

[Jewrean]

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Discuss this.

I personally agree.

Agreed. Your country is f***** and my country is being poisoned by your overly-PC yet hypocritical culture. No offence intended but it is true.

 

[Wolfhowl the shadow lurker]

It's only sexist when men do it thats the way it works and it needs to change as long as woman do this woman will only have it harder to get what they want

i agree with the guy in the video