Japanese Porn Game Lampoons Rape Game Controversy

[DemonicVixen]

haha that is pretty hilarious. I don't see how they get away with it. But maybe that's just because I'm used to living in a 'censored' society where many things are deemed inappropriate

Believe me, though im sure you will have seen them also, i have seen some of thee most awful, disgusting anime rape porn that the japanese can think of and i can see exactly why we or many other countries ban it. Some can be amusing and entertaining if you like that kind of thing, others are plain sick and freaky and down right disturbing.

 

[FFKonoko]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

Not good is a bit of an understatement. Yes, one could argue that there are rapes going unreported. But the point is, its meaningless speculation. You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %. I think that while, yes, there are unreported rapes the number is still not enough for the numbers to match up, even without considering the unreported rapes in America. There is no proof either way so it'll just have to end like that.

I think there is agreement that there is some truly sick stuff out there. If that stuff exacerbates things, serves as an helpful and mostly harmless outlet, or brainwashes respectable people into being sick is a veritable minefield though.

 

[Amnestic]

Some people are turned on by rape, fact of life, similar to how most people in this thread (including myself) enjoy slaughtering thousands of people in video games.

Now, unless you can provide some stats that tell me that people 'playing' rape games results in them becoming more likely to rape someone, you're doing a Jack Thompson in basing your viewpoint on assumptions.

Considering the per capita stats of reported rapes, the U.S. is far worse than Japan. Obviously correlation does not necessarily equal causality, but it's still food for thought.

Edit for Clarification: The U.S. had approximately 18 times more rapes per 100,000 people than Japan in 2002. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#UN_Statistics]

Yes. Virtual rape is generally not pleasant. Actual rape? I'd warrant it's a hell of a lot worse, personally.

I don't know I buy that - the reported statistics are probably true, but I severely doubt the reported rape rate is the same in Japan as in the USA (i.e. fewer raped Japanese women tell the police about it). Whether that accounts for the large different, I don't know. Whether its even true, I can't prove.

Anyway, as for the subject of the OP, I admit its alittle funny, but it does strike me as them missing the point.

Culture could accomodate the fewer reported rapes in Japan to an extent, perhaps, but 18 times? That's a stretch no matter how you look at it.

Honestly? I don't know. In a country where a woman can be dragged off a train, sobbing and begging for help in front of 40 witnesses and raped, I doubt that rape victims really feel like reporting the crime will help - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST17815620070515

(and no, I didn't know about thing before my previous post, I was actually looking for an estimate of report rates in Japan when I encounted this "gem")

The U.S. has gems of its own, I assure you. [http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/27/crimesider/entry5424131.shtml]

Admittedly that one has only 'about 20' witnesses rather than 40, but it illustrates my point. Sick shit is a global thing, be it not helping a woman from a rapist or Glenn Beck's haircut scat pr0n.

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).

I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...

What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

Rape statistics (no matter where you are geographically) are always suspect. Between women who claim rape after regretting consensual sex (and to anyone who does this: Fuck you. You cheapen the women who do get raped and you put a permanent black mark on the men you brand with it.) to those who are raped and never report it, it's almost impossible to get a 100% accurate picture. To go back to my original point which I implied posts ago: Japan doesn't seem to have a higher number of rapes even with these games, and from all the available evidence we can draw the conclusion that at least fewer are reported.

Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Speech are important. When we start banning fiction for having something we don't like, .

I'm still waiting for Lolita to get banned because it has child sex in it.

 

[Doug]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.

And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

 

[FFKonoko]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

We can agree that the numbers show that Japan has lower reported rapes. Sure, there are unreported numbers, but we'll never know the full details of those, so getting into a "My country is less shitty than yours" argument seems kinda...pointless.

 

[Doug]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

Oh, sorry, you misunderstood me, I think - I didn't mean YOU where saying Japan is perfect, I meant there are people here who do act like Japan is some kind of heaven on Earth, nothing bad ever happens there, and so forth.

Ok, Japan isn't rape central. And I don't like these rape games - aside from a personal dislike, I did previously speak against them in another thread around the time of this Amazon incident. I have changed my opinion abit and do think they shouldn't be banned outright - or rather in the US if its not against the law; in the UK, 'extreme porn' is now illegal, so I think such games are illegal.

 

[JaymesFogarty]

The premise of the game is sick and wrong, (giving the player a chance to rape japanese women and children) but that tongue-in-cheek disclaimer brought a tear or two to my eye.

And who are you to decide what is sick and wrong? I don't play rapegames (or any porn games for that matter), but i would not act like some self centered prick if i knew someone who does and attempt to take his porn away from him. It's his fapping time, and he can spent it on whatever the hell he wants.

You're right, who am I to decide what is sick and wrong? I think it is wrong, because in my mind it goes against my moral beliefs (that nothing good can come from raping people, or virtually raping someone) but I am not trying to inflict my beliefs on anyone else. If you want to rape someone in a game, fine with me, I'm not trying to argue.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Ha, that was pretty good.

 

[Amnestic]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

Oh, sorry, you misunderstood me, I think - I didn't mean YOU where saying Japan is perfect, I meant there are people here who do act like Japan is some kind of heaven on Earth, nothing bad ever happens there, and so forth.

Ok, Japan isn't rape central. And I don't like these rape games - aside from a personal dislike, I did previously speak against them in another thread around the time of this Amazon incident. I have changed my opinion abit and do think they shouldn't be banned outright - or rather in the US if its not against the law; in the UK, 'extreme porn' is now illegal, so I think such games are illegal.

Having just read the wiki article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography] on 'extreme' pornography I've deduced two things. First: It's a bullshit law in which someone can be within the realms of legality to film 'extreme porn' but not to own the film.

Second: Their justification seems to be that "the material may often cause serious physical and other harm to those involved in making it; in some cases the participants are clearly the victims of criminal offences".

Unless we really are giving human rights to video game characters (wow, I actually brought this back to the article), I'm not entirely sure the Extreme Pornography law applies to rape games.

Not to mention that, once again, stepping over free expression in favour of censorship. Oh joy.

 

[Dudeakoff]

(and to anyone who does this: Fuck you. You cheapen the women who do get raped and you put a permanent black mark on the men you brand with it.)

I hear that. My cousin got into a long court case when someone cried rape against him. The evidence was massively stacked up against the prosecution (Was in an area where many people could hear her, they walked out holding hands, they were flirting with each other before the sex, she followed him in on her own accord and more). but it still took almost a year of his life and people now see him as a potential rapist.

Adding to the Japanese rape statistics reliability debate, you also have to take into account that Japan is well known for being a lot more gender biased than western societies. But on the other hand, the Japanese have a reasonably low crime rate in general, so you could say the culture is more driven towards obeying the law.

I'm also quite surprised at Canada being quite high up on the rape statistics. Anybody want to tell me what's up with that?

 

[Doug]

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

Oh, sorry, you misunderstood me, I think - I didn't mean YOU where saying Japan is perfect, I meant there are people here who do act like Japan is some kind of heaven on Earth, nothing bad ever happens there, and so forth.

Ok, Japan isn't rape central. And I don't like these rape games - aside from a personal dislike, I did previously speak against them in another thread around the time of this Amazon incident. I have changed my opinion abit and do think they shouldn't be banned outright - or rather in the US if its not against the law; in the UK, 'extreme porn' is now illegal, so I think such games are illegal.

Having just read the wiki article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography] on 'extreme' pornography I've deduced two things. First: It's a bullshit law in which someone can be within the realms of legality to film 'extreme porn' but not to own the film.

Second: Their justification seems to be that "the material may often cause serious physical and other harm to those involved in making it; in some cases the participants are clearly the victims of criminal offences".

Unless we really are giving human rights to video game characters (wow, I actually brought this back to the article), I'm not entirely sure the Extreme Pornography law applies to rape games.

Not to mention that, once again, stepping over free expression in favour of censorship. Oh joy.

Actually, the definition we were told includes acts that appear to be a criminal act. I.e. if it looks like realistic rape on screen, its illegal. Add to that, the law hasn't been defined very well, and frankly I suspect a judge and the civil servants of the CPS are going to split hairs over a rape game.

And yeah, I didn't say it wasn't a bullshit law, I just said it was the law. By the same token, its officially illegal to die in parliament (No, I have no idea where that law came from), although that one falls into the realm of 'somewhat impossible to enforce'.

 

[PS2MAN]

On a serious note Rape is never funny

Legend of the Overfiend disagrees with you.

Legend of the Overfiend is a cosmic horror show.

And it contains the hilarious rape of nurses from a massive octocock that grows so large it destroys a hospital.

Hence rape can be hilarious. It all depends on what is being raped and by what.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

The thing is...

The Japanese have been beaten to the punch by the English Tabloids of all things.

Oh really, is that what you think Zoe? The fact that your views support R. Murdoch while you're nude doesn't mean anything, does it?

 

[Carlston]

We care if they get raped.

But not chainsawed, fireballed, nail guned, head shotted, rpg'd, 203'd, force choked, force lightninged, saber evicerated, and let's not forget Genocide as we have taught 60 years of kids they can murder Germans and it's ok cause they are probley Nazi's, set on fire, pee'd on to put them out (woo postal 2) impaled by Sephiroths sword, crushed under the feet of a mech, die being sucked out into zero gee, thrown in fire, ice, acid, chemical weapons, bio ripped apart by viruses, zombies, and zombie giants with eye balls on their shoulder, and murder young girl for Adam.

But not raped...that's not Kosher.

 

[Amnestic]

The thing is...

The Japanese have been beaten to the punch by the English Tabloids of all things.


Oh really, is that what you think Zoe? The fact that your views support R. Murdoch while you're nude doesn't mean anything, does it?

Doesn't the Sun hate the Labour party now? So we can expect 'Zoe' (IF THAT IS HER REAL NAME) to suddenly change her mind.

People actually read that stuff when there's a half-naked lass to ogle? Bitches be crazy...

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

Oh, sorry, you misunderstood me, I think - I didn't mean YOU where saying Japan is perfect, I meant there are people here who do act like Japan is some kind of heaven on Earth, nothing bad ever happens there, and so forth.

Ok, Japan isn't rape central. And I don't like these rape games - aside from a personal dislike, I did previously speak against them in another thread around the time of this Amazon incident. I have changed my opinion abit and do think they shouldn't be banned outright - or rather in the US if its not against the law; in the UK, 'extreme porn' is now illegal, so I think such games are illegal.

Having just read the wiki article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography] on 'extreme' pornography I've deduced two things. First: It's a bullshit law in which someone can be within the realms of legality to film 'extreme porn' but not to own the film.

Second: Their justification seems to be that "the material may often cause serious physical and other harm to those involved in making it; in some cases the participants are clearly the victims of criminal offences".

Unless we really are giving human rights to video game characters (wow, I actually brought this back to the article), I'm not entirely sure the Extreme Pornography law applies to rape games.

Not to mention that, once again, stepping over free expression in favour of censorship. Oh joy.

Actually, the definition we were told includes acts that appear to be a criminal act. I.e. if it looks like realistic rape on screen, its illegal. Add to that, the law hasn't been defined very well, and frankly I suspect a judge and the civil servants of the CPS are going to split hairs over a rape game.

And yeah, I didn't say it wasn't a bullshit law, I just said it was the law. By the same token, its officially illegal to die in parliament (No, I have no idea where that law came from), although that one falls into the realm of 'somewhat impossible to enforce'.

Again and again I'm convinced that I could do some good on the political scene...
Maximillian Thermidor, Future Prime Minister.

You heard it here first second third.

 

[Hallow'sEve]

LOL, awesome! I would happily buy this game!

 

[Hallow'sEve]

I'm also quite surprised at Canada being quite high up on the rape statistics. Anybody want to tell me what's up with that?

Probably nothing else to do, like how alcoholism and suicide is way high in Alaska.

 

[Doug]

The thing is...

The Japanese have been beaten to the punch by the English Tabloids of all things.


Oh really, is that what you think Zoe? The fact that your views support R. Murdoch while you're nude doesn't mean anything, does it?

Doesn't the Sun hate the Labour party now? So we can expect 'Zoe' (IF THAT IS HER REAL NAME) to suddenly change her mind.

People actually read that stuff when there's a half-naked lass to ogle? Bitches be crazy...

Spoiler: Space saver

Hmm, well, thats not good either. Though I don't believe that Japan is so much better than the US. Cus, if official statistics are to be believed, Saudi Arabia has the lowest rape rate [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita] out of 65 nations that are listed (I'm guessing their countries that keep good records of crime reports).
I doubt this is true, because, well, the Saudi's aren't known for women's rights, and frankly, I don't think they count husbands/boyfriends raping and/or beating their wives into submission...
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that the Japanese are so much better than the West like everyone tries to make out, and that simply citing the low reported rape rates doesn't prove the actual number of rapes is low in Japan.

You want Japan to be worse, so think that the reported number is a tiny %.

Honestly, no. I just want the people who constantly site how much better Japan is than Western countries to get there heads out of their arses and stop quoting the official figures for reported rapes as if the few rapes that do get reported are all that there is.
And yeah, I acknowledge that alot of women in the west are raped and don't report it; in all probably, the majority of rape victims don't. I'm just sick and tried of some people acting like Japan is some sort of perfect society where rape/murder/etc is ultra low and the West is oh so shit.

Except...I actually agree that the % of unreported rapes in Japan is probably higher than in the US. BUT I think that its still not enough to change the ranking. I'm not saying Japan is perfect, far from it.
Problem here is that there are people who are defensively pointing out that despite certain assumptions, Japan ISN'T rape central despite the rape games. The potential that Japan actually has lower levels than it would otherwise have WITOUT the rape games in an intriguing one.
But then, you take that personally and get defensive in return. See the problem? Kinda a circle there...

Oh, sorry, you misunderstood me, I think - I didn't mean YOU where saying Japan is perfect, I meant there are people here who do act like Japan is some kind of heaven on Earth, nothing bad ever happens there, and so forth.

Ok, Japan isn't rape central. And I don't like these rape games - aside from a personal dislike, I did previously speak against them in another thread around the time of this Amazon incident. I have changed my opinion abit and do think they shouldn't be banned outright - or rather in the US if its not against the law; in the UK, 'extreme porn' is now illegal, so I think such games are illegal.

Having just read the wiki article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography] on 'extreme' pornography I've deduced two things. First: It's a bullshit law in which someone can be within the realms of legality to film 'extreme porn' but not to own the film.

Second: Their justification seems to be that "the material may often cause serious physical and other harm to those involved in making it; in some cases the participants are clearly the victims of criminal offences".

Unless we really are giving human rights to video game characters (wow, I actually brought this back to the article), I'm not entirely sure the Extreme Pornography law applies to rape games.

Not to mention that, once again, stepping over free expression in favour of censorship. Oh joy.

Actually, the definition we were told includes acts that appear to be a criminal act. I.e. if it looks like realistic rape on screen, its illegal. Add to that, the law hasn't been defined very well, and frankly I suspect a judge and the civil servants of the CPS are going to split hairs over a rape game.

And yeah, I didn't say it wasn't a bullshit law, I just said it was the law. By the same token, its officially illegal to die in parliament (No, I have no idea where that law came from), although that one falls into the realm of 'somewhat impossible to enforce'.

Again and again I'm convinced that I could do some good on the political scene...

Piers Andrews, Future Prime Minister.

You heard it here first second third.

Well, you say that, but I think nobody can do a good job in politics anymore. If you actually do shit, the media crucify you for not doing things the way they want and/or get people who don't like you to speak out. If you don't do stuff and focus on the media (a.k.a. Mr Tony 'Special Relationship' Blair), you get crucified for being useless.

Either way, your buggered. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Amnestic]

Well, you say that, but I think nobody can do a good job in politics anymore. If you actually do shit, the media crucify you for not doing things the way they want and/or get people who don't like you to speak out. If you don't do stuff and focus on the media (a.k.a. Mr Tony 'Special Relationship' Blair), you get crucified for being useless.

Either way, your buggered. Maybe I'm wrong.

I only need to keep people happy enough to not provoke a vote of no confidence. As long as I can still get shit done, doesn't matter what the media thinks. No PM is in office forever.

Of course, whether or not I can get shit done remains to be seen.

It's funny - and a little sad - how the media can simultaneously hate Blair for being useless and not doing anything while still crucifying him for running the country into the ground with all the changes and decisions he made.

Oh, and I don't like rapes games, but I'll defend to death their right to make and sell them.

I'm still on topic!