Japanese Games Market Takes Massive Hit

The Shade

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nilcypher said:
Is it possible that the novelty of the Wii has started to wear off? The console has seen a dip in sales this year, and without its massive popularity shoring up the market a decline was inevitable.
More likely it's just that anyone who is going to buy a Wii or other console already has. The Wii, especially, strikes me as the kind of console you either want right away or not at all. With its affordability, I'm sure everyone who wanted one has one now.
 

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KDR_11k said:
FloodOne said:
We all know FF XIII will sell millions of copies in November, and probably a cool million in ps3 hardware. It's the slow period of the year right now for games. Besides Prototype and inFamous, nothing has really come out in the last 4 months.
I'd put more hope into Dragon Quest 9. It's coming on the 11th and Famitsu claims it's the most anticipated game in Japan.
I don't doubt that, but considering the FF XIII demo moved a lot of hardware, I imagine the game will do even more than that.
 

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I SUSPECT racism might play a role in this even if most people don't want to go there. To the Japanese audience a game being released to the US Audience in some ways cheapens it. "Japan Exclusive" especially on games that Westerners/Americans want can be a big deal.

Companies have however been focusing increasingly on getting their products to the US where there is a bigger market in absolute terms, and I suspect this might be hurting Japanese sales as a substantial number of Japanese gamers refuse to support products seeing release outside of the US.

I look back to the atmosphere surrounding Final Fantasy X and it's "International" version along with what happened with the "Final Mission" installment that wrapped up the story as one apparent example of the power of "Japanese Exclusives" (and I read some disturbing things from translated periodicals).

A sign of this problem could also be seen in things like the game "Cross Edge Dash" which is a sequel/expanded version of CRoss Edge (not sure of all the details). But apparently the American branch of the companys were surprised it was going Japan only, and the company feels that a Japan only release will actually help sales (ie I'd imagne that given the 'niche' audience in the US it's less profirtable to tap that despite the demand, than it is to sell more copies to a more mainstream audience in Japan which will embrace it as a Japanse-Only release).

Such are my thoughts.

As far as Japan's declining Birthrate, it amazes me when people tend to see things like that in a negative light. All I can say is "gogo Japan" more countries need to see exactly that. Right now the earth is dealing with overpopulation and we need less people. We saw it coming generations ago but didn't embrace "Zero Population Growth" when we had a chance. Heck after World War II would have been an ideal time to start exercising some control over breeding, but instead we saw a Baby Boom.

Whether the Wii is responsible or not (jokes aside) whatever they are doing is working and we here in the US should serious start thinking about reducing our own population as well.


Of course then again I'm a war monger, not just over Nationalistic/long-term principles but simply because I feel that anything that gets rid of massive numbers of people is a good thing. When your dealing with all of the livable areas being overpopulated like they are (expanding into all those desert regions people look at to counter this arguement is impractical, as is the building of undersea habitats and such... think about it, who
would want to live there compared to the other regions?) anything getting rid of massive numbers of people is good.

One of the reasons why I find the aversion to killing Civilians so ridiculous not only is it impractical (you need to break the people to break a culture and actually achieve anything, modern mentality leading to a lot of 'do nothing' wars), but also killing the people helps humanity as a whole by freeing up/reducing the overcrowding in livable areas.

You fly a bomber over a crowded city for example and wipe out 20,000 cheering civilians to kill one leader giving a speech. That's 20,000 less people crowded into that area, 20,000 more jobs opening up (leading to less poverty and unemployment which is everywhere) and
other things. Oh sure, it blows chips to be one of those 20,000 (nobody wants to be culled) but War is as impartial a way of doing it as any other, and tends to be fairly darwinistic (the strongest/most capable humans and the strongest societies tend to survive).

I'm getting way off topic though, it's just the joke reminded me of it. Peaceful methods are of course better, but I don't think even declining birth rates in some places can stabilize the population to living space/resources ratio fast enough to matter.


















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SomeBritishDude said:
I think we may be coming to the end of the Wiis reign of power. People bitched about it while it lasted, but if you take nintendo OUT of the equation we'll see a major hit in the games industry. This may actually mean MORE casual games if the Wii starts to LOSE interest, they'll want to make money fast.

Loss of interest in the Wii is bound to be AT least one of the factors. The other one is obviously the economic crisis, compared to last year and the one before that, 2009 is looking terrible for games. Just look at E3. Nearly all the really AAA titles aren't coming out until 2010, maybe later.
fixed it for you..the errors were just atrocious.
 

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Glefistus said:
Well it's like Corningware- once everyone had one no one bought them anymore.
I still got some dishes made by that company! They made some high quality stuff. Corningware is still being made as compared to the A1 Sunbeam VERTICAL GRILL Toaster. those things were made in Australia, everyone brought them and then sales dropped to nil. Nowadays the only way you can buy them is used and off amazon or craigslist or something. Although other companies do sell a variation of the grill but apparently it is not as well made as the original.

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don't worry, this is just doomsday news reports made to pander to the fear mongering people.
 

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L.B. Jeffries said:
Wow. Do those stats include downloads for online services and second-hand sales?
I suspect THIS might be the case, just as it's the case in dvd sales right now and other products that have relatively high second-hand sales rates.

For some reason, business statistics have yet to let go of the "only NEW matters" concept, where most statistics seem to only take into consideration the number of new retail copies sold and completely exclude the resale market. It's just like the 'console' situation... whenever I read about how many units the Xbox has sold or the PS3, I tend to wonder if any of those stats includes resold consoles from retailers like Gamestop or even refurbished units.

It's the same conundrum that is already affecting television in my opinion and has caused me to begin to boycot channels like NBC here in America. When ratings are tallied, networks completely ignore Tivo, DVR, or online watching numbers, because those viewers tend to skip advertisements, which essentially are the lead revenue for a television network. So they look for the ratings that are premium for sales to advertising/marketing companies who want to pay good money for people to watch their commercials. However, this has led to the abrupt cancelling of some very promising television shows, because it wasn't seemingly successful in it's timeslot, forgoing the fact that many people dvr multiple shows so they can watch them at their leisure. The days of people planning their whole lives around tv show timeslots, running home to catch the latest new episode of their favorite show are GONE. So when NBC cancelled Journeyman, I decided I was no longer going to watch any 'new' show on that network until it was in it's 3rd or 4th season, and i've since added CBS to that list since they cancelled The Unit and Eleventh Hour.
 

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HyenaThePirate said:
L.B. Jeffries said:
Wow. Do those stats include downloads for online services and second-hand sales?
I suspect THIS might be the case, just as it's the case in dvd sales right now and other products that have relatively high second-hand sales rates.

For some reason, business statistics have yet to let go of the "only NEW matters" concept, where most statistics seem to only take into consideration the number of new retail copies sold and completely exclude the resale market. It's just like the 'console' situation... whenever I read about how many units the Xbox has sold or the PS3, I tend to wonder if any of those stats includes resold consoles from retailers like Gamestop or even refurbished units.

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Well, the key here is that they're business statistics.
Businesses mostly care about money, so anything that doesn't make them any (like second hand sales) tends to get ignored.

Also consider for instance the total number of games consoles owned... This isn't going to change at all unless they're new, because every second-hand console means 1 less person that owns one, and 1 more person that owns one. - So it balances out to zero.

I agree with the television part though; It's rather short-sighted.
Similarly, the second-hand market (for games, more so than consoles themselves) would probably be a useful indicator of the popularity of older games.
Oh well...
 

Rect Pola

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Poor Nintendo; if only they had just resisted the urge and made a hardcore system like everybody else. They disrupted the balance and now it's all falling apart.
 

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That's what you get for selling your soul to the casual gamers - you lose the 'normal/hardcore' gamers'. Casual gamers buy what, 3-4 games? Whereas hardcore gamers buy 3-4 to start with and most major releases hereafter, whether they are gimmicky or not.
 

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Rect Pola said:
Poor Nintendo; if only they had just resisted the urge and made a hardcore system like everybody else. They disrupted the balance and now it's all falling apart.
But who will bring balance to the force? Ermm I mean... The gaming industry?