Jimquisition: Metacritic Isn't the Problem

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mikespoff

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I'm trying, like really trying to give this series another chance, you know? The subject looks interesting, I'll see if his style has improved over the past month or so (haven't watched since the third one).

But this is not a good start:
Jim Sterling said:
Oh you poor, sad little cretins. You are all so wrong. Always. Forever. Jim Sterling illuminates your path, but what good does that do when you refuse to open your eyes? Oh, he's so much better than you.
...and I couldn't sit through the whole review. Sounded like he might have had some interesting ideas waiting to come out, but after two minutes I just couldn't take it any more.
 

Keslen

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It's unfortunate that this topic was covered in the Jimquisition. I'd like to see it discussed in a video that wasn't mundane and boring and didn't insult my intelligence.

Maybe Extra Credits will discuss it in the near future?
 

itsmeyouidiot

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I still want to see Jim's review scores from Metacritic for one reason only: Sonic Colors.

The only reason it doesn't have a score higher than the DS version is because of Jim's bullshit review.

Just accept the fact that your review are terrible, Jim. Hell, I want to see him kicked off of the Escapist along with Yahtzee for his general asshattery.
 

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People are still trying to complain Jim off of The Escapist? I must clap towards the weeks you all spent doing that. It seems to be working wonderfully...

Also, for the person wondering about him and his use of "God". I'd surmise that he just wants to emphasize how important he is, not insult those of faith.

And finally, I use review scores~ Say what you want about them, but very, very, *very* few games outside of the 80-100 range stand up to the actual games that have those high scores. Maybe you yourself may have "more fun than I had with this popular game", but once you add in the technical aspects and the solid gameplay most of the higher games have, your "okay game" doesn't look too appealing. There's no need to justify your purchase, nor convince yourself you're playing a better game than the ones playing the popular and high rated games.

Not that I like Call of Duty: Modern Gameplay 77 or hate Drakengard: Incest-Related-Suicides, but review scores from reliable sites tend to do a great job at explaining their score and why I should pay attention to a game I otherwise snuffed at. I like Drakengard more than I could ever like CoD, but I would never rate it higher than than the recent CoD games. I just don't have that kind of bias, especially since people rely on me for a fair assessment of a game their interested in.

Of course, if a gamer is coming to me for which one has the original story or characters~ Now excuse me as I reach out for this rage-shield. ~_~
 

Lvl 64 Klutz

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Great discussion. Terrible video. What on Earth did any of that game footage have to do with anything!? It's nice to see someone filling out their video with something other than stock photos and their own poorly designed clip art, but it should also be contextual.
 

twm1709

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I still don't think Jim works as good on camera as he does in "paper" but I'm becoming more and more fond of him.
Recently I started visiting Destructoid and I'm actually anxious to read his articles about games and news.

EDIT: Am I the only one who gets an "inspector gadget" vibe from the music in the background?
 

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Any game whose PR reps so much as tacitly implies black-listing of any kind should be subject to boycott.
Yes, as a matter of fact, two wrongs do make a right sometimes(not that there is anything wrong with boycotting someone for using such underhanded tactics against anyone issuing an unfavorable review)!

Alright, that's just a further excuse for those who don't want to buy Duke Nukem Forever to continue doing so while feeling as if they are taking a stand against bullies trying to push around critics and pull the wool over the consumer public's eyes.

Does this mean that Meta-Critic gets Jim Sterling's approval or at least acceptance?
So....does that mean Meta-Critic gets about a 6 out of 10 or what?
 

bootz

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I dont know maybe if certain reviewers didnt bomb game scores for attention then I think it would be fixed
 

plainlake

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Wait, so metacritic WAS to blame? I dont think he got the message through even after 5 minutes of you saying it again and again. The worst thing is agreeing with him from the start. Please take on more issues than one or expand on it next time, please.
 

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It's a dirty job but only a crazy bastard like Jim can do it. Thumbs up!





Note to people who freak out over Jim's Persona: turn on FM radio sometime and listen to any number of chat shows; that'll put Jim's style and "webcam personality" all into perspective.
 

Braedan

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Jim seems like he really hates doing these videos. Obviously he's trying to play the "thank god for me" bits for laughs, and maybe it's just me... but that's the attitude I'm getting.
 

The Lugz

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well, this one was better jim
but it's still not life as we know it

it is of coarse, impossible to argue that a review / average score site is to blame for crummy game review scores

it's clearly just developers making terrible games and reviewers ripping the crap out of them publicly instead of people being mildly aggravated by a game mechanic, or whatever now they just skip the game entirely

seems a bit harsh, but that's life these days seems if you aren't exceptional your nobody, i blame the Americans and their pop idol attitude to life oozing over into the rest of popular media
 

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This was the first Jimquisition episode I watched and... well...

While I thought the argument was solid (if a bit too easy) and agreeable... I gotta say I'm not a fan of the over exaggerated ego character Jim goes with.
 

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I love this guy! I also watched his youtube videos and I'm really glad he is on board the escapist boat! I just hope the haters don't force the "Bosses" to kick him off the site. I feel like he belongs in the escapist family, one that is home to critics that deliver valid points of views, each in his unique way (though I am fairly certain that Mr. Croshaw is the source of inspiration for many of them and not only on the escapist :p).

Long live Yahtzee, Moviebob, James, Daniel, Allison, Jim and every other content provider! You guys are awesome :D
 

Sonic Doctor

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Jim Sterling said:
Metacritic Isn't the Problem

Oh you poor, sad little cretins. You are all so wrong. Always. Forever. Jim Sterling illuminates your path, but what good does that do when you refuse to open your eyes? Oh, he's so much better than you.

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Very good points.

Though I see it as only a very small bit like 20% that is the fault of publishers on this subject , I see it as 70% a problem created by as you said it OCD Fanboys. These people don't understand how to give a review and a reasonable review score for the situation.

Dragon Age 2 is a good example. In my opinion, the only flaw was the repeat dungeons, so I only take a point off for that, so I gave it 9 out of 10.

Now, all the things that people were bad mouthing the game for(other than the repeat dungeons), the slight change in the inventory system, the overhaul of the skills system, the dialogue wheel that just makes dialogue clearer so that people don't have to guess what will happen when they say something, and the slight change in combat(seriously, the only thing they changed was that they gave the player control over their normal attack instead of making it automated, oh and the player can actually run and move instead of walking at a snails pace), in reality are things that only effect gameplay slightly. The game still runs and the graphics are a good bit better, and if one plays every piece of content out for the game, it is easily a 50 to 60 hour game.

But these fanboys of the first game, instead of looking at any of the possible good points that they don't mention and they must have been good since they didn't bad mouth them, they just state what they didn't like about the game and then give it a zero.

A zero? A zero to two is for a game that is so bad that it can't be completed/beat because it is incredibly glitched up. Whether the game gets a zero, one, or two depends on how far the player was able to get in said glitched game. Three to five is for a game a player that didn't like a game but it still functioned. Six to Seven is for mediocre to okay, and eight to ten is for good to great.

One reason that the fanboys give the zeros is because they pathetically think that the developer will think that they made a big mistake somewhere and change the game back to what the first installment use to be, though any smart developer will just laugh at the whiner that doesn't give a reasonable score because said whiner is just crying for attention, "Boohoo, I wasn't able to customize my character right down to the shape and color of his toenails!"

Lastly I do lay 10% of fault on Metacritic. They could easily remove problem reviews that abuse the system because the reviewers weren't being rational. They could also remove the "professional" reviews that don't actually take a professional stance and act just as like those OCD fanboys and throw temper-tantrums like two year-olds and throw undeserved bottom scores. The reason I think this is import is because these reviews do influence people(though people that don't look closely). My example goes back to DA2, and a fellow Escapist user that went sometime without buying it because they saw the user review scores were so bad on Metacritic, when he finally tried the game, he found it was really great and wished he hadn't waited so long to get it. So such user reviews and unprofessional "professional" reviews are harmful, and Metacritic should take that into account and at least do some regulation on what get's put up and added to the review total.
 

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I agree placing the real blame where it lies, and when people insult Meta Critic I think they are in fact insulting these groups, the dumb believers of Meta Critic. If we all shout that we hate Meta Critic enough, maybe the idiots that believe in it will stop.

Still, that isn't to say you can't hate Meta Critic for what it is. Using the same analogy of blaming a Knife Manufacturer for people getting stab, a company can create a product that makes it more dangerous than it needs to be.

Meta Critic claims to be able to sum up scores of all critics, and that's a dangerous thing to get people to believe in. Meta Critic avoids taking responsibility for the results of a system they designed. Meta Critic avoid building an archive of old famous games to use as an example or test to validate their scoring system.

A lot of nice well intention people work together to take a small part in creating an utter disaster. They can do it be cause they think their blame less. No rain drop thinks it's the blame for the flood. But they do play a part in this, and there are things they could do to make things better. The fact that they don't is why its so easy for everyone to pile on the blame on them.
 

Sonic Doctor

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Lt. Vinciti said:
Whats a Metacritic and why does it bother people so much?


Im not trolling I just dont get the fuss...
This is Metacritic:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dragon-age-ii/user-reviews?dist=negative

This is also an example of why people don't like it, because people when they don't like a game instead of giving a reasoned review and score, they just give the game a zero and move on, which actually hurts how prospective buyers make their purchases and hurts the sales of the game. With Dragon Age 2, if you remove all the unreasonable no thought given zero scores the user score would be around 7.5 instead of 4.4. It really should make a viewer wonder why the professional review average is a 79 out of 100(basically a 7.9). Of course people wrongfully make up stories that reviewers are bribed(while it happens, it probably only effects 1 out of every 100 professional reviews). So the only thing the gap can mean is that the professionals were reviewing the game professionally, while 90% of all the low score user reviews were unreasonable and should be taken down because they add nothing to situation and artificially lower a game's score.
 

Callate

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It's not metacritic's fault that people use their scores in ways never intended, yes.

It is metacritic's fault that the way which scores are chosen and how they're weighted and retabulated- on both the critic- and consumer-review sides- is non-transparent and possibly ill-suited to the task of providing accurate critical consensus.

And I do think that perhaps Metacritic has to take its share of lumps in this idea that every game has to have a score within a handsbreadth of 80; they don't have to put everything into traffic-light coloring systems, and even Rotten Tomatoes does a better job of illuminating what's actually behind the "average" critical response.
 

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erbkaiser said:
Some good points made here, but unfortunately a lot too much arrogance for me to actually like this video.
A little less ego and a little more depth on exactly why the misuse of Metacritic is harmful, and here I mean that in videogame reviews for some insane reason a '70' means mediocre and a '60' means horrible, and the video would have been much better.
Your in trouble. Ego IS his hook you might as well ask yahtzee to stop being cynical or movie bob to stop being a nerd.