Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

Warachia

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Dexter111 said:
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hickwarrior said:
Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be.
Did you miss half the episode? A good chunk of Jim's point was the fact that they were trying to do everything but take responsibility for their own "style."
Where the eff do you people come from? "Take responsibility"? Responsibility for what, a design choice in a game appealing to a certain target audience? They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people. They made a product that may not appeal to you, wtf do they need to take "responsibility" for?

Regarding the "culture" thing, it's apparently easy for people from the US (or generally the west) to fall back on that and call it "reprehensible" or whatever, but do they give a shit about what for instance Arabic or Indian people think when they produce entertainment products? Are they sensitive about Islamic people for instance not wanting to see the female form displayed in the way it is?
I actually remember a recent movie made in the US that actually got a large amount of people killed: http://gawker.com/5942651/the-filmmaker-who-made-the-anti+islam-video-that-sparked-violent-mideast-protests-is-a-ghost and it's still protected by "freedom of speech", but people are taking an issue over this and demand them to take "responsibility"?
This level of hypocrisy seriously pisses me off.
Maybe you wouldn't be pissed off if you weren't put words into his mouth, then thinking he said them.

"They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people." Who the hell said they did? Why the hell did you bring this up? What point could you have possibly been making that you would need this type of comparison? The point that they do need to take responsibility for is they need to look at faults in the game, and admit that it was their fault, not the audience's fault that it's there.

I imagine films made in the US that would be offensive in other countries are simply not shown in other countries, or they are altered.

Then you are bringing up the story of the other film, WHY are you blaming the person who made the video and not the murderers? WHY are you lumping people in this comments section in with that trailer? It is not hypocrisy to demand a change to something if you are the market and they are trying to get you to buy their product, NOBODY before you brought up that trailer, it would only be hypocrisy if they defend that trailer, and then agree with Jim.
 

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karamazovnew said:
I've never played a DoA title and I will probably continue in that tradition, now that I have a hard-on for grand-strategy games... But I don't understand why all the laments about the big wobbly boobs in Japanese games.

Seriously guys, Japan has been spewing some really crazy shit over the years. I use to love animes during the 90's and early 2000's but I can't look at the new ones anymore. I've had my fair share of hentai, I've never enjoyed it but I could understand people who did, I even saw a few as "artistic". But the new ones are just... wtf?! I don't like to stereotype japanese people as being perverted and crazy. But their perverted and crazy ones are more perverted and crazier than any other country has to offer.

So excuse me if having big wobbly breasts in a fighting game doesn't seem the end of the world to me. At least they're honest about it. Plus, big breasts are what DoA is all about. If I were a fan, I'd be pretty pissed about normal breasts in DoA 4 too. I'm amazed at the nerve of us westerners. How dare we complain about sexualization in other cultures, when our TV shows contain more sex than a mild hentai? Big Bang Theory has 99% sex jokes and 1% geek jokes? How the heck did that happen?! Unrealistic polygon boobs are nothing compared to that.
No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.

Guys, you know, you can just make porn if you want to. Nobody's going to stop you. But you can't expect to structure your narrative around drinking magic breast milk and expect us to take you seriously. Not gonna happen.
 

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Urgh. Jim is looking for something to complain about, and this wasn't worth the time. There was very little to it apart from shouting his own disgust.

You can say the Japanese should not act according to their culture, they should act according to a western progressive culture, but it is just an attempt to browbeat difference to force it to accord with your values. I didn't think you would be akin to a western imperialist Jim, but when people are offended such ideas of controlling the deviant really come out. They have a place they are coming from, accept it and move on.

Suck it up, it is Japan, they do this a lot in their pop culture. If we forced them to change, we would be pushing more towards sameness wouldn't we?
 

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Dexter111 said:
Where the eff do you people come from? "Take responsibility"? Responsibility for what, a design choice in a game appealing to a certain target audience? They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people.
Yay! False dichotomy for the win!

Seriously? You have children take responsibility for things they do, but it's okay for Team Ninja to pretend it's everyone else's fault because they didn't "cause the holocaust?"
 

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Paragon Fury said:
I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.
Yep. And the white haired assassin woman is certainly not a child character.
 

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DanDeFool said:
karamazovnew said:
No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.
I freaking love that show.

The creator obviously gives 0 fucks about anything.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Yay! False dichotomy for the win!

Seriously? You have children take responsibility for things they do, but it's okay for Team Ninja to pretend it's everyone else's fault because they didn't "cause the holocaust?"
...What holocaust?
I see no goddamn holocaust, other than a few people bickering in 1 thread.

DoA5 WILL sell well. The fake breast physics aren't going to stop, or even hinder the sales. The game will ultimately be judged on it's fighting mechanics, the criticism of fake/unrealistic boobs will be tossed aside.

Jim, and other people in this thread - you can get mad, angry and rage at the teens with monster-fake tits that jiggle unrealistically. You can throw all your rage in Team Ninja.
And Team Ninja will then proceed to chuck your rage into a wastepaper basket and continue to do whatever they do to keep selling their games.

Have fun.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Wait.

If Team Ninja outright said they have a tit fetish, wouldnt that be bad PR?
I believe Itagaki himself said something akin to that in an interview several years back. Don't quote me on that however; lemme see if I can find the interview featured on DoA2U...

Here we go. I'm pretty sure this is the one.


OT: Yet another reason why many, myself included, laud DoA3 as the best in the series. Speaking purely about the breast physics, sure, while the sizes and shapes themselves were a little exaggerated, the actual movements were subtle and somewhat natural (I guess... it's been a while). Either way, the breasts didn't move like a pair of water balloons on a see-saw like in some of the more recent DoA games.

At least things haven't gotten as ridiculous as some of the lady-type characters in the Soul Calibur series, with Sophitia being the worst offender...

http://ogiuemaniax.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/sophitia_comparison.jpg

Addendum: Don't get me wrong, I love DoA; it's my favorite 3D fighter series next to Soul Calibur. And don't get me wrong further, I love breasts as much as the next guy (or gal); hell, Queen's Blade is one of my favorite anime (Elina and Tomoe all day). But having breasts that jiggle like a bowl of gelatin during an earthquake is a little unnerving.

Addendum addendum: I mean... just a little.
 

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WaitWHAT said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.
Did you ever try Hellsing? It's like that tits scene, but on the violence side of the crazy coin.
Manga, original anime or Ultimate, just to know if you mean crazy or Nazi hiding on the dark side of a Giant Star Turtle crazy ?
 

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You're totally free to criticize these games and what they represent,
but in the end it's their buying audience who'll determine whether it stays around.

While personally I'm not a fan of fighting games, I do enjoy over-the-top CG characters and scenarios.
I don't want my entertainment to be utterly constricted by realism and real life.

Much of the purpose of entertainment (in all forms) is to take us away from the world we inhabit, showing us glimpses of far-fetched ideas.
Whether it's Harry Potter universe, Mass Effect, or CG porn.

Lastly, we should probably judge our own culture before shitting on others, the west has plenty of 'issues' to work through after all.
 

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It would't be such a issue if they themselves weren't so pushing it. I knew everything what I needed to know of Team Ninja when they essentially said that there 'big feature' was the jiggle physics of the breasts of female character. The commercial that was showed in video really shows how they see it, or how at least the publisher sees it. "We have huge tits with physics on this 14 year old girl, isn't that hot?" No, it isn't and you certainly can't pull the 'cultural' card here. The game is also (and maybe even mainly) created for a western audience, so you are not supplying your own 'culture'.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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I cackled like a mad scientist discovering pop rocks.

I have no problem with buxom women. Most of the human species, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, most of US EVERYWHERE, love and revere breasts. They are delightful, they are beautiful they are not balloons in a wind tunnel. That's the difference. I'm not sure about this children's body thing was on bout, but the women of dead or alive and their demonically possessed mammary glands are a great example of wanting one thing (titillation, sex appeal) and getting something else (freak show clown-breasts). I've always had an issue with this. I played Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 (I use "played" loosely as this isn't much of a game at all) and was put off by it's lackluster execution. The hands and feet didn't articulate at all, and the faces wee frozen and scarier than anything I'd ever encountered in Silent hill. Does this mean I hate sex in games? Not at all, hell I welcome it as much as I would in movies or television as long as it is somehow meaningfully executed.

The issue with their breasts are the worst offenders of all. Tipping their head to one side or moving a hand would result in a violent breast revolt, as if they were literally attempting to free themselves from these women and escape earth's gravity. The new Dead or Alive game does indeed look better from what little I have seen, their women no longer look like strange anime mannequins, I just hope they realize bigger isn't always better (nothing wrong with big, humble, and all in between), and lifelike, if sex is their goal, would probably mean less silly-putty physics.
 

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I guess I'm a sexual deviant, then. Not that that's any surprise, really. In fact, I've known it for a long time. That may not be the way breasts work in real life, but I'm sure as hell going to enjoy them in all of their fake, fantastic, imagined, unreal glory. I'm not particularly fond of real women, anyway.

Still an entertaining episode, though. Jim, you're a funny guy, even if I don't share your views.
 
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389418-Dead-or-Alive-5-Director-A-Lot-of-Fans-Want-Bigger-Breasts?page=7#15641671]
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.
B) You're arguing now that it's WRONG. Not that it's hypocritical.
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
Most Japanese woman look younger than they actually are so eh it's not a big surprise to me. Another thing I thought of why they use over the top physics on breast is well "pardon me for saying this since it might be sexist in nature", the Japanese woman are not well endowed if you catch my drift. So basically they don't have any thing that decent in terms of breast "from the amount of Asian porn I've watched anyways aside from J-cup specials >__>" Ahem basically I'm saying they are not a diverse group of people like us with a wide range of variety of breast sizes. If this post is found in an-way offensive or sexist I'm truly sorry but this just my honest opinion on the issue.
blackdwarf said:
It would't be such a issue if they themselves weren't so pushing it. I knew everything what I needed to know of Team Ninja when they essentially said that there 'big feature' was the jiggle physics of the breasts of female character. The commercial that was showed in video really shows how they see it, or how at least the publisher sees it. "We have huge tits with physics on this 14 year old girl, isn't that hot?" No, it isn't and you certainly can't pull the 'cultural' card here. The game is also (and maybe even mainly) created for a western audience, so you are not supplying your own 'culture'.
No one in DoA is under the age of 18 expect for kasumi who is 17 and japan's law on AOC is 16 so there not breaking any laws.. okay I'm done defending them, it took all I had to just do this post.
 

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all i know is as a girl, if my boobs moved the way they do in DOA i'd try to remove them because they would be annoying as hell.