Jimquisition: I Hate Videogames (Because I Love Them)

[mjc0961]

That's may be the definition of bigot. But sorry, just because you don't approve of gay marriage does not mean you are a bigot. Do tell me how believing in something means you are automatically INTOLERANT of the opposite. Maybe what you need is to learn what TOLERANCE means.

Tolerance: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

I hate rap. Hate, hate, hate it. Think its crap that all sounds the same and I wish it didn't exist But guess what. Still tolerant of it. I let it exist because it has a right to. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

But its ironic, the chicken guy has a view, and a belief, but you seem to be rather intolerant of it. That make you a bigot as well?

If you wish it didn't exist, guess what. That means you AREN'T tolerant of it. Wishing that something you dislike would stop existing isn't fair, objective, or permissive at all. You're saying "I don't like that thing, I wish it didn't exist. Fuck everyone who does like it because I do not like it and I am the only one that matters."

That's about as far from tolerating rap as you can get. :/

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I don't think I wanted to see Jim fucking a Sonic plush. It was another good episode Jim and hopefully you can get the taste of hating gay people out of your mouth. Speaking of this episode, I love Legend of Zelda but I hated the DS games. I also hate how Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess and, Skyward Sword take forever to 'begin'. Ocarina of Time threw you into the first dungeon within 15 minutes. You're not even properly dressed in that space of time for the others I listed above.

 

[carnex]

The founder actively funds campaigning against gay marrage. That is a little more than disliking it.

The real issue is that he is actively trying to prevent something that benefits others and doesn't hurt him, or anyone else. This is not tolerance. How can someone else getting married diminish the meaning of marrage? You might as well prohibit Rap from being allowed to be awarded at the grammies since it would dimish the meaning of music, based on your taste of the genre. (although I think the grammies themselves diminish the value of music, but that's another conversation).

Anyway I don't want to derail this thread so I don't plan to reply anymore, but you can feel free to PM me if you have anything else to point out.

See Jim. This is what happens when you add a little tidbit comment that is completly unrelated. How am I suppose to stop myself from responding

First of, if you actively support your point of view, and gay marriage is strictly point of view issue, you are not bigot, you are activist.

If you look at the marriage in naturalistic terms, gay marriage is out of the question. If you look at the marriage at today's social values, that, why not. Marriage is a farce anyway.

Problem is, that for me, and throughout most of history, marriage was never about some undying love of some other romantic story, but about family. A safe environment for raising children between two people who can live together for most of their lives. It failed quite often mind you, but we are people, piles of meat with severely flawed control protocol. In that light homosexual marriage is highly problematic even if people have no problem with homosexuals themselves (like me).

To be bigot you have no rational reason to fight against something and do it out of hatred, ignorance or feeling of superiority.

Then, because I believe marriage has a certain purpose which homosexual marriage can not fulfill I am idiot, bigot or whatever label you want to stick on me? I'm afraid you have problem with people's opinions, not me.

 

[carnex]

If you wish it didn't exist, guess what. That means you AREN'T tolerant of it. Wishing that something you dislike would stop existing isn't fair, objective, or permissive at all. You're saying "I don't like that thing, I wish it didn't exist. Fuck everyone who does like it because I do not like it and I am the only one that matters."

That's about as far from tolerating rap as you can get. :/

Wishing something, or someone doesn't exist doesn't mean you are intolerant. We all wish someone dead or something gone from this world. We are human beings, that's what we do. Wishing something and doing something is not the same.

I wish some music genres gone. And I know most of them will be gone in a while. Time does not tolerate bad stuff, for the most part. Am I a bad person because of that? I liked rap because of what it was, I hate what it's now and I wish today's rap was gone and I am against homosexual marriage. There, label me as you like, but consider for a second my point of view before you spit into the wind.

 

[girzwald]

That's may be the definition of bigot. But sorry, just because you don't approve of gay marriage does not mean you are a bigot. Do tell me how believing in something means you are automatically INTOLERANT of the opposite. Maybe what you need is to learn what TOLERANCE means.

Tolerance: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

I hate rap. Hate, hate, hate it. Think its crap that all sounds the same and I wish it didn't exist But guess what. Still tolerant of it. I let it exist because it has a right to. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

But its ironic, the chicken guy has a view, and a belief, but you seem to be rather intolerant of it. That make you a bigot as well?

If you wish it didn't exist, guess what. That means you AREN'T tolerant of it. Wishing that something you dislike would stop existing isn't fair, objective, or permissive at all. You're saying "I don't like that thing, I wish it didn't exist. Fuck everyone who does like it because I do not like it and I am the only one that matters."

That's about as far from tolerating rap as you can get. :/

I like how you highlighted and took out of context one part of what I said but obviously ignored "But I let it exist BECAUSE IT HAS A RIGHT TO" Meaning, I recognize that it has a right to exist and I have no right to make it not exist.

Sorry, that's not far from being tolerant. That's quintessential tolerance.

 

[godofslack]

Problem is, that for me, and throughout most of history, marriage was never about some undying love of some other romantic story, but about family. A safe environment for raising children between two people who can live together for most of their lives. It failed quite often mind you, but we are people, piles of meat with severely flawed control protocol. In that light homosexual marriage is highly problematic even if people have no problem with homosexuals themselves (like me).

Then, because I believe marriage has a certain purpose which homosexual marriage can not fulfill I am idiot, bigot or whatever label you want to stick on me? I'm afraid you have problem with people's opinions, not me.

Why can't gay people raise children? With adoption and in the future perhaps even the possibility to have children that are truely the sum of the two partners. Being able to biologically to reproduce shouldn't be a factor.

 

[daxterx2005]

"cigar chomping"

Who chomps cigars....?

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

...You said Konami was horrible, now I have to declare some war because Metal Gear Solid is the best thing *ever.*

Joking, but Konami isn't pure horrible evil or something.

Edit: Dammit, guys, why did you have to take a video games thread and turn it into a gay marriage thread? >< I think I can sum this up as, "We're all 21st century liberals here, except those who aren't, and neither side will be convinced."

 

[Skops]

I agree with almost everything said here, just one minor nagging issue: Just what is the 'problem' with the PS3/PSP's XMB? I think it's remarkably easy to follow and sorts everything how would sort them.

 

[irishda]

I don't understand the hatred behind Day one DLC, or even DLC in general. I've never seen DLC that was inherently necessary to something the game had to offer, so my opinion's always been, if you hate spending the money on it, don't buy it.

Before you bring up the analogy of "It's like if movies charged extra to see certain scenes", bear in mind they already do (extended edition dvds). Yet, movie fanatics aren't going, "Oh my god, this is an outrage, they're charging us more money to include scenes they already made." Because, and this is important, if the extra money is an issue, they don't spend it. They buy the regular version or whatever.

 

[Shiro No Uma]

How dare Chick-Fil-A support the idea that traditional marriage should be between a man and a woman, truly they are bigots of the highest order *sarcasm.

Who said that? I certainly didn't. I said their chicken tastes like hating gay people, and that the hating of gay people smells like fucking shit.

I stand by that claim. It has been lab-tested.

I just started watching Jim's videos retro actively because of this episode being recommended to me......and I think that he might be my Soul Caliber mate. Great ideas that few are willing to discuss with the people supporting this industry.

 

[bigfatcarp93]

Goddamn, imagine how much better the game industry would be if everyone just listened to Jim.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

Fucking Retro Goggles. Always raping your eyes with their large pixels and limited color palette.

Anyway - why is there a need to make a video, on a website that routinely criticizes video games, saying that video games are allowed to be criticized? That's obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron. And why should we care about what complete morons think in the first place? Shouldn't we just ignore them and move on to more intelligent discussion?

This is kind of like if a flat-Earth proponent walked into a meeting of astrophysicists and the astrophysicists bothered to dignify the flat-Earth argument with a response other than simply calling for security to have the nutcase ejected.

 

[1337mokro]

....

That means, as long as you buy games, they will continue to do what they do because they would lose money doing otherwise.

Sry Jim he is right.

Stop buying games is the only way to stop EA, Activision and Ubisoft.

Ubisoft even hacks into your browser, evidently.
Stop supporting those companies, do not buy their games.

Thats the only way to beat them,
if you Jim really love video games,
say that people shall stop buying them.

There just is no other way.

with regards

Yep Ubisoft hacks into you browser. They install a little UPlay plugin without you consent that thankfully isn't compatible with the latest firefox beta otherwise I would never have known it.

Stop buying games, even if they are good, when companies perform such horrible practices. They are literally spying on you without any notification or legal grounds, they simply just don't tell you. This isn't America I should not have to stand for that.

 

[Bluecho]

It's the same for me with comic books. I love them, which is WHY I criticize and call out the crap. We have a medium for telling great stories, yet we get bogged down in overblown events, stories that erase decades of continuity, the exploitation of great creators, and seeming to need to reboot their entire line every ten years or so. I roll my eyes at the fanservice and grumble at the fact that most comics are produced with an opposite political idealogy to my own. Yet for all this, I'm with Jim here. It's a medium I love, and that only makes the need to point out its shortcomings all the greater.

As always, I thank God for Jim Sterling.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Don't buy new, bypass any and all DRM= not buying them at all.

I hate most new games like I hate most new music, canned, cloned unimaginative crap I loath.

 

[lord.jeff]

I think it's worth noting that not only should we be careful of viewing other's criticisms as hatred but keeping are dislikes of a mostly good game from turning in to acts of hatred, like the review bombing of Portal 2 because it had DLC or the whole Mass Effect ending controversy.

 

[Jennacide]

It's good to see more sentiment that I've had for ages, "criticism is not only okay, but just." I love some really abstract games, yet have to defend myself if I point out any fallacy in them. I had a legion of jerks pick a fight with me when I simply stated that I wish Persona 4 wasn't so grindy. Getting moronic retorts like "then go play something else and stop bothering us." Screw that nonsense, I love every other aspect of the game. The characters, story, combat mechanics and social link systems are all great. But you DO need to spend and almost absurd amount of time in the combat grinding up to get the spells you need for many bosses.

 

[Riobux]

I feel bad that the main part I paid attention to and had to rewatch it because I was actively laughing out loud was the Chick Fillay intro part.

Edit: Aw, alright, I'll contribute. I'll admit I'm part of the crowd that constantly criticises the ever loving hell out of games. There's no such thing as a perfect game and even some of my favourite games are deeply flawed (Eternal Darkness with a terrible problem that if you miss something in a previous level you can't pass a later level and it's impossible to go back to the previous level for it, Silent Hill 2 with shoddy combat and camera angles and Kane & Lynch: Dead Men because...Haha, I don't think I need to list them). However, it's only through feedback that developers can work out what the consumer want. If people don't complain, and whine, and ***** about all their games, even their favourite ones, then it's stuck producing the same game over and over again.

It's a problem with some game series, where no one has really sat down with the developer and said "look, this and that could be improved, this game isn't bad but look you can improve all of this". You instead get game series that seem to be going nowhere and changing nothing from game to game because they're sung to the high heavens (or told they're shit a lot with no explanations) so they're left with nowhere to go to improve the game further. It's a case of needing criticism and constructive kind to further improve games and the games industry, rather than just sitting like an obedient dog ready to gobble any crap it's owner gives them and then begging for more.

 

[TrevHead]

I love niche games that arn't your common run of the mill AAA blockbuster, and this generation has been getting progresivly shittier as mid tier games have been squeezed away from home console. ATM anybody who isnt EA, Activ, Ubi & Capcom who can hype their games is between a rock and a hardplace, Sega is a good example of how fucked it all is, they release some of the best games this console gen (Many with no DLC, and solid as a rock with no patching needed), which don't sell and are soon in the bargin bin, so they have to quit retail and are now mostly doing HD remakes of their back catalog on digital.

Retail is a broken mess, and the digital DL services like XBLA and PSN are a fucking joke compared to Steam. On Steam like any good internet store its generally easy to find quirky and interesting games.

One only has to look at the growth indie and mid tier games on Steam to see what a godsend a good digital store can do for gaming.

Consoles its totally the opporsite, bad interface and GUI, crappy adds and TV and music, indie marketplace which is a pain in the arse to find anything, limited to £10- $15 games so only the odd budget indie or HD remakes of older classics is viable, crappy discounts on older games so ppl don't buy them. The multitude of multiplayer XBLA games that have nobody in the server lobbies.