I'm actually unable to watch any jimquisition videos as of last night. Plus, the image link to the series on the main page calendar is blank. 99% sure it's not on our end.PromethianSpark said:
Because society isn't the sum of it's parts. It is the lowest common denominator of them. You cannot blame single individuals (with the exception of persons with power and authority) for the actions of a group, because they play such a small role if any. Now, if you want groups and people in power of these groups to take responsibility and let them take the roles of a parent, a teacher and/or a moral guide, you'll end up with cameras all over the street, Prism and Saints Row IV getting banned, for example. Our society needs law but law isn't morality. Morality can be found in sociology, psychology, philosophy and even in some religions. These fields could influence the law more but they are still there. My point is, if you are not ready for a revolution, you shouldn't give the current system more power to have over the lives of individuals by demanding they take responsibility. The system will elude responsibility and try to do stupid things that everyone seems to want, to shut them up. An individual can be a sensible person, open to reason and discussion but groups and persons with a strong connection to a group, are almost allways going to behave as ignorant, stupid, irresponsible brats.JimB said:
Sorry to hear that.
More importantly, it depends on the context. As I have said before, neither side of a conversation has a burden to understand what the other is saying, it's a co-operative activity. But you can't use a word with more than one meaning without relying on the other person to interpret it correctly. It is not despite the words I choose as if I'm being deliberately obtuse, I'm using words in ways that are known and common, but some people attribute attitudes to their use that are not present, and it's my experience that they do this deliberately out of an agenda that I disagree with.JimB said:
Indeedie - I like the fact that you can just about be anything human that you want to be. That said, I mainly use the stock characters because I can never think what to make them look like... that said, I'm glad the feature's there, and replaying Saints Row 3 again, I can see how inclusive they actually are; its surprising really that a game that goes out of its way to let you 'lolz' citizens, society as a whole, and normality in general actually manages to be so inclusive. I do hope Saint's Row 4 manages that too (and from what Jim and the escapist's review suggest, I think they have).Machine Man 1992 said:
Indeedie - I watched Total Biscuit's first impressions, and he seemed to show the game has some glaring flaws...BUT he concluded that the game just tries to go out of its way to be so fun, and the dialog/story are good enough to make it an enjoyable experience.Stabby Joe said:
I think you misunderstand my point. When I talk about assigning responsibility to persons, I mean real responsibility, not the blame of being associated with a larger group. The actions we all take are real, and they all ripple. If society is the lowest common denominator of its population as you say, then sure, some enlightened individual or another has in no way participated in endemic sexism...but that Bodhisattva also has not done enough to make society better than it is, so that is his responsibility as well. How much responsibility is not my call to make, and I'm not interested in assigning penalties, so don't mistake me there: All I want, all I consider to be responsibility, is people not pretending themselves blameless.nuttshell said:
No. Law is social order. Morality has little to do with it.nuttshell said:
Look, can we drop the hypotheticals? I'm getting dizzy trying to talk about this without talking about this. What word are you using that has two definitions, one of which contradicts the other so much that it changes the entire meaning of what you're saying?MeChaNiZ3D said:
Yes, it would be nice, if people in groups would do that more often. Saying, for example: "Listen, we know we were dicks and we apoligize for it. We are doing everything we can to correct our mistakes." and actually doing something about it but they don't. They will try everything to distract the public from their mistakes, ignore and miscredit the critics, turn the mistake into some kind of virtue, play the unknowing victim or the underdog card, polirizing public opinion and actually doing some damage in the process, until they can finally go to the bank again. Almost every group that has ever made a mistake in it's lifetime hasn't stood up to admit it. Even when they admit, they usually sound like complete dicks about it. And I know of no group that hasn't tried anything of the above before admiting a mistake.JimB said:
I am sorry, if my style and focus points of interest led you to believe that I had that impression...I actually believe we have very similar views and I enjoy this conversation as it helps me formulate my own views on this topic which I feel strongly about (society, group dynamics and morality).
Yeah, video doesn't work for me for some reason. Not a site issue as I just watched a couple from MovieBob, so clearly Jim is just broken. Horribly, horribly broken.PromethianSpark said:
Oh no, not at all! Quite the opposite, in fact. I tend to focus on disagreements in my responses more than agreements, sometimes to the exclusion of agreements, so I was worried my agreement would actually come off as a disagreement without that disclaimer.nuttshell said:
He's probably just punishing us for not viewing the video the day it's uploaded. Hope it gets fixed soon though, as it's rather annoying.SonicWaffle said:
Oh, thats great then, I am relieved.JimB said:
It doesn't do a discussion any good, if it focuses on agreement...we have masturbation for that. I know, most people don't understand discussions and assume that opposing opinions are verbal agression or even abuse...
Those are not mutually exclusive circumstances though, and you cannot blame the consumer for them.bobleponge said:
I'll cross that bridge about your first scenario when we get there, honestly. I do feel like that there will not be a 100% no women scene in development if they were left to their own devices.Father Time said:
