Jimquisition: Hate Out Of Ten
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Good example is just look at the comments under IGN's Halo CE2 review (an 8) People are going mental saying the original was a 10.
They need to redefine the numbers system, where 8 is 'masterpiece' as they call it. 9 is 'perfect in every way' and 10 is 'quadruple simultaneous orgasms'. Then when some fanboy says 'boo why didn't you give COD a 10?' you can say 'Did it give you 4 orgasms? Then shut up'
Or the entire reviewing community should form a coalition to all give every game ever made a 10 and hold their opinions for ransom until the trolls agree to accept their scores.
Also part of the problem is different people putting different amount of emphasis on graphics.
They need to redefine the numbers system, where 8 is 'masterpiece' as they call it. 9 is 'perfect in every way' and 10 is 'quadruple simultaneous orgasms'. Then when some fanboy says 'boo why didn't you give COD a 10?' you can say 'Did it give you 4 orgasms? Then shut up'
Or the entire reviewing community should form a coalition to all give every game ever made a 10 and hold their opinions for ransom until the trolls agree to accept their scores.
Also part of the problem is different people putting different amount of emphasis on graphics.
After I watched this video, I was browsing the internet more and found IGN review of Halo Aniversary. and the review score made me laugh my balls off considering Halo has some of the most shittiest fan-base ever.
I blame Newgrounds for starting this. People rate flash games with a handicap and then bring that handicap with them when they rate other video games by saying its good enough to be average which must mean its 9-10.
I remember when 7 was a low score and 8 wasn't, this is stupid... 5 is average 10 is perfect and 0 is (insert your favourite game here). You start all games at 5 and as you play you decide whether or not it gains points or loses points, no game should ever reach a perfect 10 its like saying the humans who created this are perfect and there game transcends age, gender, race and personal preferences to bring you fun for all the family.
Instead of giving a 10 say its a 9.5 and that it set a new standard in gaming, because if it didn't why are you so quick to give a 10?
I remember when 7 was a low score and 8 wasn't, this is stupid... 5 is average 10 is perfect and 0 is (insert your favourite game here). You start all games at 5 and as you play you decide whether or not it gains points or loses points, no game should ever reach a perfect 10 its like saying the humans who created this are perfect and there game transcends age, gender, race and personal preferences to bring you fun for all the family.
Instead of giving a 10 say its a 9.5 and that it set a new standard in gaming, because if it didn't why are you so quick to give a 10?
THIS...ladies and Bruces...is why the most respected reviewers don't even USE numbers. Just look at Yahtzee.
kinda has a pointWorgen said:
technically, it's not very good
aesthetically, on the other hand...
and that's really all that matters, good aesthetics that make your game interesting to look at =P
RootBrewski said:
You forgot Yatzee
As much as some people hate him (or love him) Yatzee has never put scores to his reviews for just that reason. Just ike Adam, he does it because (as he said) he does not feel there is any point and the review itself should tell you wither or not you want to buy the game (For the recod I have in the past bought games that he has reviewed marginally favorably, based on his review).
While I presonally don't have an issue with the scoring system, I use it as a general information point (6/10+ and worth looking into, for unknown game), then read what is said regarding the game to decide what I wish to do. If it is just a score I look elsewhere before deciding.
I have never been interested in professional reviews, i just read what players say and make my own opinions. Good to know i'm not missing much.
1-10 system would work if it wasn't for the inflated average and sites beign afraid that publishers would take their privileges back if they get bad scores.
1-10 system would work if it wasn't for the inflated average and sites beign afraid that publishers would take their privileges back if they get bad scores.
Good one, Jim.
But as we've learned time and time again, needing to be loud on the internet probably just means that you don't get the validation you're looking for IRL. In this case the riders of the low review score prior to even seeing the game yourself waaaambulance seem to be reaching incomprehensible street person level of passerby disinterest.
But as we've learned time and time again, needing to be loud on the internet probably just means that you don't get the validation you're looking for IRL. In this case the riders of the low review score prior to even seeing the game yourself waaaambulance seem to be reaching incomprehensible street person level of passerby disinterest.
I've seen this on GT with their Zelda review. People screaming that it should of got a 10 not a 9.1. It got a lower score than MW3, GT has lost all credibility!
I don't understand if people love the game that much what does one review score matter to you. You're going to play the game regardless and a 9.1 is an excellent score.
I don't understand if people love the game that much what does one review score matter to you. You're going to play the game regardless and a 9.1 is an excellent score.
I completely agree with the problem.
But surely of all the problems out there, an average score of 8/10 isn't bad. It should be taken as indicative of the market that there are so many 'very good' games out there.
I guess this assumes a totally unbiased system.
But surely of all the problems out there, an average score of 8/10 isn't bad. It should be taken as indicative of the market that there are so many 'very good' games out there.
I guess this assumes a totally unbiased system.
I don't know if this is a valid answer to that problem, but I think the idea that we need to rate games is a flawed concept. Movie reviews are a lot more than the number of stars under the movie's name - they're an indication of what the critic thought, felt or perceived as he was watching it. It's no different for a game.
People bashing reviewers and review sites because they dare to give an 8 probably are the sort of consumers who scroll straight down to the review score, because honestly, EVERYTHING deserves a TL;DR these days, because people can't be fucking bothered to fucking read, anymore.
So they see an 8 out of 10, reflect that on their own enjoyment or hatred for a given project and if both don't match up based on lacking data, then they fly into a rage. the "h8ters", to coin a phrase, are just as unnerving as folks who wander into a Skyrim topic (or any other game-related topic for that matter) and just drop "This game sucks!" or a variation on it - without making the least bit of effort at articulating their claim.
To these folks, I'd like to say that you need to brush up on your understanding and definition of games journalism, journalism in general, the art of criticism as well as your ability to get a clue, for once. Journalism does involve a fair share of statements of opinion, of course, but it's a lot more than just another soapbox we're giving to people that are randomly paid to state how much they hate or like a given product.
Journalism implies investigation. If you're going to say that a given game's set of mechanics feels unconvincing, then you should be able to explain why, and not just say that it's crap and move on. In comparison, hating a reviewer or a reviews site for a given score is pretty much the equivalent of hollering an uninformed opinion at the top of your lungs.
Look, we get it. The Internet is a wonderful place that favours self-expression and independent thought. The key word here is "thought". Going out on a limb and raging against a reviewer does not equal thought.
Considering all that, we'd probably be better off nipping the problem in the bud and eliminating grades altogether. As reading the entire review is conducive to understanding the purpose and thought process of the reviewer, that's a lot less likely to leave room for sudden unfounded flames. Any site could eliminate scores for a while to test the waters, then reintroduce them a year or two later - largely to see if this gives more worth to the now fairly commonplace and misunderstood 8, 9 and 10 scores.
In the best of worlds, 5 would still be understood as being the mark of an average game. It also means we'd have a lot more 5-scores around than we do now. Anything upwards of 5 would be the mark of something that goes from being above the call of duty to being exceptional. Ideally, perfect scores would be completely weeded out of the equation.
Let's face it. Nothing ever made by human hands could ever be considered perfect. Even Da Vinci would still be tweaking the Mona Lisa, if he could.
People bashing reviewers and review sites because they dare to give an 8 probably are the sort of consumers who scroll straight down to the review score, because honestly, EVERYTHING deserves a TL;DR these days, because people can't be fucking bothered to fucking read, anymore.
So they see an 8 out of 10, reflect that on their own enjoyment or hatred for a given project and if both don't match up based on lacking data, then they fly into a rage. the "h8ters", to coin a phrase, are just as unnerving as folks who wander into a Skyrim topic (or any other game-related topic for that matter) and just drop "This game sucks!" or a variation on it - without making the least bit of effort at articulating their claim.
To these folks, I'd like to say that you need to brush up on your understanding and definition of games journalism, journalism in general, the art of criticism as well as your ability to get a clue, for once. Journalism does involve a fair share of statements of opinion, of course, but it's a lot more than just another soapbox we're giving to people that are randomly paid to state how much they hate or like a given product.
Journalism implies investigation. If you're going to say that a given game's set of mechanics feels unconvincing, then you should be able to explain why, and not just say that it's crap and move on. In comparison, hating a reviewer or a reviews site for a given score is pretty much the equivalent of hollering an uninformed opinion at the top of your lungs.
Look, we get it. The Internet is a wonderful place that favours self-expression and independent thought. The key word here is "thought". Going out on a limb and raging against a reviewer does not equal thought.
Considering all that, we'd probably be better off nipping the problem in the bud and eliminating grades altogether. As reading the entire review is conducive to understanding the purpose and thought process of the reviewer, that's a lot less likely to leave room for sudden unfounded flames. Any site could eliminate scores for a while to test the waters, then reintroduce them a year or two later - largely to see if this gives more worth to the now fairly commonplace and misunderstood 8, 9 and 10 scores.
In the best of worlds, 5 would still be understood as being the mark of an average game. It also means we'd have a lot more 5-scores around than we do now. Anything upwards of 5 would be the mark of something that goes from being above the call of duty to being exceptional. Ideally, perfect scores would be completely weeded out of the equation.
Let's face it. Nothing ever made by human hands could ever be considered perfect. Even Da Vinci would still be tweaking the Mona Lisa, if he could.
I've known this was a problem for a while now but I think the real indicator is that I saw a review on Game Trailers that had nothing - NOTHING - nice to say about a game (I forget what it was) and summarized with a 5.1 as the score. You tell me if this review makes any sense at all:
This game is terrible and any good ideas it had are weighted down by poor implementation, bad design, and glitches: 5.1 out of 10.
This game is terrible and any good ideas it had are weighted down by poor implementation, bad design, and glitches: 5.1 out of 10.