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NeutralDrow said:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
4. The quran calls to kill anyone who insults the prophet Mohammad. Bukhari (4:241)
...what are you citing? I have a Qur'an in front of me, and Surah 4 only goes up to 176.
Apparently nothing.. i'm just going to stay out of political debates.
 

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Immsys said:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/

Before everyone jumps on the ol' bandwagon, I highly recommend reading some of Charlie Hebdo's cartoons and their general attitude towards Islam in general, both of which can be found in the article linked. Obviously I don't condone the shooting up of any journalists or their place of work, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of CH's work is racist and that "solidarity" with them is not exactly what we need.
While I don't disagree with the level headed reality of what you are saying, there is a certain logical middle ground that isn't being reached here.

I think we can all agree on one point: Fuck the people who did this.

Now on showing solidarity I am a little bit more inclined to think that right now what they said and did was offensive and maybe shouldn't be lauded in any particular way, but at the same time there is this concept of the "Right to offend" that is worth protecting. And I think MovieBob for once in close to a year is right about exactly that, that this is an all or nothing game. Either some speech is protected or none of it is. So yeah maybe you're right, maybe everyone is wrong, but this case in all its due nuance falls under that old saying "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

No one AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should live in fear just based on their words and thoughts. That is not the kind of world I am ok with living in.

There are a lot of monsters in this world, and I'll be damned if I am going to sit there and remotely sound like I give the slightest inch to what free speech needs to mean to us. We are constantly approaching a world where people believe they have the right to not be offended, but I don't think anyone should have this right. It's not going to solve inequality. It's not going to solve anything. I have infinitely more sympathy for a man or woman who murders their spouse for cheating than I do some fucking nut job who quite literally can't take a joke to the point where he needs to kill people. Lock him up and throw away the key.