Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

Strazdas

Robots will replace your job
May 28, 2011
8,407
0
0
I knew both real nerd girs and fake nerd girls and.... thier all human. the fake nerd girs are as good as fake anything else. posers are posers, and that alsoways brings contraversy, but thats imply their own insecurity.

P.S. just to point out: yes they did cancel my precious firefly.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

Be the Leaf
Mar 16, 2011
6,157
0
0
Smilomaniac said:
AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

longboardfan said:
How are these things hurting the gaming industry exactly, by making them a more inclusive and less sexist place?

How dare you push you way into a female space like My Little Pony and start making demands that the characters conform more to your male ideals! Yeah see how ridiculous that sounds?

Gaming doesn't belong to men any more than books or film so stop acting like we are some sort of new found plague when a lot of us have been gaming for 25 years or more okay?

We aren't interested in geeky stuff because of YOU we are interested because we enjoy it. Wanting to make changes and fighting for those changes just means we care about the medium.
 

IndomitableSam

New member
Sep 6, 2011
1,290
0
0
I'd add my few cents to the argument... but I'm just too tired.

I still get odd looks from guys when they see my N7 bag or I talk about games. Sometimes. Other times, they're excited to discuss them with me.

Most of the time? Nothing happens. Gaming culture is regular life now. People don't care. ... At least when you're an adult.

I have, however, had to justify myself many tmes... and sometimes still feel like I need to when I really don't.

At this point in my life, I don't really care. If a girl needs the attention of guys by faking an interest in something - fine. Part of me will viciously hate her because she's prettier than I am (women never grow out of this), but, honestly... I'm wherever I am because I enjoy the content... not because I want guys to notice me.

Went to our local comic-con a few weeks ago - by myself after work - and wandered the booths for a bit. I was one of the older women there (at 29, kinda sad), and didn't get any weird looks. That I noticed. I noticed a few girls dressed to garner attention, and some dressed because they loved the medium. ...

Anyway, if a girl needs guys to stare at her boobs while dressed up as Misty or Samus to feel good about herself, not my problem. I'm not there for the guys either. And any guy who would pick boobs over someone genuinely interested in the topic isn't worth anyone's time.
 

zaion

New member
Nov 19, 2012
12
0
0
Never thought i would say this jim but, you're missing the point entirely.

the issue most people have with "fake nerd girls" isn't so much that they feel threatened by them but rather that they tend to be insulted by them. the examples i have seen are those that do the facebook posts of "i'm such a nerd lol" yet have no knowledge about gaming or anything related to what they claim to be, which in general starts a distrust of any body who claims to be a nerd or a gamer. some of these girls even go to the lengths of doing what i mentioned before and then getting nasty towards anyone who tries to start a gaming related conversation (ex: Girl: "i'm such a nerd lol." Guy: "ah so are you going to be watching e3?" Girl: "what?" Guy:"the big gaming convention this summer." Girl: "shut up and get a life" (seriously, that actually happened last summer))

this isn't even restricted to the female population, it's just more common (combine nerd population nearby and an attention whore) as well as more advertised. Men are still not excluded from being called a poser but those that do tend to not advertise what they are posing as, as much, and don't give many people a chance to call them out.

In general the issue is just that people who don't know anything or just don't care about gaming will still act like it because they think they can make friends that way when it really just pisses people off.
 

Anchupom

In it for the Pub Club cookies
Apr 15, 2009
779
0
0
"Fake Nerd/Gamer Girls" frustrate me about as much as "Fake Nerd/Gamer Guys" in that I'm desperate for social interaction beyond the odd in-game chat online, and when I try to talk to these people about what I assume will be common ground, I get blank looks at best and unmasked amusement at worst. It's doing damage to my already severely crippled social skills that isn't very easily repaired.
 

wulfy42

New member
Jan 29, 2009
771
0
0
Actually fake gamer girls is a real problem, although it's not just games/shows that they pretend to like. It's also not just girls that pretend to like things while dating someone, and then stop after marriage either.

I was quite honest in my likes and dislikes when I was dating my wife. She knew what she was getting. I burped after eating sometimes (generally because I ate very fast)..and let her know I wasn't planning on changing much (although over the years...married 12+ now...I have slowed down more to her speed) and I let her know I had no interest in her cooking shows and decorating shows.


My wife on the other hand pretended to like video games and many of the more "nerd like" shows (not anime mind you but super hero movies/shows etc). She didn't just INSTANTLY stop pretending once we got married...and she still plays video games, just she plays casual games (like bejewled and word games) instead of the rpgs/shooting games etc she pretended to like when we dated.

I did not realize this for along time even though she played them less and less and it didn't occur to me that she was pretending before. It wasn't till years later that I realized she had never liked them and didn't just become un-interested in them.

I love my wife mind you, but one of the things I felt like I was super lucky to have meet her about was that she also enjoyed my favorite hobby (video games). It was something we did together alot in the first few years (Especially light gun games).

Sex is great, but honestly I almost enjoyed playing video games with her more and I still feel a bit sad that we rarely play anything together (I just got an Ipad 2 so we could play her kind of games together at least...but we have just ended up playing different games side by side instead so far).

Anyway, pretending to like something to get together with someone (male or female) is nothing new. I must admit I get jelous when I hear of other people in a relationship with gamer girls though....it may seem superficial but it has been my favorite form of recreation and it is something I want to share with my wife.

We do still watch "nerdish" shows together at least (I also watch some of her type of shows..though not the cooking/decorating ones). We watch The walking dead and Once apon a time for instance....but also watch Law and Order SVU ....and we have common ground in many comedies (the middle, modern family etc).

I really think the whole "pretend you like something" is a horrible way to start a long term relationship though and "fake gamer girls" isn't really a funny matter.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

Be the Leaf
Mar 16, 2011
6,157
0
0
Smilomaniac said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.
This is why we can't have nice things :)
Well then, feel free to feed the trolls and let's see how much better it'll progress, shall we?
I'm just kind of disappointed with the general direction of this thread, it's depressing.
 

PunkRex

New member
Feb 19, 2010
2,533
0
0
Im really getting sick of all this in-fighting in gaming lately but I suppose thats what happens when something becomes so popular. I don't know a single person (okay, maybe my nan) whos never tried a video game. Im sick to death of people in gaming thinking their so fucking special. I understand that things get 'weird' when an artistic medium meets buisness and its the reason I hang out on sites like this to try and help maintain a certain level of credability but... its getting really fucking petty...

I think im alright to look at, not the best stallion on offer but okay. I go to the gym regulary (3-4 times a week) in a bid to 'improve' myself. Im not doing this for anyone besides me, I aspire to work hard and live healthy but oh no, God forbid, I make someone feel uncomfortable! I like games, I like anime/manga, I LOVE CARTOONS!!! Why should anyone have to justify themselves? Ive seen plenty of muscular guys (far larger then myself) rocking Superman shirts at comic conventions and you know what? GOOD ON THEM, I know how hard it is to look like that, if they want to combine that with their love of comics (be it real or not) then I couldn't give a shit. People need to grow the fuck up and just learn to be comfortable with themselves... unless your NOT comfortable with yourself... and maybe your lashing out at others because you want to drag them down to your level... fucking pathetic.

I understand it irritating when your out and about and this shit gets shoved in your face (sexy posters and what not) but when its just a person doing their own thing then whats the problem? I guess I just don't see HOW its hurting the industry, this stuffs in every industry, its not exactly an excuse I know but why the witch hunt? Just seems babyish, ignore it.
 

OniSuika

New member
Jul 11, 2009
284
0
0
For me, I'm afraid, yes this is an issue. Not one to get angry about, but one first hand experience has left me somewhat exasperated of. Many attractive girls (and some guys I'm sure, but I'm yet to meet them personally) will indeed play the "fake nerd" for attention, and my reaction when they turn out to be ignorant or apathetic isn't anger, but actually kinda upset.

The implication of this behaviour is that this person perceived me, and presumably many others like me, to be slaves to sex appeal. For a lot of us, that's just patronising. We gather with the others we do because we want to share and enjoy. I'm real glad you look pretty and all, but it's not all that interesting if you have nothing to speak about, and have no genuine interest in anything going on.

I can't speak for the rest of the culture, but what I want to say is it's not that you can't be attractive or highly social and not be "one of us" so to speak. But you can't be if you have no interest in what we do. You'll get far more positive attention from us if you have something to contribute than if you just look good and pander, and everyone is happier that way.

I don't let this anger me, because it would be immature, and at the end of the day, for every girl I meet with this negative attitude, I meet one who can introduce me to new things and I can talk with. I just wish those were the only ones I'd talk to at conventions, and less of people having to have their cosplayed characters explained to them by passer-bys, and giving weird looks at people asking for photos (a sadly regular occurrence where I live seemingly). There's nothing stopping them from including themselves if they were to not blatantly look down on us.
 

longboardfan

New member
Jul 27, 2011
166
0
0
Moonlight Butterfly said:
Smilomaniac said:
AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

longboardfan said:
How are these things hurting the gaming industry exactly, by making them a more inclusive and less sexist place?

How dare you push you way into a female space like My Little Pony and start making demands that the characters conform more to your male ideals! Yeah see how ridiculous that sounds?

Gaming doesn't belong to men any more than books or film so stop acting like we are some sort of new found plague when a lot of us have been gaming for 25 years or more okay?

We aren't interested in geeky stuff because of YOU we are interested because we enjoy it. Wanting to make changes and fighting for those changes just means we care about the medium.
As males generally don't go in and demand the environment change to suit their needs or wants, I can't say for sure what you are referring to in regards to liking My Little Pony. I dare say your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of MLP fans and why guys like the show is endemic to your complete and total failure to understand the show's premise, production values, good writing, and a generally good and positive message.

These fake women exist to make money while being perceived as something they are not in order to make "arguments from authority. These logical fallacies hurt everyone as they use said "geek cred" to get interviews with production companies who use these fake peoples' words and arguments to base their own choices and products off of. This is how it hurts the industry.

But go ahead, and blame and mis-characterise men who like MLP for all your problems. Its something I've gotten used to, and quite frankly I'd rather wear said fandom like a badge, than let you ruin it for everyone else.
 

Aureliano

New member
Mar 5, 2009
604
0
0
Damn it Jim, I am offended at the idea that you think 'nerd girls' should be able to get away with spending less than 40 hours a week playing Counterstrike.

This is almost as great a scourge as the nice, and probably pretty chilly, nudist women in those human reproductive documentaries (I believe some philistines call them 'pornography') who find human semen to be less than the most delicious fluid on the planet even though they don't actually make the ick face when it's in their mouth while they're on camera.

For shame!

Also, that may have been the greatest intro scene you have ever done [/thislastsentenceistheonlypartofthispostthatwasnotsarcasm]
 

chozo_hybrid

What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets.
Jul 15, 2009
3,479
14
43
Moonlight Butterfly said:
Smilomaniac said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.
This is why we can't have nice things :)
Well then, feel free to feed the trolls and let's see how much better it'll progress, shall we?
I'm just kind of disappointed with the general direction of this thread, it's depressing.
As a man, I find this thread embarrassing to a degree. People can like, or pretend to like whatever they want, it doesn't harm anyone so why is it an issue to some... I don't know.

All I do know is, it is embarrassing for someone who pretends when they get called out on it in certain ways, which in the end makes that embarrassment their own fault. But this isn't a gender specific issue, it is just thought to be one because like Jim said, no one questions a guy on these things. I know people of both gender that do it to a degree, and I don't care.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

Be the Leaf
Mar 16, 2011
6,157
0
0
longboardfan said:
I actually watch MLP:FIM and I'm a big fan. I just ordered a load of stickers from redbubble to put on my PC case... I wasn't knocking the show at all. My point was that it has always been a traditionally female thing and yet men don't suffer any spite at the hands of women for it. In fact it's mostly men who berate them for it.

I have more 'geek cred' in my little finger than a lot of guys I meet have in their whole body and yet I'm the one greeted with suspicion and told tits or gtfo. I honestly like comics, cartoons and games. In fact I just paused Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes to write this post.

I'm tired of people telling me I can't possibly like something because I have ovaries, and yeah it would be nice to see my sex treated with a tad more respect within the gaming industry. So sorry if I'm going to point out when a character is unessercarily half naked and sexualised because it bothers me as much as it would a lot of guys if a game was full of thrusting oiled up chippendales. I mean just look at the reaction to Anders.

btw Pinkie Pie is best pony.
 

Aurora Firestorm

New member
May 1, 2008
692
0
0
This is demeaning to both men and women.

It's the thought that women are so fake and duplicitous that they will go out of their way to trick unsuspecting men, that "pretty" is incompatible with "smart," "nerdy," or whatever, and that they live on attention so much and are so desperate to toy with people's brains to get it, that they'll lie through their teeth for it.

It's also the thought that nerdy men are so alone and so incapable of finding love that they will jump around like puppies and be lovestruck into stupidity when something with boobs walks by, that they have no real standards and are just looking to get laid because they're sad, needy failures at social life.

Frankly, the whole thing is just ridiculous.
 

Scars Unseen

^ ^ v v < > < > B A
May 7, 2009
3,028
0
0
getoffmycloud said:
The only issue I can think off is these people is they do exist are likely to be the same kind of people who 10 years ago would have bullied someone for liking games so I can see the problem there.
Not really sure what the problem is in that case either. Someone can't change in a decade?
 

Aardvaarkman

I am the one who eats ants!
Jul 14, 2011
1,262
0
0
Ashoten said:
A lot of male nerds have toiled to establish the nerd culture(just as you said) specifically or indirectly because they didn't have female companionship to distract them.
Yeah, well those guys were doing it wrong. Nobody should be making any effort to establish "nerd culture" - it's just something that happened, a historical artefact. There's no reason to actively cultivate such a thing.
 

Itchi_da_killa

New member
Jun 5, 2012
252
0
0
My girl is a cute gamer chick and she is legit. Rage sex after she kicks my a$$ in SC5 is great! Awesome show Jim.
 

irmasterlol

New member
Apr 11, 2012
178
0
0
Taunta said:
Because the original post was portrayed as one. Read between the lines.
"She said she liked video games and could only name one console."(In a list of "fake gamer girls", so we already know the conclusion to this story)
"She said she liked video games" (so I asked her about consoles) "And she could only name one console" (therefore she "failed the test" and I determined her "fake", because we already know I determined her "fake" when the story began)

Also, again, last time I checked, knowledge about the source material is not required for buying a t-shirt that you think is cute. Just because someone doesn't know about Pokemon doesn't mean you can't still talk to them about Pokemon. Maybe it means they're interested in Pokemon but never really had a chance to get into it. This is your chance to teach them about Pokemon, but instead you (or the OP) choose to reject them. That doesn't make them very likely to try to get into Pokemon again.

And the point is not about "people who get disappointed when someone is not as interested in something as you are". It's about "people who set arbitrary rules for (specifically) women to prove themselves worthy enough to join their arbitrary club".

I never said every attempt at conversation was a pop quiz, thanks for putting words in my mouth. But the examples in the OP were quizzes.
If I can't put words in your mouth, you can't put words in his. For all you know the conversations went:

her: "FUCK, I love vidya games."
him: "No way, me too! What console do you play on?"
her: "The hell is a console? I only play on PS3."
him: "areyoufuckingkiddingme dot jaypeg"
her: "What"
him: "N-nothing."

As for knowing the source material to buy a shirt, it brings to mind Dave Challelle's "whore's uniform" joke. You know the one. If you see someone dressed as Pikachu, it is reasonable to conclude that they know what Pikachu is and where it's from. Sure it's possible they don't, but understanding the implications saves everyone time. I'm curious about how you don't get the chance to get into pokemon. I googled "pokemon" and got "About 242,000,000 results." I'm sure one of those could help the average newcomer to any fandom.

Also, I want to know where the data is that this only happens to women. I've seen it happen to men, but then it's perceived as dick measuring, not misandry. I don't see any evidence that it's people setting rules instead of people trying to discuss their interests and accidentally discovering that the other person isn't actually interested in it.
 

CrazyCapnMorgan

Is not insane, just crazy >:)
Jan 5, 2011
2,742
0
0
Jimothy Sterling said:
It's a predominantly suited, rich, male few who run the industry, as I said at the end, and if you should be mad at anybody for being patronized, it ought to be them.

Look who's pulling the strings if you're sick of being treated like a puppet.
This statement you made, Jim - you realize it can be applied to pretty much every industry and institution in the world and still be wholly accurate?

Though, in some instances, I tend to take Don Carlione's advice, "Follow the money." Then, I make my judgments and accusations.