Japanese Eroge Company Renames Rape Games to "Platinum Games"

[ygetoff]

EDIT: I wouldn't mind these so much if they had something useful about them... the same way I don't care how violent a game is if it has a decent or otherwise meaningful story.

Who knows, maybe one of those "Platinum" games is a coming to age story of a rapist with a heart of platinum, which will move you in a way art that doesn't involve non-consensual acts of sexual violence could never. I really doubt it, then again I can't read Japanese and this is really no reason to start.

What creeps me out more is the "Thoroughbred" category. Platinum as a title for a genre is ambiguous enough to be deceitful. People who enjoy "normal" sex games may research them from the misleading names. Thoroughbred has many creepier connotations at least to me. People who look into that category after thinking about the title have some "interesting" tastes to say the least.

Who knows. If anyone who has actually played these games can come forth and testify, please do.

"Thoroughbred" just scares me.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Why are they pushing this genre? What the actual hell.

Because people buy them?

Sad but true

What's worse: to play this game which is a bunch of pixels, or watch a porn where you don't know what the working conditions were for the actress were?

When it comes to stuff like this, I wonder how many people are throwing stones from the front porches of glass houses.

Absolutely.

It'd be different if we were talking about real rape, but no actual women are abused in an "Eroge" video game.

And honestly, the working conditions of adult actresses is something I often wonder about.

 

[walkingdead127]

I hear stuff like the sex scene in Mass effect for three weeks on CNN but not a damn word about this.

 

[geldonyetich]

snip

I have been trying to point out why I believe I am right and your are wrong, but you don't seem to want to accept my arguement. Therefore, after this post, I will not be responding to anymore of your responses.

It's a mature decision. I suggest you deal with it like an adult instead of trying to continue to instigate.

Whenever issues present in deep-seated beliefs come up to bat, there's no real chance those beliefs are charging. Rape and censorship joins issues such as religion, drugs, and abortion (which is also in this game) as things that people will happily defend for all eternity, especially from the safety of an Internet connection. You can put words like "virtual" or "fictitious" in front of them, but it doesn't blunt the strength of these convictions much.

Some times, the only way to win is to know when you've encountered a futile fight. You and me have done that. Judging by the prolific nature of Cheeze_Pavilion's attention on this thread, he has not. Granted, I could sound a bit less like a stuffed up windbag when I do it... but hey, a win is a win.

 

[Straitjacketeering]

I feel sorry for people who misunderstand the Thuroughbred catagory.

Member of the Kennel Club,"OOH FINALLY I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

*CLICK*

OH MY FUCKING GAWD.

 

[geldonyetich]

I feel sorry for people who misunderstand the Thuroughbred catagory.

Member of the Kennel Club,"OOH FINALLY I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

*CLICK*

OH MY FUCKING GAWD.

Alternate scenario:

"Oh! Finally, I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

"What the -- I'm raising subjection in women to force them to be more compliant to my protagonist's twisted sex offenses instead?"

"..."

"Oh well, this genre barely has any games for it, I guess that's close enough."

(Actually, they do have some games that aren't so perverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Maker_(series)] that does make raising a human being into a pretty credible game genre. RapeLay, however, is not one of those games.)

 

[cobra_ky]

In my state, oral and anal are both illegal (long ago laws I assume made to make it illegal to be gay or something)

And all the porn here can't show penetration...but the state border is just a few hours away..

is this a US state? all the sodomy laws in the US were struck down 6 years ago.

It is unless somehow that over rides it, however it is still in the state law books. Although I haven't heard of anyone being arrested specifically for it, but I am sure there are records thanks to the internetz.

yes, the supreme court overrides state law. they may still be in the books but the state cannot enforce them

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Why are they pushing this genre? What the actual hell.

Because people buy them?

Sad but true

What's worse: to play this game which is a bunch of pixels, or watch a porn where you don't know what the working conditions were for the actress were?

When it comes to stuff like this, I wonder how many people are throwing stones from the front porches of glass houses.

Absolutely.

It'd be different if we were talking about real rape, but no actual women are abused in an "Eroge" video game.

the only actual persons exploited in the making of this rape simulator were the programmers who endured ten straight months of crunch in order to make the last funding milestone and to ship in time

And honestly, the working conditions of adult actresses is something I often wonder about.

I know, right? I mean, I'd *like* to think that all these people with strong opinions against this game were all doing it out of a true feminist concern for the plight of women.

The reality? I think it's more about how 'sick' people think those who would enjoy this are than some kind of real interest in ending the sexual exploitation of women. I mean, where are all these voices when it comes to porn? Are they all equally offended by the reality of date rape? I mean, like above, someone was referring to women as 'dressing like sluts': it's not games like this that contribute to tolerance of rape in our society, it's dividing women into 'good girls' and 'sluts' because it's not far from that to 'well sluts had it coming'

Yeah, I don't really know. I'm kind of amazed people still use the "she was asking for it, dressing like that" excuse. Maybe if somebody was walking down the street totally naked (in a society where that is NOT the norm), or openly advertising prostitution services, but other than that... Like you said, there are many things we do that "invite" crime. Should we not do those things because of what might happen? Or should we have the freedom to choose how to live our lives and expect the government to punish people who commit crimes, without laying the blame on the victims?

Then there's the whole issue of classifying rape. I find it somewhat confusing that two people can have consensual sex and it be termed "rape" by the courts. I'm speaking, of course, of statutory rape. Many cases of statutory rape are cases of consensual sex between two people, one who is just above the 18 mark, and the other just below it. But the difference between this kind of "rape" and actual rape is huge. Yet they share the same name. And it doesn't seem fair to punish one person for having consensual sex with the same level of severity the law would punish someone else who actually rapes a person against their will.

I think porn is an interesting issue. I suspect folks either view and enjoy it, or don't and don't. If they don't, they won't care about the lives of the people who are in the industry, one way or another (probably). If they do watch it, odds are they won't really think about anything beyond what happens onscreen. Like [small]the act that typically accompanies the viewing of pornographic materials,[/small] most people would probably prefer to pretend porn does not exist in our everyday, polite society. So when societal issues come up, I suspect it's already out of mind.

 

[Straitjacketeering]

I feel sorry for people who misunderstand the Thuroughbred catagory.

Member of the Kennel Club,"OOH FINALLY I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

*CLICK*

OH MY FUCKING GAWD.

Alternate scenario:

"Oh! Finally, I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

"What the -- I'm raising subjection in women to force them to be more compliant to my protagonist's twisted sex offenses instead?"

"..."

"Oh well, this genre barely has any games for it, I guess that's close enough."

(Actually, they do have some games that aren't so perverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Maker_(series)] that does make raising a human being into a pretty credible game genre. RapeLay, however, is not one of those games.)

"Oh well, this genre barely has any games for it, I guess that's close enough."

"..."

"On the upside I can still call them bitches too...

 

[geldonyetich]

I feel sorry for people who misunderstand the Thuroughbred catagory.

Member of the Kennel Club,"OOH FINALLY I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

*CLICK*

OH MY FUCKING GAWD.

Alternate scenario:

"Oh! Finally, I can raise digital greyhounds and pitbulls!"

"What the -- I'm raising subjection in women to force them to be more compliant to my protagonist's twisted sex offenses instead?"

"..."

"Oh well, this genre barely has any games for it, I guess that's close enough."

(Actually, they do have some games that aren't so perverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Maker_(series)] that does make raising a human being into a pretty credible game genre. RapeLay, however, is not one of those games.)

"Oh well, this genre barely has any games for it, I guess that's close enough."

"..."

"On the upside I can still call them bitches too...

Zing!

Or fillies, for that matter. Barbie Horse Adventures this is not.

 

[jibjab963]

I think Xbox will need to change the name of there best selling games from platinum to something else now.

 

[VonBrewskie]

This is just...really pathetic, disgusting, and sad. Call me a weak-stomached fool who wants to shut down games because I don't personally like them, but if I were in charge, those 'rape games' would be banned, all of them, and I'd put out a notice saying, 'If you attempt to replicate said rape simulators, there will be severe consequences and/or lawsuits against your companies.'

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

No way are these games even in the least bit acceptable. I commonly hear the right to free speech as a justification for garbage like this. I understand the "slippery-slope" concept, but at what point do we as a society put the breaks on and say, "look, idiot, you can't make a rape game. It's disgusting and totally offensive." Looks like we may have reached that point, huh?

 

[geldonyetich]

This is just...really pathetic, disgusting, and sad. Call me a weak-stomached fool who wants to shut down games because I don't personally like them, but if I were in charge, those 'rape games' would be banned, all of them, and I'd put out a notice saying, 'If you attempt to replicate said rape simulators, there will be severe consequences and/or lawsuits against your companies.'

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

No way are these games even in the least bit acceptable. I commonly hear the right to free speech as a justification for garbage like this. I understand the "slippery-slope" concept, but at what point do we as a society put the breaks on and say, "look, idiot, you can't make a rape game. It's disgusting and totally offensive." Looks like we may have reached that point, huh?

I'm willing to humor a proper investigation into their validity... but that's only because I'm open-minded past the point that some people would find crazy. I mean, this is a game about raping people, not only that, but out of petty revenge, forcing them to have abortions, and including a 10-year-old we're talking about. It's quite a few levels of indecency beyond a mere mildy violent or sexual game.

 

[Deadpoolsbrain]

This made me laugh pretty hard.

 

[LimeJester]

This is just...really pathetic, disgusting, and sad. Call me a weak-stomached fool who wants to shut down games because I don't personally like them, but if I were in charge, those 'rape games' would be banned, all of them, and I'd put out a notice saying, 'If you attempt to replicate said rape simulators, there will be severe consequences and/or lawsuits against your companies.'

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

No way are these games even in the least bit acceptable. I commonly hear the right to free speech as a justification for garbage like this. I understand the "slippery-slope" concept, but at what point do we as a society put the breaks on and say, "look, idiot, you can't make a rape game. It's disgusting and totally offensive." Looks like we may have reached that point, huh?

I'm willing to humor a proper investigation into their validity... but that's only because I'm open-minded past the point that some people would find crazy. I mean, this is a game about raping people, not only that, but out of petty revenge, forcing them to have abortions, and including a 10-year-old we're talking about. It's quite a few levels of indecency beyond a mere mildy violent or sexual game.

Wow... a ten year old having an abortion... as far as I remember from biology... that's not possible. Crazy anime physics.

 

[geldonyetich]

Wow... a ten year old having an abortion... as far as I remember from biology... that's not possible. Crazy anime physics.

Actually, 10-year-olds can get pregnant. They usually aren't fertile, but not always. Yes, a pregnant 10-year-old is pretty screwed up.

It's not that I dislike porn. I actually think the milder forms of Japanese Hentai (slightly over Ecchi [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi] stuff) is pretty kinky (as long we're not talking something like guru [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ero_guro] or any other obviously unhealthy stuff - even tentacle porn or hermaphrodites is not my thing). Though I brought up abortion a few times as one of the things that makes RapeLay so contemptible, I'm actually thoroughly pro-choice. Anime girls are often portrayed as young but with bodies that would make a college girl jealous, and at that point I can sort of look the other way, "sure, they say you're 10, but you're a cartoon, you have no real age, and you were drawn 23."

However, that's about as far as I'll go. In other for decency to exist at all, I have to draw the line somewhere, and I'm sure not going to draw it on whatever makes me feel good, because that's the path of a complete degenerate, a code of conduct that fully condones abusing drugs, other people, and himself. Tempered with critical thought, respecting social mores is not an evil thing that stems free information exchange, it's a thing that keeps you from being a slave to your lusts (something hardly receptive to knowledge or intelligence).

So, in regards to this game, I have to say my investigations into its viability wouldn't go far. It's one thing for the animators to draw a girl and say she's ten years old, it's quite another to put her in a family where she's plainly much younger, and have you rape your way through her family so you can ravage her in a room full of teddy bears. It's one thing to have abortion, it's quite another to use abortion as a game mechanic to allow yourself to continually victimize a girl. RapeLay pushes the line way past where I want to be... and then it rapes it!

So, yeah, I don't think the game is right for American audiences, really. The thing you've got to consider here is apparently the Japanese government has decided it's not right for Japanese audiences either. Despite what Cheeze_Pavilion's overwhelming desire to prove himself master of the devil's advocate stance would suggest, this stuff really isn't healthy.

Desire for this media is condoning that behavior on a fictional level, and the scary thing about that is that there's only a varying amount of distance between condoning it on a fictional level and condoning it in reality. You don't have to believe me, ask a shrink who is experienced with sex offenders. Along these lines, finding support for something on the Internet is not, and has never been, a way you should be getting tips about what's right or wrong in life. For all you know, you could be on a forum full of sex offenders.

 

[KarumaK]

EDIT: I wouldn't mind these so much if they had something useful about them... the same way I don't care how violent a game is if it has a decent or otherwise meaningful story.

Who knows, maybe one of those "Platinum" games is a coming to age story of a rapist with a heart of platinum, which will move you in a way art that doesn't involve non-consensual acts of sexual violence could never. I really doubt it, then again I can't read Japanese and this is really no reason to start.

What creeps me out more is the "Thoroughbred" category. Platinum as a title for a genre is ambiguous enough to be deceitful. People who enjoy "normal" sex games may research them from the misleading names. Thoroughbred has many creepier connotations at least to me. People who look into that category after thinking about the title have some "interesting" tastes to say the least.

Who knows. If anyone who has actually played these games can come forth and testify, please do.

"Thoroughbred" just scares me.

I've played Rapelay, gotta question?