Darknacht said:
Therumancer said:
If this is a joke, the devs should understand totally screwing people isn't funny. Things like "Goat Simulator" kind of show how to do it right.
Go look at the games steam page before you judge how much you think its screwing people, its very obvious that its a joke even if its a bad one and its actually funny to play and laugh at. The dev really should not be lying and censoring people though I suspect that he is doing it for kicks and attention more than anything else, after all if people like Jim did not freak out about the game than no one would know about it. I suspect steam has not pulled it yet because its clearly a joke and some people do enjoy playing the absurd game. The bigger problem isn't that Steam is not pulling the game or that he is trolling his customers but that steam gives devs the ability to censor people and that they ignore reports of deceptive game descriptions(although this game putting "Try the best flight simulation in the history of computer games today!" as its description really isn't any more deceptive what many big budget games do).
A fair point, but that's a problem inherent in free speech not being protected against other citizens. On a private forum, the forum owner can choose to censor whatever they want and represent it however they want. That shouldn't be legal, citizens having more power over other citizens than elected officials, and I'm been saying so for many years now, but it is.
At the end of the day Valve is a business, no matter how well loved they are. They want to sell games, and attract developers, as such they have a vested interest in not hosting tons of negative reviews. You see similar things on Amazon, Drivethru RPG, and other business sites all the time. Ideally you'd think this kind of deception would lead to customers turning on the sites, but it doesn't happen, especially as today's digital sales sites hook their customers. If you say own 100+ games on STEAM it's not likely that your going to stop using STEAM based on them allowing developers to lie about your products, you'll complain about it like your seeing now, but you won't actually do anything, and inevitably your going to probably still buy from them just to keep your games organized in one general place, and not having to juggle multiple services/distribution platforms.
You are 100% correct, but it comes down to a much larger issue, and one that gets very touchy. The thing about laws is that they have to be universal, the law cannot be subjective. The counter-argument is that if the government DID protect free speech from other citizens, which I feel is the lesser of evils, it would give spammers a free reign, and it also means people are able to talk smack and malign you on your own, personal, forums which is something people can agree with when it comes to a company pushing a defective product, but takes on a different life when you consider that people could call your personal website and fill it with nothing but negative stuff about you.
At the end of the day, as I said, I feel the proper course is to simply make communications a "free fire" zone entirely and to disallow citizens from censoring other citizens, but it's not as straightforward as it sounds and something that inspires a lot of discussion and debate. In the end, I don't think it will ever happen, largely because media companies that make a living based on controlling forums would never allow it, and the BIG crooked businesses that rely on information control are of course going to be donating big bucks to the politicians. The little players like "Killjoy" just get to benefit from it.
This also means that I think STEAM knows what's going on and what the issues are, it just doesn't much care, which is why things like this continue and It takes days for responses even when there are huge numbers of complains. People might like Gabe and his company, but at the end of the day your still dealing with one of the biggest online
businesses there is, and it's all about the money, and frankly with the situation they have created for themselves the bigger a customer you are, the more toothless you are because the more you already rely on their service and them to provide products you've purchased. As a lot of critics have pointed out STEAM has huge numbers of gamers by the balls, and while it's not as ruthless as it could be, it's well aware of that fact.