Um, who/what are you taking about? Did they just post "Why?" and nothing else?Goliath100 said:Am I the only one finding it ironic that Sterling is making an argument about censorship on a website that remove your comment for simply asking "Why"?
Dude, you can't advertise on the side without paying them. That's what the other people who advertise did (that or they are partnered with/work with the site/people).Mikeyfell said:yeah, censoring criticism sucks. like implementing a CoC that banns people for publicly airing their grievances with how something is done.
you will not Escape the wrath of the guy who advertised his personal Youtube channel on the Escapist!
Thank God for Jim
You got a point there, certainly. It's why I don't really like Jim's "Best of Greenlight" series.Carnagath said:To be fair, Best of Steam Greenlight is not criticism. It's comedy. It's pisstaking. I'm not saying that justifies abuse of Youtube's system, but when your content consists of taking the piss out of someone else's work without any constructive analysis, then I feel it would be best to be a bit more mild about potential backlash, kind of like what Retsupurae does with their content (they take it down themselves immediately if the target objects to it).
Any studio is at much at risk of turning out to be evil as any other. It's just that the ones who have made it big are more likely to get away with it because they have so many fans left who won't call them on their shit. And are less likely to specifically try to censor criticism, for the same reason. One bad review that gets a lot of attention can destroy a brand-new indie studio, whereas tons of people will still buy EA's games because their target market is already mostly people with bad taste. And even EA was caught banning people from Origin - locking them out of their games as well as the community - for something as simple as trying to find workarounds for bugs. But like I said, big company = able to get away with it.Darth_Payn said:I had no idea indie debs could pull such heinous bullshit! I'm more used to the Big Publishers Bad / Indie Studios Good dichotomy (that you yourself have drilled into my mind), but It's surprising to learn it's not that black-and-white after all.
Who said anything about my channel?Imp Emissary said:Dude, you can't advertise on the side without paying them. That's what the other people who advertise did (that or they are partnered with/work with the site/people).Mikeyfell said:yeah, censoring criticism sucks. like implementing a CoC that banns people for publicly airing their grievances with how something is done.
you will not Escape the wrath of the guy who advertised his personal Youtube channel on the Escapist!
Thank God for Jim
If you didn't pay them to show off stuff from your channel, they don't have to let it stay there. That isn't censorship, that's business.
Unless your channel is un-monetized. Then I could understand your grievance.
According to Reddit, that video is full of crap. So maybe things are not as they seem.Zulnam said:Hey Jim, great episode, as per usual.
Just wanted to ask if you were going to make an episode regarding the Everquest Landmark title (which is in beta), seeing as it is apparently one, big, fiasco. Would love to hear your opinion on the matter.
Here's a review about it to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA97SqR9jvY#
I so forsee Angry Joe taking advantage of that to mock Cobra studios. (If he hasn't already.) Those who have seen some of his reviews know what I'm talking about. EDIT: And direkiller beat me to the punch on that point.tm96 said:Did anyone think of Cobra (GI Joe)? Cobra studios could be a an attempt by Cobra commander to take over the world through video games. Man that sounds stupid.
OT: Censorship on the internet won't work unless the individual doing it controls it as well. So yeah we maybe hearing stories of indie devs behaving like this for a long time.
Sadly, I'm doubt the people Jim is going after are interested in even putting out good games, let alone improving.Mikeyfell said:If indy devs keep deleting criticism they'll just create an echo chamber of yes-men and people who don't know that they're being pushed around by an oppressive system, and if they keep getting away with it they'll never improve.
True. You didn't say it was yours. However, when you say something like: "you will not Escape the wrath of the guy who advertized his personal Youtube channel on the Escapist!"Mikeyfell said:Who said anything about my channel?
Who said I have a channel?
As I said, they get to advertise things because they work for the site. Kind of like how employees are able to give out personal business cards.Mikeyfell said:I see links to Youtube videos on the Escapist all the time.
Hell I've posted links to Youtube videos and never got in trouble for it.
It's only fair that Jim can do the same.
The content creators following the same rules as the audience is fair.
You're being a bit vague. Did this person complain about not being able to advertise, or did they just advertise?Mikeyfell said:Banning people from commenting just because they have a legitimate grievance with the way something works is just kind of shitty.
Just like Jim said in at least 4 videos
I'm just surprised that more people haven't caught on that that's a really shitty business practice that should be done away with.