Japanese Porn Game Lampoons Rape Game Controversy
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Admittedly, I did not read the most-assuredly BS-laden outpouring of indignation by our country's fine politicians regarding eroge, but I don't think that's the crux of the rape-game issue at all. If that line of argument (human rights for video game characters!) became the debate, then by all means, that's just moronic and they deserve to be lambasted.Kalezian said:
I guess what makes me uncomfortable about the entire situation is that rape is one of those few human acts that is pretty much always bad. There are justified reasons to kill and steal. There is even some serious moral debate regarding torture. (Among philosophers, not politicians.) But there's no ethically justifiable reason to rape, ever. It's (at best) cruel punishment (raping a terrible criminal, for example), and at worst a horrendous violation of someone's person. I just can't really think of any way of having rape be a player-initiated action that's not going to be messy.
Maybe this is too serious for this thread, I dunno. I think it's a pretty funny jab on the developer's part, but the underlying issue--player-initiated rape in video games--still leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
The premise of the game is sick and wrong, (giving the player a chance to rape japanese women and children) but that tongue-in-cheek disclaimer brought a tear or two to my eye.
Heh, yeah that's more or less what I meant.Kalezian said:
Violent games aren't controversial because they're crimes against virtual characters, but because they allow the player to play out said crimes (in a virtual environment, sure, but the (poorly substantiated) claim is that such things can lead to the player doing similar things in the real world. The same goes for these rape games; the controversy isn't that virtual characters are being abused, but that this might lead some people to abuse others in real life.
These game makers are acting as if the reason these games are controversial is that they are violating the rights of virtual characters, which is just silly. Not even the Jack Thompsons of this world would make such a claim. As I said, I realise they're probably doing this on purpose just for laughs, but I just wanted to point that out.
The controversy is obviously not over the treatment of fictional characters, it's about what it represents. The same is true of any and all media, the stories are depictions of mostly fictional events however, it is the method and purpose of the work that derives criticism.
For example, it is not illegal to think of commiting a crime but explaining that thought to someone could affect their view of you.
The problem with the game is that it is clearly misogynistic and deals with rape as though it is a subject of entertainment as opposed to a sickening crime against humanity.
For example, it is not illegal to think of commiting a crime but explaining that thought to someone could affect their view of you.
The problem with the game is that it is clearly misogynistic and deals with rape as though it is a subject of entertainment as opposed to a sickening crime against humanity.
You know what's worse than rape? DEATH. Specially murdering innocents, but murdering anyone in general really... How much of that is there in videogames again?spectheintro said:
On my average play of games like Prototype or GTA I likely kill more innocent people than WWII did. According to the same backwards logic that worries most people who give a shit about this kind of thing, I'm very likely a mass murderer. I mean, I've been playing these games for years! If a rape game turns people into rapists, then murder games should turn people into murderers...
...Well shit, I'm not exactly murdering people left and right... It was only that one hooker in the back of the van... And only because she bit me... So much for that theory uh!
There's no reason people shouldn't get to play videogames in which they kill, murder, rape, torture, french kiss or... whatever... It's a game.
Funny enough how some of the world's biggest murderers never got access to videogames! Kind of makes you wonder, maybe if they did they would have taken their frustration out on xXCuntB4g90Xx instead of average Joe next door.
Cheers to the creators of Shinobiryuu, that's hilarious.
I will never understand why some people feel they have the right to decide what should or should not be permitted in electronic entertainment. If you don't like the game, don't buy it.
I will never understand why some people feel they have the right to decide what should or should not be permitted in electronic entertainment. If you don't like the game, don't buy it.
Some people are turned on by rape, fact of life, similar to how most people in this thread (including myself) enjoy slaughtering thousands of people in video games.
Now, unless you can provide some stats that tell me that people 'playing' rape games results in them becoming more likely to rape someone, you're doing a Jack Thompson in basing your viewpoint on assumptions.
Yeah, it would be nicer if rape games didn't exist, but they do, and a decent argument needs to be formed instead of the 'rape is bad and illegal so rape games are bad and should be illegal' rubbish.
Creative freedom and all that.
Oh, and I lol'd at that text.
Now, unless you can provide some stats that tell me that people 'playing' rape games results in them becoming more likely to rape someone, you're doing a Jack Thompson in basing your viewpoint on assumptions.
Yeah, it would be nicer if rape games didn't exist, but they do, and a decent argument needs to be formed instead of the 'rape is bad and illegal so rape games are bad and should be illegal' rubbish.
Creative freedom and all that.
Oh, and I lol'd at that text.
You missed the point of the paragraph you quoted, but go on.Caliostro said:
Now you're making outrageous claims in an attempt to make a point. Nobody said rape games are going to turn people into rapists. Nobody said violent video games are going to make people murderers.
And the argument is immediately thrown out the window if and when a person decides to shoot a bunch of people because of the influence of video games on their life.
There's plenty of reasons. From inconclusive studies on just how video games effect us to moral implications. Oh, you enjoy raping and murdering virtual people for entertainment? What the fuck does that say about you as a person?
How fucked up do you have to be to enjoy entertaining the notion of murder and rape, even if it's simply a simulation? What are you if the rest of the world can get by just fine?
And before you say, "BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIIIIIME!" That's the point I'm making. There's something wrong with you if you get off on these things. Yeah, it's just a simulation, but you're well aware of what it simulates. You're looking forward to it.
It's not about the people, it's about the act. You enjoy getting off on the idea and then the act and that terrifies people.
I enjoy meeting people who think that people who actually have the charisma and dedication to become mass murderers (y'know, like Hitler) would have been swayed in the slightest. Fun fact: if movies and reading didn't sway these people, Call of Duty wouldn't have had any effect.
If you're going to argue that murderers can be fixed by video games, you must accept the opposite. Murderers can be created by video games.
I did read the rest of your post and I do agree to a certain degree but I must say (without trying to offend anyone or start something far too serious for this forum) that not all victims would agree with you there.Caliostro said:
I'm part of an Organisation where a lot of them would say "I would rather have died than have to live with this for the rest of my life." Just a thought.
I do agree with you though that if rape is given such a hard time in a game why isn't murder and God knows what else.
