Jimquisition: How To Sell Games Without Being A Lying Dick
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Yay Nintendo. The rest of the companies can buzz off until they're proven themselves not to be jerks.
As odd as this may sound E3 is not all that important to AAA publishers. Most of the people ignore E3 and just watch the advertisements on television. E3 is just there to impress the hardcore gaming crowd.Brian Tams said:
Even the internet does not really seem powerful enough to communicate with the majority of the gamers out there.
This is why I think that most people probably do not know and do not wish to care about that incident. They just see the advertising on television and think because of it that it is a cool product that they need to buy to be cool.
I've honestly felt the exact same thing, which feels jarring since i LOVE video-games in general. Atleast until I played some Layton, Ace Attorney and Persona. Nintendo did win E3 this year because of their honesty and exceptional costumer relations (including the Smash tourney). That said though, their E3 presentation wasn't really exceptional. Although good, they basically won E3 because they didn't f up in comparison to the other companies. I do have a few gripes with Nintendo, biggest one being over-reliance on the same games and aesthetics instead of exploring new things (Pokemon being one of the worst offenders in that regard). I had hoped for a few more new IP's like Splatoon and an announcement of the Pokken fighters game rumored to be in developement, but perhaps they're simply keeping their cards close for now? I hope so, because Nintendo is otherwise the most genuine of the big three imo.demented said:
A new intro for the Jimquisition?! What has Jim Sterling done?!?
Just kidding. It looks awesome, BTW.
As far E3 goes, the only thing that got my interest outside of Nintendo was Sunset Overdrive, a game that wasn't in the color pallet of dog shit brown or gravel gray. Maybe fighting games like Mortal Kombat X and season 2 of Killer Instinct. Aside from that, I was more hyped about what Nintendo had to show us. At least they lived up to expectations without having to bullshit people or come off as arrogant fucks. I'd like to be proven wrong and see, one day, the triple A game companies learn from past mistakes and do better. Unfortunately, they're all still driving the short bus off a cliff like it was the best and only idea they have. -_-
Just kidding. It looks awesome, BTW.
As far E3 goes, the only thing that got my interest outside of Nintendo was Sunset Overdrive, a game that wasn't in the color pallet of dog shit brown or gravel gray. Maybe fighting games like Mortal Kombat X and season 2 of Killer Instinct. Aside from that, I was more hyped about what Nintendo had to show us. At least they lived up to expectations without having to bullshit people or come off as arrogant fucks. I'd like to be proven wrong and see, one day, the triple A game companies learn from past mistakes and do better. Unfortunately, they're all still driving the short bus off a cliff like it was the best and only idea they have. -_-
Yup, I'm dying to get a WiiU, I didn't have this feeling since the PS2/GameCube days and I guess the WiiU is kinda/sorta returning to those days, but with HD graphics. And I like it.
WiiU + PC might be a great combination to consider.
Though MGS V looked incredible... so yeah... I hope it gets a WiiU/PC release someday :3
WiiU + PC might be a great combination to consider.
Though MGS V looked incredible... so yeah... I hope it gets a WiiU/PC release someday :3
While I do agree mostly, I do enjoy the completely CGI/Rendered trailers. It has less to do with the game and makes me go "Wow, they have a great animation department, assuming it's the same people working on the game. If only they would split off and make a CGI movie. Maybe about said game. Lookin' your way, Blizzard.". I also know that this is definitely not what I'm getting. Maybe it's because I'm long over the concept of pre-ordering (Even though that seems to have suddenly exploded the moment I stopped), and hardly ever even buy a game the month it comes out. But I'd much rather watch a CGI trailer than a gameplay video that might not be gameplay, or similar to what Shadow of Mordor did, which was show gameplay, but the camera was panning around unattached to the playable character with no HUD (The worst kind of "First Gameplay Trailer" ever).
and yet, Nintendo does more to change up and try new things those IP with most releases then anywhere else.Imre Csete said:
You don't need a new IP to be innovative, besides, Capcom abandoned almost all of its 'old IP', and we all see how well that's worked out for em.
As of 2014 advertisement from firms like Mc-Donalds and Coca Cola are shifting from the old lies and deception into honesty, as honesty sells better in the modern day.carnex said:
Studies have shown that people are becoming less affected by the hiring of renowned actors and celebrities to showcase products, of humor and comedy and other plastic presentations, and more affected by say, the Coca Cola campaign of *Share this with a friend* aswell as Mc Donalds videos about how awesome their employees have it and how they are enjoying their jobs (Though the latters more my country than the U.S where employees are not treated well enough for such an ad not to be outright lies)
Simply put, people are not buying into the bullshit as much as they used to after several decades of being lied to. They are started to only buy it honesty, or at least perceived honesty.
Honesty is the new Deception in marketing.
Everyone always knocks Nintendo for the whole IP thing but you know what? Other than the new Mortal Kombat no one else got my interest like Nintendo did this past E3.
Gaming Industry, can't you see all Jim wants is to be relieved of his burden! Thank God for him.
Gaming Industry, can't you see all Jim wants is to be relieved of his burden! Thank God for him.
predicting Nintendo is not hard to do Jim. They've been doing the same things for the same people since the SNES. which is why they are still doing E3 like that.
Yes as stated, EA, Activision, and apparently Ubisoft have lost the ability to hype their games.
Bethesda once said with Fallout 3 that it would have hundreds of different endings. or something. when there were like 2 or 3 similiar endings except with the technically that the image of your childhood picture with your dad had a few hundred variants technically.
Didn't hurt that game, lies don't make a bad game good Jim, but if you are going to SELL a bad game, it doesn't hurt to lie. it only hurts the next game.
Yes as stated, EA, Activision, and apparently Ubisoft have lost the ability to hype their games.
Bethesda once said with Fallout 3 that it would have hundreds of different endings. or something. when there were like 2 or 3 similiar endings except with the technically that the image of your childhood picture with your dad had a few hundred variants technically.
Didn't hurt that game, lies don't make a bad game good Jim, but if you are going to SELL a bad game, it doesn't hurt to lie. it only hurts the next game.
Yeah, but Bioware tried that nonsense again with DA3....red255 said:
http://www.geek.com/games/biowares-dragon-age-inquisition-will-have-40-different-endings-1596502/
...and people saw right through it.
http://gamingbolt.com/bioware-dragon-age-inquisition-doesnt-really-have-40-endings
The lies aren't working anymore.
I can understand awesome prerendered trailers. Even if they are increasingly boring as they try to emulate video game footage instead of wowing concepts, art directions, or just as a snappy advertisement. They're a good eye catchers and there are good ways to do them. Tropico 5 (buggy and broken as it is) had a good example with one of it's trailers. You clearly knew this was a hilarious advertisement, not representative of the final product. (sorry pretty sure I'm not allowed to link here or I would)
But at a certain point, I do expect to see actual gameplay footage. Tropico 5 I'll use as an example again, did this well. They had a very long gameplay demo video that showed you exactly what you were getting. Fallout did this well, as well. CG announcement, and eventual gameplay footage closer to launch.
What I don't like is how Electronic Arts especially, but others are guilty of this as well, are taking what is perhaps in game engine rendered footage, but never the less not gameplay footage and calling it gameplay footage. All this tells me as a consumer is: DON'T BUY THIS GAME!!! or IT'S A TRAP!.
And when these companies false advertise and they get me, it's Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I don't preorder their products anymore, and they're lucky if I buy them at all, since their competition is more than happy to supply awesome experiences without the deciete and bullshit.
That aside: I don't see what Jim sees. Watch Dogs doesn't look bad, but GTAV on the last generation looked more impressive.
But at a certain point, I do expect to see actual gameplay footage. Tropico 5 I'll use as an example again, did this well. They had a very long gameplay demo video that showed you exactly what you were getting. Fallout did this well, as well. CG announcement, and eventual gameplay footage closer to launch.
What I don't like is how Electronic Arts especially, but others are guilty of this as well, are taking what is perhaps in game engine rendered footage, but never the less not gameplay footage and calling it gameplay footage. All this tells me as a consumer is: DON'T BUY THIS GAME!!! or IT'S A TRAP!.
And when these companies false advertise and they get me, it's Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I don't preorder their products anymore, and they're lucky if I buy them at all, since their competition is more than happy to supply awesome experiences without the deciete and bullshit.
That aside: I don't see what Jim sees. Watch Dogs doesn't look bad, but GTAV on the last generation looked more impressive.
With Ryu Hyabusa and Keiji Maeda in tow.Fappy said:
Hmmm...Gundam+Ocarina....There's a Dragonzord joke in there somewhere.
Aside from Nintendo, there was one shining moment among the other press conferences: Little Big Planet 3. Now I know a lot of people hated it because they were pretty bad, but that is what I enjoyed about it. It wasn't a guy standing up there holding a controller pretending the play through the game, it was 4 people not entirely sure of what they were doing trying to figure out the best way through the game. They died a bunch of times, and did their best to stay on script whereas all of the other "gameplay" demos show us perfect scenarios under ideal situations. Them just using Swoop to speed through the demo when they realized they were going long was something actual people would do. That was the only moment that was not Nintendo or some website's footage that made me think something was gameplay.