Devoneaux said:
Rogue 09 said:
Devoneaux said:
Rogue 09 said:
Devoneaux said:
Rogue 09 said:
Right. The thing to do to bring back fans who were pissed off because you ruined the cannon of Star Wars is to bring someone in who has already shown he doesn't give a fuck about the cannon of Star Trek.
This is such bullshit. Don't even care what the movies look like, this is already a complete miss for me.
Apples and oranges. The difference between Star Wars and Star Trek, is that Star Wars doesn't have tons of little details, technicalities and nuances to get caught up on. It's a simplistic Science fiction series where things work because space magic. If you think about it this is right up J's Alley.
Apples and Apples, friend. The problem with the Star Wars Prequels (and even the "Special Editions") is that they completely disregard the source material and go big, bright, and dumb. Abrams did the exact thing to Star Trek in '09 that Lucas did with The Phantom Menace. I physically cannot take any more of people just completely trashing these series.
He will have Greedo shoot first and kill Han. Then Greedo has to take Luke to the Death Star, and everything get's F-ed up.
That's quite a hyperbolic leap in logic. The Star Wars Prequels were bad for a number of reasons mostly related to the story and the execution of said story, it had far less to do with "Going big bright and dumb." If everything being "Big and epic" is the only criticism you can come up with then I don't really see what your problem is. Again, Star Trek is an entirely different beast, an entirely different setting. They are NOT comparable. Apples and Oranges.
The Star Trek "Reboot" was bad for the exact same reasons including the story and execution of the story. The plot of Star Trek '09: A Star is going Nova and destroying the entire galaxy (that's from the movie), so the only way to stop if from destroying everyone on Romulus (an empire with the ships and resources to evacuate completely or even solve the problem themselves) so the only way to stop it is with a Black Hole (which will also destroy Romulus). Because they built a special ship for this black hole creating material (which creates a black hole with a single drop... and they provided him 100+ Gallons) it takes too long to reach Romulus and everyone dies. A Romulan with his own ship who could have saved his own family, attacks Spock, they both fall into the black hole which (despite physics) sends them back in time. JUST THE SETUP OF THE MOVIE IS THAT STUPID! From digging a hole in Vulcan to create a black hole when he can just drop it into the atmosphere, to using the black hole stuff at all when he has the power to destroy an entire fleet of ships with just his technology, to Spock dropping Kirk onto an ice planet / moon with deadly monsters to die only to have him happen to meet Spock (somehow) and the both happen to meet Scottie (somehow) who just happens to have developed a formula to transport onto a Starship traveling at speeds faster than light away from them (somehow) the whole movie is made up of bad story writing and nonsense just as bad as the prequels.
I would also compare Abrams use of Lens flare and graphics in Star Trek to be as much of a distraction as the constant green screens and CG "funny characters" Lucas used. Apples and Apples.
Okay one little thing you need to be made aware of so you can calm down:
J.J. Abrams had nothing to do with the script of Star Trek '09. He wasn't the screen writer, he was the director. Okay? If Star Wars has a shit script, it won't be because J.J. was involved.
Yeah, that would be all well and good, except he did have a lot to do with the script of '09. Not only did he direct the movie, but he also was the Producer of the film and it was written by his good buddies Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci, with whom he wrote Mission Impossible 3 (Another terribly written and directed movie). He was directly involved in the crafting of that of that awful story.
So whether or not Abrams is directly responsible for a shitty Star Wars script, he will certainly be heavily involved in the process. He has already shown that he is not capable of the role, which is why I have such a problem "calming down".