Jade Raymond Problem?

[Saskwach]

added to that i dont think you can trust wikipedia to give you a CV of what this persons done.

actually wikipedia has been proven to be as accurate if not more so than other places, including things such as the encyclopedia britanica

i think with Jade it's a two fold issue. she's very attractive and yes there are some hot female coders and more than you'd think, tho she hasn't done a lot of popular titles. she was given a lot of face time because of her attractiveness.

now this practice hasn't been all that common over here, in japan it's a very common practice to have the producer given face time, Kojima is akin to a rockstar. north american developers are doing it more and more, such as CliffyB

another issue comes from the fact that she's a woman, our society happens to vilify women and iconify men. look at how much CliffyB is hyping gears of war 2 and spouting his mouth off, no one calls him a media whore, if it was Jade doing that, she's whoring herself out

Pretty much. If a woman gets the least bit attention or seems at all opinionated some idiots will think she's an attention whore. If she's just as bad as any egotistical man we suffer then she's the motherfudging Antichrist (think Hilary Clinton). It's getting on my nerves.

 

[Leon P]

but don't you think the whole fragdoll thing is a bit naff?
and even chessy

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

Not really a marketing ploy to "sell copies" but more like a marketing ploy to release hype saying the same god damned thing over and over for two years and to make people not even notice.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

A programmer for some Low score Low budget Games,Goes onto produce Ubisofts Biggest game of 2007?

I can seem to remember 'Charlie's Angels' being in a list of the top 10 worst games of all time!
even the Sims Online had to be shut down due to Sexual offenders using it as there own little 'playground'

OK ill just spit it out, I believe jade was used as a marketing ploy to help sell copies Assassins creed and help win over a skeptic audience. I don't believe she had much to do with the actual production of the game at all.

Producing a game and Designing a game are two totally different roles. Most Producers don't even have a solid background in programming (which is scarry when you think about it).

Producing is much more related to overall logistics and cross co-ordinating between different departments of the developer staff and publisher staff. the actually quality of the titles she "programmed" for has nothing to do with her ability as a Producer. they are only relevant in that they provided her with an experienced perspective of the game design work flow which puts her ahead of most Producers.

nothing she has done in the interviews has even remotely suggested that she is being used as a psuedo sexual figure head for marketing purposes. she is very articulate and has always seemed more than capable of performing her required PR tasks.

your post says more about your perspective on women in the work force than it does of Jade.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Pretty much. If a woman gets the least bit attention or seems at all opinionated some idiots will think she's an attention whore. If she's just as bad as any egotistical man we suffer then she's the motherfudging Antichrist (think Hilary Clinton). It's getting on my nerves.

there is a fine line too, it's an old salesman's tactic to send the "hot chick" to go hype up your product, my mom's bf has had it happen to him more than once. so there is some truth to "whoring" a woman spokesman out, tho it's not always the case, it can also be that she was the producer, the media picked up on it by calling her "the hot chick who is promoting assassin's creed" and ubisoft decided to send her out cause she could sell the game

as with Hilary, why she got vilified is the same reason a male would, cause she was lying and playing dirty politics

 

[Russ Pitts]

Apologies for the cheap shot earlier. My point was to merely highlight the bizarre nature of the assumptions being made. To wit: that Ms. Raymond has a thin resume and is attractive, therefore she must have been a shill. That the assumption is widely held does not make it any more reasonable. Or true.

A little background: Ubisoft, the makers of Assassin's Creed is a big company, spread out over a number of countries and headquartered in Europe. To say they occasionally have communications issues would be a vast understatement.

From what I and those I know who have followed the story of AC can determine, Jade was hired as a producer on the game, then pushed into the limelight when it was discovered she could actually handle herself well in front of cameras. What her exact responsibilities were in the production of the game I can't say, but I do not believe she was hired merely to look pretty, just encouraged to take on that role after the fact.

Believe me, this happens everywhere, especially in the tech/gaming field, where the vast majority of the audience are young males who will key in to a product being promoted by a pretty female. This peculiar quirk of the industry has launched the careers of more than Jade Raymond, I can assure you from first-hand experience.

And the "she's just a pretty face" backlash is all but inevitable. This is why people in the industry get so frustrated trying to keep you lot happy; you want something, then you bash it

 

[Leon P]

OK I agree with a lot of statements here but
I still hold my points a lot of it does seem slightly bizzare and I know now I'm not the only one who thinks that way

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

From what I and those I know who have followed the story of AC can determine, Jade was hired as a producer on the game, then pushed into the limelight when it was discovered she could actually handle herself well in front of cameras.

and that's another thing, nobody here knows what her producer role is. i've known low level associate producers who were used for filmed PR because they came off as less nervous and more natural. and it shouldn't be surprising that many people in the game industry lack effective PR social skills.

 

[Leon P]

sorry my impression of PRODUCER was someone who overseed all elements of production not just PR.

and my opinion of the female gender in games is no different then males. that just seems like a cheap blow to deal out the word 'sexist' then actually come up with a valid argument

"I don't believe Jade Raymond had anything to do with production of assassins creed"
"thats because your sexist!"

I wonder if it was anyone of a different race then white you'd probably call me "RACIST!"

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Farktoid/jade-raymond-has-nothing-to-do-with-assassin-s-creed-49956.phtml

seems like I'm not the only one either

BALLPTPENTHEIF=LAME of 2008

 

[sunami88]

Always charmed when words get stuffed in my mouth.

OK, this ought to be good. How did I stuff words in your mouth, I hit the quote button.

Particularly when it's to change the subject. Never called you sexist, I accused the topic poster of assuming she couldn't make a good game because she's hot and her background is obscure. What would you call the assumption that a woman was hired only because she's attractive?

Seems like you're asking two questions there. But we're not just saying "shes hot, she can't be responsible". We're saying "based on her background, and that she stumbles her way through half if not more of the interviews she's in, that she probably didn't produce much of anything".

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

BALLPTPENTHEIF=LAME of 2008

real mature

like i said, your post says more about you. and i never called you sexist.

 

[Leon P]

BALLPTPENTHEIF=LAME of 2008

real mature

like i said, your post says more about you. and i never called you sexist.

Just being as mature as the last post you made

But anyway the game was a Lump of steaming shit anyway
probs one of the worst games Ive played thus far on this generation
apart from maybe alone in the dark

 

[tendo82]

I think job title is irrelevant here, and to get stuck on it is silly. What we need to look at is if Ms. Raymond was successful in her de facto role as a spokesperson/PR rep for AC. In that regard, I believe she is easily the best of an entire generation of videogame spokespeople. It is an impressive feat when your name becomes inseparable from the brand you represent.

Also interesting, is that the controversy she generated had nothing to do with the merits of the actual game, and yet it served to keep AC in the public consciousness. Clearly Mr. Dyack could learn a thing a two from Ms. Raymond.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Just being as mature as the last post you made

no, you're not. you are acting quite juvenile now.

 

[Echolocating]

Believe me, this happens everywhere, especially in the tech/gaming field, where the vast majority of the audience are young males who will key in to a product being promoted by a pretty female. This peculiar quirk of the industry has launched the careers of more than Jade Raymond, I can assure you from first-hand experience.

So... you were hired for your good looks too? It's so hard being really, really, ridiculously good looking these days. ;-)

 

[ReepNeep]

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good, but if I didn't know anything about her I would think this looks like a base sex appeal kind of thing along the lines of E3 booth babes.

My hunch is that they hired her on as a producer and when it came time to promote the game, lo and behold, they had a someone on staff who already had experience in front of a camera from her previous jobs and also happened to be pretty and charming.

I still can't help but feel vaguely insulted when I watch one of her interviews, however.

 

[Leon P]

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good, but if I didn't know anything about her I would think looks like a base sex appeal kind of thing along the lines of E3 booth babes.

My hunch is that they hired her on as a producer and when it came time to promote the game, lo and behold, they had a someone on staff who already had experience in front of a camera from her previous jobs and also happened to be pretty and charming.

I still can't help but feel vaguely insulted when I watch one of her interviews, however.

exactly how I feel

 

[Russ Pitts]

So... you were hired for your good looks too?

Yes. Let's just leave it at that. :-/

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

sorry my impression of PRODUCER was someone who overseed all elements of production not just PR.

and you would be mistaken. there are many various production roles within a company and even their placement (Publisher vs Developer) drastically changes their job roles. the position you are thinking of is more of an Executive Producer role.. and the publisher tends to handle the PR (always exceptions).

 

[sunami88]

sorry my impression of PRODUCER was someone who overseed all elements of production not just PR.

and you would be mistaken. there are many various production roles within a company and even their placement (Publisher vs Developer) drastically changes their job roles. the position you are thinking of is more of an Executive Producer role.. and the publisher tends to handle the PR (always exceptions).

Thanks for the lesson. Can we go back on topic now?