Withall said:
It's a black guy, actually, but I followed the perhaps shallow logic of "non-asian= one of us".
Oh ok, so the not-into-weird-shit kind of one of ours. Thanks.
That's one more point I agree to, in anime, most male characters are a pair of boobs away from being girls, meh.
chaosfenrir said:
chris89300 said:
Irony said:
chris89300 said:
Irony said:
chris89300 said:
*KER-SNIPPING THE KER-SNIPS!*
You have the right to say you don't like something. True. I have the right to say you are being totally close-minded right now about some things in Japan. Also true.
You see manga/anime as worthless. Other people find it entertaining. I find that many parts of different religions delude their followers ways of seeing the world. You don't see me making a thread saying "Should all religions be banned because I personally see them as worthless?". And before you quote me saying "Well you just stated your opinion about religion. How is that any different than me?" I'll just say that yes I do have some negative views on certain religious practices, but I don't go around asking people if we should ban them. I live and let live.
And how is manga not part of the culture? That's like saying that any animation made by Disney isn't part of the American culture. Or that books aren't part of any culture. Anything created by a culture like that is part of the culture. It represents what things are important to that culture and the artist during the time it was created.
P.S. And wow, attacking me for a grammar typo? Wow, just wow. You have true proven yourself to be a worthy debater.
Meeeh ... I'm attacking you for being ridiculous to the point of making me wonder why I bother.
Religion should be banned. Believing in a higher power can be a good thing, but most religions and/or preachers manipulate those believes to get benefits. I say go beliefs and die religion.
Why is manga or Disney considered part of the culture? Do you consider MTV part of the culture? Or part of big corporations' money-gobbling schemes?
Come on, close-minded, fuck, NO, that's one of the last things I am. I've tried most shit I'm talking about here (The only thing I haven't tried is Hello Kitty, which is so cute I just want to kill myself whenever I see that cat).
And what if I'm asking people if we should ban them? Why does everyone fell offended when other people's opinions differ from their own? Am I posting for the sole purpose of calling people that love manga names? Nope. They sure as fuck wouldn't appreciate it BUT they do it to me ... Beautiful hypocrisy, huh?
Look, maybe you like manga, maybe you don't, but let's say you like it, for the sake of argument, right? You do agree that some of it IS worthless right? Well, so do I!
That's my point! Every single one of them being bad is IMPOSSIBLE, of course there are some good ones, but does the good outweigh the bad or is it the other way around? And from what I've seen, most people that read the good stuff don't even get what the thing's trying to teach them.
From the amount of bashing I just got, I'm guessing they deduce from the good stuff that they're unstoppable super-heroes set on bringing xenophobes and racists to justice. It's much easier to check the pretty pictures out, but just how many of them have any reading comprehension whatsoever?
This is just sad, I shouldn't even have to say this.
Wait, you believed that religion should be banned? Well I was going to talk about how despite the fact some people don't like part of a culture, that part of the culture still exists as part of the culture (yes MTV is part of the American culture, no it may not be the best part of the culture, but its still part of it) or how I'm not getting angry about someone having a different opinion than me, I'm getting angry because someone is considering forcing their opinion on others; but the that one sentence made me change my mind.
"Religion should be banned." Obviously your previous statement saying how you are "usually against ANY form of censorship" was bullshit. You don't believe in freedom of expression. You believe that some forms of expression are superior to others and that the "inferior" forms have no right existing. You want to ban anything that you don't like or see as worthless, despite the fact that other people may like it or find worth in it. That or you're just trolling.
Either way, I have no more reason to talk to you. Good day sir.
I said "Usually" but look at some of the effects "religion" has had over time, the Crusades, terrorism, witch hunts, Scientology, etc.
Religion is different from faith, it IS forcing opinions on others, even if it's indirect most of the time (through manipulation). I know a lot of religious zealots and they try to convert people, that's forcing one's opinion on others.
It can also be a good thing, but that's rare.
Ermm, isn't forcing your religion on others called proselytizing? Thats not religion. Some zealots to like to try to convince others to join their religion, but there are plenty of other highly religous people who do respect another person's faith.
The witch hunts weren't really about religion as it was a channel for the people of that time to channel their frustrations. Their lives back then sucked. The Crusades had political motives as well. Terrorism is obviously bullshit, its just using religion as a disguise, an excuse.
Also, some of the 'effects' of religion include the scientific method. It was invented by an Islamic Scholar who sought to understand Allah.
You say you are against most forms of censorship, but banning religion, ESPECIALLY the expression of one's faith is one the one of the biggest and most fundamental violations of freedom of speech. I'm guessing that you're either agnostic or atheist and if you have a right to be that, others should have the right to be Christian or Muslims as well. And yes, they should have the right to proudly proclaim their own religion. It is part of their identity after all. Censoring one's right to tell others about a part of their own identity is just ridiculous
OT: Its quite obvious you just really hate certain parts of Japanese culture. Some stuff they have is fucked up, but then again, some stuff from America and Europe is fucked up too. If you don't like it, then you don't like it, but that does not by any means it should be banned. If you don't like your neighbour, and pretty much everyone in the world hates him doesn't mean he should be put to death. After all, he hasn't doesn't anything wrong. And Japan hasn't done anything wrong either. It may be sick or weird, but its not wrong.
And how does those cultural products of their's show how far they've sunk? Watching weird porn doesn't make you dumb, or show that you're dumb. It just shows that you have weird sexual tastes.
And why the hate on anime and manga? They're just like comic books and cartoons. Sure they're drawn differently, but that's just the style.
And 12 year olds with swords the size of skyscrapers is not any more outlandish than the idea of a magical sword given by a lady who lives under water, or a guy in a red cape who wears his underwear on the outside and is invulnerable. Its fantasy. Relax...
And in what way is pedophillia less mind-rotting than stuff like tentacle porn? And why are you so insistent that everything they export is worthless? Just because its worthless to you doesn't mean its not of value to someone else. Is the concept of differing viewpoints so alien to you? You cannot, by any means judge culture or media with an objective scale. It is, by its very nature highly subjective. The modern art of today might after all be considered shit by Leonardo Da Vinci.
But somehow, i don't think any of this will get through to you.
Not banning religion in that way, but churches and stuff. Most of the bad stuff that happens "because" of religion isn't directly the religion's fault, it's the fault of the cocks that preach it. Most, if not all religions I know about are about people being kind to one another.
But the guys that preach them are more often than not manipulating people through it. And besides, I doubt that any deity would tell their followers to never question anything. In a lot of religions, their equivalent of the Bible has at least a part devoted to not believing in any other religion. There are a lot of good stories in these books in general, stories that are supposed to make us aspire to being better people, but there's also a lot of crap in them.
Who are they to say the other religions are bad? It's the same with me. Yeah, I guess I'm an atheist, hell, I don't know, I'm more like neutral on the God subject, maybe there is one, maybe there isn't. But to me, saying that God made us in his own image is an insult to God, if God was as fucked up as us, hell, we'd be in deep shit.
Witch hunts, hehe, one of the most retarded shit ever. Well, religion still got massively involved, so, it's still about religion and brain washing.
As for terrorism, and the Crusades, yes, there's a lot of politics involved but those are one of the worst kind of manipulations, exactly the kind I hate. Using something as inspiring to some people as religion to push one's own agenda, it just sickens me. It's an abuse of trust. But then again, religion does teach that God's will is never to be questioned AND that the priests are always right, so ...
Everyone should have the right to express their opinions/beliefs, but when it all goes so wrong, they should just keep it between them, at home, not have assemblies and shit preaching the words of the Lord. Same with the sects, those sick fucks are basically stealing from people, stupid people, to be sure, but still people. Should those guys be allowed to manifest? Like Scientology?
Well, yeah, some (actually a lot) of stuff from our part of the world is fucked up, some of it even more (like MTV), I never said otherwise, but seems they don't catch on as much as Japanese stuff nowadays. There are a lot of people that are into stuff JUST because they're Japanese, that's a truly stupid thing to like something for.
Well, the Japanese culture has been pretty solid for thousands of years, unlike our shitty ones, in the other parts of the world, seems we change our culture every century, but theirs has stayed pretty much the same for thousands of years. They were always a little smarter than us, hell some of their technology is mind boggling, even now. And making something of such worthless land requires skill, because let's face it, Japan has 0 natural resources, and they still have a very evolved country, that says a lot. So how come after thousands of years of awe-inspiring culture they've sunk so much? Well, they haven't all sunk to such a level, but the cultural garbage just can't compare to their technology. I mean, how come smart people can get into dumb stuff? I know it's fantasy but still, look at the pseudo-men in the anime. I know they're trying to get girls into anime, but since when is it OK for men to be pussies? As the guy on the site says, how could it go so wrong so fast?
The thing is, it's not limited to Japan, it's worldwide. I see more and more guys acting like twats. They got some of it from anime.
I'm not against weird porn actually, to each their shit, it was just an example of weirdness. I don't think it's bad, since I can't possibly see how it could influence anything, it's just sexual stuff.
That's why my hate on anime, it's a little worse than our cartoons cuz it also features twats that are uber awesome. Since when is a twat respected by real men? Since when are real men afraid of twats? The thing is, real men beat the shit out of twats, not the other way around, it's like fairy tales, giving the wrong ideas to the wrong people, in this case, the wrong people being impressionable 14 year olds.
Hehe, I dunno if Excalibur was magical, can't remember. As for superman, retarded, but at least it was one distinct guy, it wasn't an everyman. So unless you're Superman, you're just like all the other twats, you can't do shit. But in the anime, any twat can kick so much ass his feet hurt.
Nah, pedophilia and and tentacle porn isn't mind-rotting, pedophilia's just wrong and the tentacle porn's just weird, I don't really care about those, they were just examples. I only care about things that dumb people down.
I never said EVERYTHING they export, come on now, you make pretty good arguments, you've surely gotten my point, dammit.
It's like saying everything is shit everywhere nowadays, it's inherently false, just impossible for EVERYTHING to be shit.
Just some of it, like what I was talking about, anime, manga, whatnot.
As I said, there are a lot of things that come out of Japan that I love, but some of it is worse than our shitty entertainment cuz a lot more kids nowadays are getting into it just because it Japanese, therefore it's about an other culture, BUT it's just as mind rotting. They're basically replacing shit by shit, instead of not being drawn into ANY of it. What difference does it really make if something stupid is Western or Asian? Apparently, it makes some to them, that's the worst.
And since most kids nowadays are retarded, I guess the first thing that draws them in (apart from their stupid friends) are the cuteness of the cartoons.
Argh, it's not, and yes, it IS subjective, what do you want me to say? I just wanna know how many people there agree that there's a problem.