Jim & Yahtzee's Rhymedown Spectacular: Whine Out Of Ten
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OT, thanks Jim & Yahtzee for brightening my Wednesday!A had to laugh at that last line in Jim's poem. I guess that's one of the arguments that the fanboys are pulling out, eh? "This part of the game isn't bad, because it's satire"?
In any case, I agree that the scoring system really has lost all sense of meaning, where 9s and 10s are constantly handed out so you get the feeling that anything less than a 8.5 isn't even worth bothering with. I mean, you're allowed to not like someone's else's opinion on your favorite game, but calm the fuck down, people. We're allowed to not think your favorite game is as perfect as you think it is (also remembering that many of the whiners haven't even played the damn thing to form their own perfect opinion of it anyway).
Thank god for you, Jim.
Oh and Ben, that was amazing too. Game devs need to make sure that the gameplay and storytelling aren't at odds with each other to be taken seriously. That said, there ARE benefits in just losing your rag in a sandbox game without having to deal with the consequences...
In any case, I agree that the scoring system really has lost all sense of meaning, where 9s and 10s are constantly handed out so you get the feeling that anything less than a 8.5 isn't even worth bothering with. I mean, you're allowed to not like someone's else's opinion on your favorite game, but calm the fuck down, people. We're allowed to not think your favorite game is as perfect as you think it is (also remembering that many of the whiners haven't even played the damn thing to form their own perfect opinion of it anyway).
Thank god for you, Jim.
Oh and Ben, that was amazing too. Game devs need to make sure that the gameplay and storytelling aren't at odds with each other to be taken seriously. That said, there ARE benefits in just losing your rag in a sandbox game without having to deal with the consequences...
"Fuck you for that, and fuck you for this" sounds like the start of my new favorite 'I'm breaking up with you' poem.
I love how many games the LND bit could work with. Pretty much most sandboxes, really.
I love how many games the LND bit could work with. Pretty much most sandboxes, really.
I think the biggest issue you'd run into if the scores were abolished would be that a lot of people wouldn't bother looking up reviews at all. How many of the people in uproar over a 9/10 do you think actually read the review and didn't just skip to the end for a numeric representation of a personal opinion about a complex experience?Goliath100 said:
EDIT: I should say "usually" complex experience because while a lot of games give you both pros and cons to weigh into your opinion there are certainly games that don't deserve/need much time to make up your mind.
OT: So at least Saints Row has always been a lot more coherant in its narrative and gameplay compared to recent GTA titles, as strange as that can be to believe.
Bothe excellent poems, Yahtzee and Jim! Jim came firing out of the gate at those unpleaseable fanbois who can't take criticism of any form, and Yahtzee dazzled us all with his take ludonaruto disasterporn, or whatever it's called. Can the Escapist have a theme week around that? Have Bob give his $0.02 on it in The Big Picture, they could rip on it in Critical Miss, get the LRR crew to write a sketch ripping on it, that sort of thing.
I forgot which game it was, but he gave it a 4, "as in 'FOURK YOU!'"Evonisia said:
I thought he was more of a "puckish rogue", but tomato/to-mah-to.Jandau said:
Might have been the mailbag zp after the Smash Bros critique.Darth_Payn said:
Oh, he also gave Wolfenstein(remake) 2 stars (Love that review. Impressive insight within the limits of limerick structure)
BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Oh, oh dear gods that was good. Yahtzee, Jim, please tell me you're going to release an album of this deliciously lunatic verse. This must be allowed to infect the parts of the planet that don't have the Internet.
Oh, oh dear gods that was good. Yahtzee, Jim, please tell me you're going to release an album of this deliciously lunatic verse. This must be allowed to infect the parts of the planet that don't have the Internet.
When the heck did Lundonarrative Dissonance become a thing? I'd never heard the phrase until Jim mentioned it. Well I understood the concept, that the story narrative is at odds with the characters other actions in game. But wasn't the phrase "The story narrative is at odds with the characters other actions in game" good enough? Why did someone think we needed a new phrase that sounds more like something from an out of touch hipster's review of a new style of music and trying to pretend he totally understands it?
And Jim, I totally dig the sinister under-lighting. It totally gives off the "now gather round and listen to this spooky story" vibe.
And Jim, I totally dig the sinister under-lighting. It totally gives off the "now gather round and listen to this spooky story" vibe.
I think Jim missed the point about the whole gamespot controversy, is not because the 9 out of 10. Is because the reviewer said that the game was, and i quote "Politically muddled and profoundly misogynistic" and that why people are so mad against Her review. Instead of making and objective review of the videogame and judged GTAV on both its merits and failings, she took her review and shove her political agenda on it.
She made some valid criticism like "the characters are sometimes inconsistent". but instead of keeping the review like that aka professional, she had to bring up the "Misogynistic", the problem with the whole "Politically muddled and profoundly misogynistic" is that GTAV is a complete satire of the American Culture and especially of the Hollywood culture.
TL DR: People are not mad because the 9/10, they are mad because she shove political agenda in the review to lower the score of the game instead of valid criticism.
Are some idiots overreacting? Of course, is the internet, people overreact to everything on the internet and send death threads all the time about everything. Get used to it because is not going away.
She made some valid criticism like "the characters are sometimes inconsistent". but instead of keeping the review like that aka professional, she had to bring up the "Misogynistic", the problem with the whole "Politically muddled and profoundly misogynistic" is that GTAV is a complete satire of the American Culture and especially of the Hollywood culture.
TL DR: People are not mad because the 9/10, they are mad because she shove political agenda in the review to lower the score of the game instead of valid criticism.
Are some idiots overreacting? Of course, is the internet, people overreact to everything on the internet and send death threads all the time about everything. Get used to it because is not going away.
Personally, I think that ratings should be less like school grades (i.e. a 7 is just a "passing" average game, and anything from 6 on down is either a D or an F) and more like Angry Joe's ratings - he actually makes a 5/10 for a completely average game, with 6-7/10 having just enough interesting ideas to stand above the pack, 8-10/10 being the varying degrees of awesomeness that awesome games are (meaning no fanboys flipping the fuck out when their fav-game gets a 9/10 - at least, in theory), and only leaving the 4-1/10 for "the REALLY bad games you shouldn't waste your time with".
P.S. Jim hit this one out of the park, and I frankly wish more of his Rhymedowns are in full-on "Jimquisition" mode. Also love Yahtzee for his display of how "Ludonarrative Dissonance" (which I personally equate with bullshit-jargon for masking trollish insults) is REALLY shown in games. Keep up the good work you two!
P.S. Jim hit this one out of the park, and I frankly wish more of his Rhymedowns are in full-on "Jimquisition" mode. Also love Yahtzee for his display of how "Ludonarrative Dissonance" (which I personally equate with bullshit-jargon for masking trollish insults) is REALLY shown in games. Keep up the good work you two!
