It's only sexist when men do it.

[infinity_turtles]

HAHAHAHA!

Oh man...

Seriously guys, this issue is worth discussing, but the Amazing Atheist is a total hack e-begger who tells people to give him money, often for no reason. His credibility on any issue is seriously shot by his relentless profiteering and outright panhandling.

Yeah, it's annoying sharing an opinion with him, but despite how much of a douche and idiot he is, I agree with him on this and think he did a decent job of making his point.

It's still a fact the majority of crimes, domestic violence cases and rapes are performed by men. I like my sex just fine, and I'm not an extremist. It's a shame female-on-male abuse goes under-reported and isn't taken seriously. I think it still is a numbers game, however, and they're just going with the odds. Sadly, the odds-on-favorite for violent crime is men.

Men committing violent crimes definitely. Women being the subject of them, not so much. Men are significantly more likely to be the victim of violent crimes as well as the aggressor, which probably brings the numbers closer inline. And there's also the fact that statistically women are much more likely to make false reports then men, which probably screws with the numbers a bit. Probably doesn't change the number of convictions too much, but a lot of studies on these sorts of issues base themselves on accusations.(Because they tend to be financed by groups that are looking for stricter laws, so a high accusation to conviction rate can be trumpeted as criminals failing to go to jail)

 

[Thaluikhain]

Spoiler: snip

While I have some shred of sympathy with the argument in this case, I have issues with the cry of sexism.

In it's purest form, sexism is the belief that a person's sexual characteristics are determinate of their ability in an unrelated area. For example, that women are less able in business or that men are less able to care for children. In this sense, the vast and overwhelming majority of human beings are functionally sexist. Even if they would not make openly sexist comments, most people still unconsciously accept and perpetuate the existence of 'natural' sex roles. Virtually everyone is sexist, men, women, children. Everyone.

This is why, in general, people restrict the definition of sexism to cases where there is a clear and measurable social disadvantage to being seen as less capable in a given behaviour, for example a woman being passed over for promotion in favour of less able male colleagues or a man being excluded from a daycare centre.

What's being described in this video is not 'sexism against men'. It doesn't fit either definition of sexism (well, actually it does, but not in the expected way at all). It's about reactions to sexual violence, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sexism in the normatively understood sense. We react largely the same when men are violent to each other (as is the case in the overwhelming majority of violent crimes) as opposed to when men are violent to women. The issue is not 'women as aggressors', the issue is 'men as victims' - because those words are largely incompatible by design.

Now, on to the main point which I seem to end up pointing out on every 'Wah! Women can get away with violence!' thread. Yes, it is socially harmful in many ways that violence against men is taken less seriously, but it does not represent a general ordering of society against men. In fact, the same force which makes violence against men more acceptable also underpins large sections of male privilege, and that is the belief that men 'can take care of themselves', that they are tough, emotionally measured and derive credibility from sexual conquest rather then from sexual passivity.

So hang on.. if you want people to feel horror when someone assaults you or chops your dick off, then you need to give up the idea that you as a man should derive legitimacy from being seen as able to take care of yourself, as not needing the support or sympathy of others, or as always by definition being the 'active' participant in a sex act and of never being a victim (except in regards to other men, and then you're just a pussy). Violence against you will only seem horrible when you are willing to accept the same perception of weakness and vulnerability to harm which women live under every day.

If you can all do that, we will probably live in a much better world for it.

Exactly. Yes, there are double standards that sometimes work in women's favour, but these did not spring into being out of nowhere, they are part of a much larger and more complicated whole.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Am I frustrated about how society turns a blind eye to, sometimes even actively endorsing, real and horrific cases of violence against men by women?

As a woman, I agree. I kicked a guy into the hospital once. The injury wasn't serious though: He only went into a shock because of the fact that he felt pain in his back. Everybody praised me, and said I should have gone further even. Especially the fact that everybody suggested I've should gone further, while they also say that he shouldn't even try to touch me, disgusts me. I'm at least as guilty as he is, properly even more so.

I am tempted to ask what he was doing that made you kick him? Certainly if he deserved it I wouldn't feel sorry for him, although them saying that you should have gone further, when what little you did was already enough to incapacitate him, even put him in hospital, I think is a little too much.

I was messing around with (I didn't know back then) his love interest, and then he grabbed me by the throat and tried to choke me. I spit on him so he would let me go. Then he smeared spit all over me and then I went berserk on him.

Yeah he totally deserved that. I don't approve of any violence that isn't in self defense anyway, but when you go for someones throat you have nobody top blame but yourself for what happens to you.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

He's right, modern feminism is hypocritical. However his concluding by telling me to fuck off makes me not want to take him seriously either.
The thing is modern feminists don't want equality among genders, 'cause if both genders were equal they wouldn't be able to go crying to big daddy (and by 'big daddy' I mean the government etc.) every time a man so much as looked at them funny. Meanwhile they can do and say whatever the hell they want.

No, goddam there are more than one types of feminism, there is Marxist feminism, there is radical feminism, there is liberal, new right.

feminism is not some big scary neo nazi group, liberal feminists have been criticised for not being aggressive enough, Marxist feminists are criticized for being miserable shits who only see the bad side of things.

radical feminists are criticised for being bat shit insane (wanting a gender segregated state)

My point is, there are more than one type of feminism, the ones you are talking about are easily Marxist or radical, the rest of them, liberal and new right make up ninety percent of the feminist movement but you only hear about the shit ones because they are the only ones stupid and misguided enough to do the the dumb things that bring the rest of the movement down.

Ok then the extremist radical dipshit feminists are hypocritical etc etc. the rest of the stuff I said then.