Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children
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I think it's also worth pointing out what's happening with the media shitstorm over ask.fm and twitter in regards to abuse. If we let people continue threatening and bullying others on the internet we will get regulation, restrictions, monitoring and all sorts of other shit. Now some may not care, others might welcome it but we will say goodbye to a lot of the freedom we have been afforded if we continue letting a few idiots behave like this without being shunned, ignored and told to effectively piss off.Jimothy Sterling said:
I mean look at what Mr Cameron is trying to get ISP's to do, install filters at network level to filter all adult content by default. Adult content includes anything pornographic, violent and "extreme political views". The internet and any regulation won't be decided by a group of tech savvy, veteran forum users. It will be decided by middle aged politicians who may or may not have a clue about how to even install an ad blocker.
In my book any form of death threat whether it's to the person you are talking to or their wider family/friends is unacceptable and crossing the line. If we don't remove these pests then someone else will and I guarantee they will not have your best interests at heart.
Agreed. Disagree with something, fine. But the death threats? So not cool. Anyone here have read books, watched movies or listened to songs that sucked. But we dont call death threats on them. Seems thats a game only thing. An yes people saying it are arseholes, but if you had kids you would take those threats seriously. Regardless if its some anon guy, you still would take it seriously. End of the day, yes a game sucked, ME3 ending sucked, i got over that after an hour. An this is after re buying ME1 and ME2 before ME3 was released to replay those games. ME3 ending sucked. But, people are acting like its a cancer thats eating their brain and only a good ending can fix it. Get over it. If a bad game ending is that bad that it effects you months later, then you have major issues.
Now these arseholes are using language to state their level of anger. They wont rape or kill or anything, though if you are on the receiving end im sure you will worry. Especially if you have kids. On this site this language is not acceptable. On others it is. Thing is the stories in that game would good, just the repeating levels etc sucked. Gamers need to stop expecting everything to be awesome. CoD is awesome because it knows what the fans want. It cant fail. Others try something different, fail, but people call death to everyone involved. You know what, with out new ideas, we would still be playing Pong.
Now these arseholes are using language to state their level of anger. They wont rape or kill or anything, though if you are on the receiving end im sure you will worry. Especially if you have kids. On this site this language is not acceptable. On others it is. Thing is the stories in that game would good, just the repeating levels etc sucked. Gamers need to stop expecting everything to be awesome. CoD is awesome because it knows what the fans want. It cant fail. Others try something different, fail, but people call death to everyone involved. You know what, with out new ideas, we would still be playing Pong.
There's nothing for me to take the wrong way. It's standard post snipping. No worries.ChrowX said:
Quite true, but the problem is their vocal nature. Non-gamers only perk their ears when some truly horrid howling is heard from our hills, so to speak, so they get the impression that your average gamer is somewhere up there with your average bath salts-snorting face-muncher. Either we segregate them, or we teach the greater masses to disregard the howler monkeys we've got in our midst.ChrowX said:
Saw it a few weeks ago. Made me ashamed to be a gamer, honestly. Or, to be more precise, it made me proud that I was old enough to be able to distance myself from co-op or competitive gaming and go back to my personal roots whenever the primates become too hard to bear. I'm a point-and-click and role-playing type of gamer, for the most part, with a very casual investment in a couple shooters. I'm one of million other guys and gals like myself, and we all probably feel grossly misrepresented by the general idea the rest of the world has of the gamer culture.ChrowX said:
And here is a major problem I have with the whole issue.gigastar said:
First of all she didn't say that, she said that she was tired of how games were always about violence and killing as opposed to something else. Second of all, even if she did say that, why does it matter? She wasn't ripping all of the gameplay out of Dragon Age 2, her opinion was just that, her opinion. It wasn't hurting anyone, why do we care about it? Thirdly, the woman got death threats and people keep bringing this up, why? We have an example of how frighteningly toxic our culture can get, and people keep trying to bring up this harmless thing that she said so long ago. You are missing the point! A massive amount of hate was directed towards this woman, threats and harassment, and people still keep bringing up what she said as if it was some unspeakable sin that we shouldn't let go. It was just an opinion, I myself think that it was a dumb opinion, but that's all it was, a dumb opinion. I don't see why we need to keep bringing it up at every turn and I really don't see what harm it did.
The definition of a white knightjluzar20 said:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20knight
It doesn't really match up with what Jim is doing at all.
How many people honestly sent death threats to Hepler about her children? I bettering it was no more then a few(3-4) and likely as little as 1.
The problem is that this stuff is meant to stir up fake controversy. Its an excuse for the victim to point the finger at all of us and tell us what a bad group of people we are. I think its deplorable that someone would send death threats about a Woman's children. That doesn't mean I am OK with the victims of such crimes using it as an excuse to shout, "Look, look, I'm being oppressed" and try to villainize against all of their critics, including the one that only make fair and logical criticism and don't send death threats, by putting them in the same category.
If I were in the same position as her, and got those death threats, none of you would know about it. I would simply delete the email. If I felt it was a real enough treat I would tell the police. I wouldn't feel the need to post them on a blog or message board somewhere as a means of casting guilt on the gaming community and bashing my critics.
The problem is that this stuff is meant to stir up fake controversy. Its an excuse for the victim to point the finger at all of us and tell us what a bad group of people we are. I think its deplorable that someone would send death threats about a Woman's children. That doesn't mean I am OK with the victims of such crimes using it as an excuse to shout, "Look, look, I'm being oppressed" and try to villainize against all of their critics, including the one that only make fair and logical criticism and don't send death threats, by putting them in the same category.
If I were in the same position as her, and got those death threats, none of you would know about it. I would simply delete the email. If I felt it was a real enough treat I would tell the police. I wouldn't feel the need to post them on a blog or message board somewhere as a means of casting guilt on the gaming community and bashing my critics.
I can't help but think that this video is rather pointless - the people that Jim is making this video to argue against are unlikely to watch this. I think most of us know that it's BAD to say such things, it's just a few idiots who have to ruin it for the rest of us.
If Jim were a forum poster, we'd all be telling him to stop feeding the trolls.
Between this, the Anita Sarkesian thing and the Dragon's Crown review "controversy"; the whole message can be summed up by "Hey jerks, stop being ridiculous over-the-top jerks" and yet without Jim ranting for however many minutes about it, I'd never have heard about any of them.
If nothing else, the people who act out like that probably love the fact that it kicks up a storm. And those of us who watch the Jimquisition just get a bit fed up of being called "sick fuck(s)".
Between this, the Anita Sarkesian thing and the Dragon's Crown review "controversy"; the whole message can be summed up by "Hey jerks, stop being ridiculous over-the-top jerks" and yet without Jim ranting for however many minutes about it, I'd never have heard about any of them.
If nothing else, the people who act out like that probably love the fact that it kicks up a storm. And those of us who watch the Jimquisition just get a bit fed up of being called "sick fuck(s)".
Quite the opposite.Retrograde said:
As others in this discussion forum have made very clear to you already, subcultures are viewed as a collective. It's not just some random asshole on the internet that can't buy or even sell certain games in countries like Australia, it's everyone. Like it or not, we're judged as a group & need to take a certain level of responsibility for the actions of the group. I didn't send those threatening emails, & odds are neither did you, but responding with inaction & indifference makes us complicit. Saying nothing is the same thing as condoning it.
As a culture that often identifies by both its intellect & history of social stratification & inequity, we should be above that. I'm not saying it will never happen, there will always be trolls. I'm saying we should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than rabid One Direction fangirls
You know, I think anyone whose immediate response to this isn't "Yeah, fuck those guys!" is part of the problem. Death-threat spewing, insane fanatical assholes that infest our community need to be cast out and ostracized. They need to be exiled and we need to show that THEY DO NOT DEFINE US.
Anyone who thinks "Oh they should just grow thicker skin" or "Oh stop making general statements" or "Oh focus on the good" or "Oh blah blah men blah misandry" are indirectly supporting the behavior by not showing it the absolute contempt it deserves.
Anyone who thinks "Oh they should just grow thicker skin" or "Oh stop making general statements" or "Oh focus on the good" or "Oh blah blah men blah misandry" are indirectly supporting the behavior by not showing it the absolute contempt it deserves.