Jimquisition: BOYCOTT!
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Absolutlely spot on with this episode. There are too many gamers out there who overreact to changes in popular series, and this excess has led to a lot of others who immediately dismiss legitimate complaints as fanboy-isms. Well called.
I've been a member of WWE Smackdown video game boards for years, and I bet you everyone who says "it's just the same old ****" ends up buying it anyway due to lack of competition. They cling to 10 year old models like No Mercy as some holy grail, and if it doesn't have "branching text based stories," or "proper physics," they just pan the new game weeks before release. Yes, THQ lies all the time, but I've never felt the games denied me enough enjoyment. I play it 200+ days a year, so it's not something I can just throw in the towel. That is unless they bring back female weapon restrictions from a few years ago...that was the worst decision ever.
That handful of gamers yelling boycott and actually going through with it (unlike most), never make any difference.
There can be no boycott if it isn't organized.
More importantly, for most of us there can be multiple reasons not to buy game X. I cannot say for example I boycotted Spore for use of intrusive DRM, because I never had any interest in that crappy game in the first place.
There can be no boycott if it isn't organized.
More importantly, for most of us there can be multiple reasons not to buy game X. I cannot say for example I boycotted Spore for use of intrusive DRM, because I never had any interest in that crappy game in the first place.
I am NOT buying Diablo 3 nor any of Starcraft 2 parts 1/2/3 due to Blizzard's (and Activision's) poor business practices. I am not paying full price for a third of a game, I am not buying a single-player experience that requires me to always be online just so they can be secure in digital rights that fuck the consumer. And I certainly am not going to be a gold farmer for Blizzard and pay them more for nonexistant bling.
I call it a boycott, but others my disagree. In any case, Blizzard games are on my do not buy list.
I call it a boycott, but others my disagree. In any case, Blizzard games are on my do not buy list.
Thank you Jim. Thank you. I am so sick of every one wanting to Boycott over the most stupid shit. None of it is for good reason.
I agree on nearly all points ( the L4D2 boycott was one of the justified ones at the time)
Many gamers jump to boycott so often that the industry doesn't take it seriously anymore. And that's a big problem.
Many gamers jump to boycott so often that the industry doesn't take it seriously anymore. And that's a big problem.
Did you watch the show? He made an appeal to people who say this kind of thing. That some boycotts are needed and should not be quick to be dismissed.
*applause*
Well said. If someone doesn't like something, they can choose not to get it, but they shouldn't scream boycott over everything, especially if they're just gonna turn around and get it anyway.
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Oh, and BTW. The physics of Sonic 4 WERE borked. Specifically the spindash physics (I didn't mind the floaty jumps. The spindash was the big problem for me). I have an ingrained habit of tapping down when going down a hill or a loop in 2D sonic, because in all the old games, it makes you go in to a ball and accelerate.
In sonic 4, curling into a ball when going down a hill SLOWED YOU DOWN. Not nly does this not make sense, but it contradicts a very important instinct I have learned over YEARS of playing sonic 3 and Knuckles (even doing a speedrun for a contest).
...that said, I still liked Sonic 4. I have no plans to boycott Episode 2. Even if they don't fix those stupid spindash physics (although Sonic Generations did it right in the demo. I was happy about that)
Well said. If someone doesn't like something, they can choose not to get it, but they shouldn't scream boycott over everything, especially if they're just gonna turn around and get it anyway.
Mildly-partially-maybe-related-to-topic:
Oh, and BTW. The physics of Sonic 4 WERE borked. Specifically the spindash physics (I didn't mind the floaty jumps. The spindash was the big problem for me). I have an ingrained habit of tapping down when going down a hill or a loop in 2D sonic, because in all the old games, it makes you go in to a ball and accelerate.
In sonic 4, curling into a ball when going down a hill SLOWED YOU DOWN. Not nly does this not make sense, but it contradicts a very important instinct I have learned over YEARS of playing sonic 3 and Knuckles (even doing a speedrun for a contest).
...that said, I still liked Sonic 4. I have no plans to boycott Episode 2. Even if they don't fix those stupid spindash physics (although Sonic Generations did it right in the demo. I was happy about that)
I like your arguement, except the parts where you're wrong.Plazmatic said:
Left 4 Dead 2 wasn't the same as L4D. Saying so is like complaining about any sequel being the same as the game its based off of. Thats kinda the point of sequels. A lot of the changes done to L4D2 were under the hood. They changed how the Director worked, modified the engine to allow for different features (branching pathes, new melee system, modifiers and deviations from the standard L4D weapon/health system, enhanced matchmaking features), etc. You could argue they could do that in a single update, but I'd then have to ask you why you're being so self entitled. They made a lot of updates in L4D2, people are just bitching because it used the same engine. Its literally the same arguement ignorant people use to complain about Pokemon. "They're all the same" - if you don't know what you're talking about. "They don't add any significant features with each iteration" - if you've never bothered to pick up a copy of the game.
Last time I checked, the Studio that made L4D is STILL creating content, and tweaking content for both games. The original doesn't see as much traffic anymore - its how Halo 3 is to Halo Reach.
Also, the point of the boycott was to tell Valve this would not pass as a fully priced retail game. If you look at the facts and the sales chart, it sold well. And even the creator of the biggest boycott against Valve visited their HQ, played the game, and said "this was actually pretty good". The L4D boycott was an embarassment.
My thoughts exactly, perhaps in the past I've been put off by the intro portion that got paraphrased in this episode.DJDarque said:
I have to admit that I'm somewhat in the Apathy camp here, but I think that's because of the nature of the entertainment industry versus, say, the retail industry. It's very easy to boycott, say, Walmart when you can go to a different store to do all the shopping you would have done there, but each video game is unique, and even if other games are in the same genre you can't call them the same. If I want to boycott a video game (or a video game company), it means that I definitively cannot obtain the game they're making, I can't just shop for it somewhere else.
So someone would have to make a damn good argument if I were to boycott the release of a game I wanted.
That's more or less the tone the show has taken ever since the first two episodes. He still begins and ends with his characteristic shit-eating grin, but he dropped a lot of needless profanity and found a more comfortable format quickly. Watch the one on the PSN outage, I almost gave a standing ovation for his first suggestion.DJDarque said:
As for the episode: Yeah, I'm totally onboard with this one. Sonic 4 is one of those games that'll get no ends of complaints from me, but my complaints were always just that: complaints. I was never so butt-hurt over it that I was going to try and raise a collective middle finger against Sega for it, I just didn't think it was good and wasn't going to buy it. Yet when I raise this opinion even today there's a ton of people--plenty of whom didn't lay their hands on the demo, much less buy the game--who treat it like a declaration of war, all because of the pissing and moaning that over-sensitive fans raised over the most impotent and stupid of details in this relatively inconsequential game. Attitudes like this make it very difficult to raise meaningful discussion...
The Point with Fallout 3 fitted Perfectly into the Time when I was on a Fallout Site.
Merely 1/2 of the users where bitching, because it wasn't anymore ISO perspective, but endet up playing it anyway cause you know... it aint 1997 since a while.
Some of those Boycotts... Urgh.
Never had to do one actually since my tight wallet doen't let me buy stuff that I just got poked by the side of instead of buying what could be intresting.
Merely 1/2 of the users where bitching, because it wasn't anymore ISO perspective, but endet up playing it anyway cause you know... it aint 1997 since a while.
Some of those Boycotts... Urgh.
Never had to do one actually since my tight wallet doen't let me buy stuff that I just got poked by the side of instead of buying what could be intresting.
Wow, this issue was so important to Jim that he stuck all the usual stuff, even his "Thank God for me" at the beginning so he can spend the rest of the episode talking about the world "boycott". I never specifically used the world, but I do remember saying I'm not going to buy Super Smash Bros. Brawl if it only had 35 characters... Which was stupid. I do see this often, though, and I hate how people have been desensitized to it.