Jimquisition: Gamer Guys

Something Amyss

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TreuloseTomate said:
I'm a bit lost here. Are "gamer girls" really such an issue? I've actually never met any of these caricature gamer girlz that some people seem to be complaining about. What year is this?
The next guy posting can cover this:

LazyAza said:
I reckon this is jims wonderful way of responding to some of the comments from the zelda maybe getting her own game finally article on dtoid. Cause according to some sexist idiots apparently if that happens the universe will invert and all that is good in it will cease to be. -__-
As terrible as the thought of Zelda getting her own game is, it could be worse. At least she's a girl. Could you imagine a world where they took a wholesome, mach dude like Samus Aran and made him into a chick just to appease those rabid feminazis who exist predominantly in my head? Or if they made that guy from Tomb Raider (forget his name) into a girl. I mean, at least in those games I could childishly stare at "her" bum, but it would be too weird to play as a girl for me to handle.
 

Therumancer

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Awesome special FX Jim. :)

That said, after I got done laughing I decided I'd toss out something similar to my usual comments about the overall point of this episode.

Like it or not there are differences between guys and girls as far as perception and manipulation goes. In general dudes can be manipulated through media by an attractive girl, or the belief they are dealing with one, far more easily than girls can be manipulated by hot guys. This is why you see so many companies using spokesmodels, filling events with party girls (or booth babes), or in the case of Japan doing things like getting female voice operators to talk in higher pitched tones of voice (attractive for the culture apparently).

The reaction to female gamers is what it is because of how saturated the market has become with women trying to manipulate guys, to the point where it's become expected. This goes so far as to get girls who pretend to hang out at social events, cons, etc... to create a scene and to also lead guys in specific directions. You even see it at Renfaires and such where the people running booths will hire the cutest girls they can get to walk the grounds showing off whatever they are selling, and pretending to be other tourists. When you go to conventions, and not just gaming ones, you see the same exact thing going on. That's not paranoia either, I've met a good number of women who have done this kind of thing. As a matter of public record companies like Ubisoft formed things like the "Frag Dolls" as a
promotional gimmick to sell their products, which is a variation on this.



On a more personal level a lot of girls, especially young girls, learn at an early age to manipulate guys. Whether it's football or video games, a lot of girls feign interest in whatever guys like to get things out of them. This can be anything from a "Camwhore" trying to get guys to buy her things off her Amazon gift list, to a girl trying to get you to do her homework or be her personal free taxi service.

Geeks, by being social outcasts who really wish they could have hot girlfriends, become prime targets for manipulation. Once you get burned a bunch of times, paranoia of a sort sets in, and it's a fairly justified paranoia.

One thing I will point out that rarely enters into these discussion is that the less attractive and/or more freaky a girl is, the more likely she is to be accepted as a gamer or within the geek culture. As a general rule, if a girl could be hanging off the arm of some Jock or successful/socially apt dude, the more suspicious a geek is likely to be of her ultimate motives.

Obscure gaming questions tend to be "touring questions" in cases like this. Sort of like what a real lesbian might do to root out guys pretending to be lesbians online (lol). It's less about there being a correct answer, or an actual test of knowledge, but rather a matter of reaction. To give an example, if someone comes up to a real geek and asks a question about some obscure Japanese video game, he might not know the answer but the way he inquires about it, and mentions ones that he has plays is what is going to make him genuine. When it comes to some geek girl being asked say "what is your favorite Shadow Hearts transformation?" (if such came up) it's less about her having to have played that game to be real, but more about whether she becomes defensive. A "proper" answer for someone that was ignorant would be to say "I haven't played that is it similar to [insert other RPG where you combine and transform characters, like say Soul Fusions in Persona or Demon Combining in other SMT games or whatever)" or something similar that fits
into the conversation.

To be honest one of the reasons so many people (including me) laugh at pics with geek girls making snappy comebacks "Oh I haven't read the entire run of Batman, but neither have you" is that they miss the point in the course of trying to defend the trend. If you like Batman you might not know every bloody obscure thing he's ever done (like say using a Bat-Monster truck loaded with fully automatic tranquilizer guns) but if your a serious fan you can turn something you didn't know into quite a conversation and that's kind of the point.

Ah well, I doubt many people read this far, and very few will agree with me, but that's my two cents.

When it comes to the acceptance of geek girls of all stripes and physical apperance into the "community" (such as it is) it's not something that can be forced. It will happen over time, but understand that the social intertia of decades upon decades of geeks being manipulated by cute girls is not something that is going to disappear comparatively overnight because more girls are gaming and discovering/getting involved in fandom for real.
 

PuckFuppet

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Legion said:
for me the topic has been discussed so much and so aggressively that it's almost off-putting.
Hello, I'm a person, allow me to debate you on gender ethics in video gaming and contextualise my argument with several paragraph long posts raising roughly the same point repeatedly in succession without actually responding to anything you've said.

I hope you enjoy your day :)

Therumancer said:
a lot of girls feign interest in whatever guys like to get things out of them.
An ex of mine wasn't particularly into video games and took the time to get involved with what I was I playing so we could have more common interests, that interest carried on after the relationship and she (like many people) was suitably annoyed at the ending of ME3. Similarly I took an interest in LotR, not just the films but the books and all associated elements of the overall mythos, for that same woman and that interest has similarly carried on beyond the relationship.

People tend to incorporate elements of those who they interact with into their personality, its perfectly normal, and rarely in a relationship will you find someone who is just as into everything you're also into. That isn't expressly manipulation, although it might work out that way in some cases I can assure you that that kind of manipulation isn't exclusively restricted to the female gender.

I'm regularly into all sorts of things I have no actual interest in, like theatre or Downton Abbey, if the girl I'm hitting on in that moment happens to be into something that I can easily bullshit an interest in. It works too... so why is somehow a bad thing?
 

babinro

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I have no idea what I just watched...
Whatever the joke was it went completely over my head.

Was he commenting on wannabe girl gamers as portrayed by the media and switching gender to male was the joke?
Was he just mocking the 30 year old hardcore gamer who feels threatened by others who only now enjoy their hobby?
Or were the words supposed to be taken as is and being a wannabe male gamer is actually a thing now?

Either way, I've never been exposed to any of the above beyond forum trolls.
 

Thaluikhain

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Heh, I was expecting this to be about dudebro gamers as well.

I have to say that I didn't think the satire was very good, but he got it to work on the back of excessive homoerotica. Wouldn't have pulled it off if it wasn't for him talking about penises.

babinro said:
Was he commenting on wannabe girl gamers as portrayed by the media and switching gender to male was the joke?
That was it, yeah.
 

Mosesj

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Just clicking on the title, I knew "dis gon be gud."

Unfortunately, I think the people who most need to understand the content of this video won't understand it.

Also, I have no idea what "fusions" are in this context. I feel so ashamed.
When I saw the title, I thought to myself "uh oh, this is going to be painful to watch" hmm, it was ok.

wonder what he's going to talk about next


Captcha: power tools

oh, look at that. Wonder if he is going to talk about it next
 

shirkbot

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I actually encountered this once via a friend of mine, and it kind of threw me for a loop to be honest. I really didn't get the grounds for suspicion. Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought it was baffling and silly.
 

Legion

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PuckFuppet said:
Legion said:
for me the topic has been discussed so much and so aggressively that it's almost off-putting.
Hello, I'm a person, allow me to debate you on gender ethics in video gaming and contextualise my argument with several paragraph long posts raising roughly the same point repeatedly in succession without actually responding to anything you've said.

I hope you enjoy your day :)
Basically, although to be honest it's not even just gender debates that are like this. Pretty much every debate on the internet seems to be the same. People don't really like discussing things so much as shouting out their own ideas in the hope that somebody will agree with them.

Although when you mentioned several paragraphs raising the same point I started to wonder if you meant me as I am terrible at doing that. I frequently go back and edit posts because I get carried away when writing and don't realise I have already said something with slightly different wording.
babinro said:
I have no idea what I just watched...
Whatever the joke was it went completely over my head.

Was he commenting on wannabe girl gamers as portrayed by the media and switching gender to male was the joke?
Was he just mocking the 30 year old hardcore gamer who feels threatened by others who only now enjoy their hobby?
Or were the words supposed to be taken as is and being a wannabe male gamer is actually a thing now?

Either way, I've never been exposed to any of the above beyond forum trolls.
The rant was basically taking what some guys will say about girl gamers, but switched it around to be about guys in order to illustrate the point. There are actually people who genuinely believe that girls only play games to impress nerdy guys and to try and fit into the group that is considered by the majority of the world to be sad, lonely virgins.

It's a rather bizarre perspective. Although to be honest like a lot of these sorts of things I can never tell whether or not the people who originally made the comments are just stupid or trolling.
 

Vegosiux

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Funniest bit about it is that in an "alternate switched around universe" this is exactly something that could really happen *grin*
 

Xman490

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It looks like Alternate Universe Jim, most likely like our Jim, is calmed by Kirby music, albeit slightly.
 

GAunderrated

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Very clever episode jim. I laughed pretty hard at the NES belt buckles are used to get you to look at other dudes dicks.
 

Goliath100

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Goliath100 said:
Oh Jim Sterling, fighting and kissing their butt, you do love your straw men. But really Jimmy, your filler is getting dumber and dumber.
How fucking DARE you talk about my filler? That's way too personal for a public forum.
Nice dodging the question Jimmy. If you need filler material do an episode on why the game industry need to make more literature adaptations (aka Metro 2033) and fewer horrible adaptations of movies.
 

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I haven't laughed this much watching your show in quite awhile. Spot on satire.

Talk more about man nips for me, won't you?
 

PuckFuppet

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Legion said:
Although when you mentioned several paragraphs raising the same point I started to wonder if you meant me as I am terrible at doing that. I frequently go back and edit posts because I get carried away when writing and don't realise I have already said something with slightly different wording.
Just a coincidence.

I happen to do the exact same, and see it happen alot, so it was something I could reference with some confidence.
 

Weaver

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This is probably one of my favourite episodes! I laughed pretty good at most of this. Thanks, Jim! This series has come a long, long way since the first episode.
 

Big_Isaac

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I'm shocked at the complete and utter lack of a death note reference in the latter half of the video. I mean, come on! it writes itself!