Jimquisition: Rise Of The Exclusivity Wars

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This guy is cute he thinks he is special because he can use simple logic to predict retarded shit the industry will do. I predicted the sun would rise every single day for the past 20 years and shall do for ht enext few thousand. Behold MY godly power!

I also predict there will be hurricanes and tornados this year that destroy thousands of lives one hurricane will have the strength to make it from Florida all the way to Cannada at least the rain and some of its winds will which will happen next year.

Jim shall lose some weight and nobody will have noticed by the end of this year.

The escapist will continue to allow Zero Punctuation to post troll like reviews similar to how Duke Nukem had three different videos only one being legit one of which shall appear by this time next year.

Although having out a new model as of last year the Xbox 360 will slowly die off next year due to lack of support eventually turning the way of Nintendo and having its online functions cut.

Speaking of Nintendo they will dominate this console generation simply by its extensively growing list of exclusives.

Nintendo will also find a new way to piss off gamers by the end of this year with whatever issue they introduced like more copyright nonsense or cutting features from older Nintendo systems. Caint wait for my Nintendo Wii to lost online functions...wait bit late on that.

Also Battlefield Hardline will release next year at a time compeating with another shooter at the time and it will be the superior product unlike with the Call of Duty Ghosts/Battlefield 4 release. This time the game will function as an FPS, still remaining fairly borken in areas requiring a patch week 1.


This time next year I will be quoted at least by myself to brag about how any of these predictions came true. Thank God for Jim Sterling and thank Evolution for me.
Nintendo already announced the cut of online functions for the wii in late may 2014. I however have to admit that you can still use some of the channels that do not require an online function (anymore). (I love the fact that nintendo still gave the wii a slew of Neo Geo titles by the end of may 2014. I guess it was one of the few consoles that had some great final games coming out for it.)
 

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Imagine, for a minute, the reaction if any other industry tried this shit. How about the film industry. What if a cinema chain reached out to Marvel and said "if you airbrush Black Widow out of Avengers 2 for everyone else, so that we have the exclusive version of the movie, we'll give you some cash"? That shit would not fly. Or what if DVDs worked that way? "Want to watch Guardians of the Galaxy? Your DVD player better be manufactured by Sony, it won't work on competitors' players!" Or what if auto manufacturers started abusing the adopt-a-highway program and only let people driving their brand of cars drive on "their" roads? Or, what if Apple made a deal with Pizza Hut that says you can only order delivery if you call on an iPhone? Somehow, I don't think that would go over very well.
For some reason the video game industry is allowed to get away with countless blatantly obviously exploitative business practices that with any other industries would cause them to fall if they tried to pull the same crap at least openly, exclusivity is just one of them. If you can think of a bad thing for an industry to do short of outright crime, chances are the video game industry has done it, is doing it, and will continue to do it and getting off scot free while flaunting the fact that they're doing this and giving their customers the middle finger all the way. This is the direct result of the endless streams of blind fans and casuals that buy up anything the video game industry spews out without care for how they are being screwed and keep popping up 10 more for every one that wises up.

What needs to happen is a least one if not several big time companies need to go under as a direct result of pulling this blatantly exploitative crap and send a message to everybody else that's left that this crap IS BAD in BRIGHT SHINING NEON or else this kind of thing is just going to keep happening and keep getting worse.
OK:
Criminal stuff the video game industry is not doing (right now):
1: Underpaying its employees: People who work at the video game industry gain around 2000$ per month.
2: Create wars to create demand: For obvious reasons.
3: Avoiding government taxes with bribery: Again, for obvious reasons.
4: Forcing underage people to work for them because they cost less: Ironically, that (together with 1) used to be a thing in the computer game (and software) industry in the 1980's. I do not know why they have stopped it. It probably is so because the companies that are still left think a lot about the employees that work there
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The best part is that those practices are done in some industries.
 

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The Exclusive DLC in game is what piss me off the more. How can they explain that i pay the same price for a game, but get less, for the same game?
 

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Some people say that it makes sense for Crystal to release the PS4 version later than the XB1 version, because otherwise it would have to compete against Uncharted 4. It sounds like a good point... except that it doesn't explain why the heck they'll exclude the PC too! (and I'm pretty sure Uncharted 4 won't be released on PC)
 

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hydrolythe said:
OK:
Criminal stuff the video game industry is not doing (right now):
1: Underpaying its employees: People who work at the video game industry gain around 2000$ per month.
2: Create wars to create demand: For obvious reasons.
3: Avoiding government taxes with bribery: Again, for obvious reasons.
4: Forcing underage people to work for them because they cost less: Ironically, that (together with 1) used to be a thing in the computer game (and software) industry in the 1980's. I do not know why they have stopped it. It probably is so because the companies that are still left think a lot about the employees that work there
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The best part is that those practices are done in some industries.
That's why I said "short of outright crime". So far most of the video game industry is only doing legal stuff, but they're still doing terrible stuff anyway.
 

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Goliath100 said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
I cannot control the visions that come to me. Such is my blessing, and my curse.
Should we start calling you St.Jimmy?
What you did there. I see it.

p.s. did you just call him a "Figment of your father's rage and your mother's love?"
 

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Also, regarding the word "exclusive". I recall Ubisoft, almost proudly, proclaiming that the next Assassin's Creed will be available "exclusively" on Xbox One, PS4, and PC... In other words, it's pretty much on every console... but the Wii U. You know, you can't really use the word "exclusive" when you're referring to essentially three-fourths of the gaming industry...
 

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Precognition eh? Didn't call the Zoe Quinn debacle playing the victim for publicity. How about doing an article on the downright corruption of your games reporting industry that you can get manipulated so much.

You jumped firmly into the Zoe Quinn corner and decried any critics. Now you have to answer for your sins
 

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Jim is Love, Jim is Life. We all knew that Jim has become a god. Now we have hard evidence!

Exclusivity overall is a very bad thing, in any industry. It is holding games ransom in gaming industry. The only two reasons i accept for games being exclusive are thus:

1. The game cannot physically run on another platform. For example the game requires certain peripheral not available on other platform or the other platform simply cannot process the game - this means a lot of old consoles dont get ports and thats ok, they cant run it. you dont expect Atari2600 to run Crysis.

2. The company Lacks skill to port the game and the game did so poorly they cant afford to hire somone else. I can understand a company not going bancrupt over porting a game that did poorly. This covers a lot of Indies that simply dont know how to develop for consoles and dont have budgets to hire teams. The big industry has no excuse here though.
 

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MrBrightside919 said:
Well since i've indulged your blocks of bullsh!t...let me counter with my own block o' text...

1) Since when has console specs condemned a console to death? That way of thinking would mean that all other generations of consoles are retroactively bad because their specs aren't as good as the current gens. With that way of thinking, some of the most revered consoles of all time like the PS2, Wii, SNES, Playstation are now utter crap.

2) Having multiple control options isn't problematic at all. It gives players more choices. Don't like using a Wii remote? Get a classic controller and play your games that way. Got used to the previous console Wii remote and nunchuck? You can use them on the Wii U. Soon, there will be a Gamecube controller adapter that will let players use a Gamecube controller and soon after that, games will include the option to use that controller. The other consoles have multiple control options and there is nothing wrong with those so why is it only a problem with the Wii U.

3) Companies don't change their consoles CPU in the same generation.

4) Not every PS4/Xbone game runs at 60 fps. Hell, a lot of PC games don't run at 60 fps.

5) So because the Wii U can do the same things as the PS3/360 (both good consoles), that makes it bad? Another extremely closed minded thing to say. The PS4/Xbone do the same things as the PS3/360 so I guess they are bad too.

6) Does the Wii U REALLY need every Xbone/PS4 multiplatform game that is released? No. Sure, it would be nice to get some of the games that are released, but it doesn't NEED them...just like the Wii didn't need every PS3/360 multiplatform game to sell over 100 million Wii consoles. Do the PS4 and Xbone suck because they don't have the Nintendo games? No. I guess, according to you, the PC sucks at gaming too because it doesn't have a lot of the games exclusive to consoles.

7) You don't like the tablet controller so that makes it bad. I quite like the controller and being able to play games from the screen on the controller or watch online videos from the screen on the controller. I guess my opinion cancels your opinion out.

8) Nintendo has the Nintendo Network ID. You can download, erase and re-download just like any other console. You can even save everything to an external hard drive and carry it around with you if you want. What is to worry about on the Wii U that doesn't apply to every digital distribution outlet out there?

9) Again, i'm not sure you know what you are talking about when it comes to Nintendo and HD gaming.






Looks pretty damn good to me. I guess it just isn't dark and brown enough for your liking. Also, I guess I missed that generation of gaming when all that mattered was graphics.
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Practically EVERYTHING you've said is incredibly closed minded or you are flat out misinformed about things. Frankly, i'm not even sure you've ever touched a Wii U with your own hands.

You are sounding just like every other hater who has never even tried the Wii U...and if that is the case then i'm done talking to you because you spewing hateful crap won't stop me from liking the console or thinking it's "good".

You think the Wii U is bad. I think the Wii U is good. I guess we cancel each other out...

Found this just for you...seemed appropriate
1. No other console (save the wii, which pretty much had crap for good games outside a very few of Nintendo exclusives, most with mario in the title) had specs that were far closer to the last gen. With snes/genesis, ps1/n64, ps2/xbox/gamecube and ps3/ps4 they were all leaps and bounds ahead of the last generation, wiiU isn't, it's barely above ps3/360 in theory and practically it's done nothing better from a hardware perspective. If someone makes a multiplat for ps4/xbone they can't make it for wiiU because wiiU doesn't have the specs, I don't think there's a single multiplat on wiiU not on ps3/360 save for maybe some pc indie game.

2. Yes it is when you have to buy 5 different types of controller to play majority of games on the console it's a custer**** and just a waste of money not to mention is just confusing to people. If all (or atleast most) games were playable with all the controllers then it would be about choice.

3. That's my point, so wiiU is never going to get better in that regard so there's no wait for update or wait till later in the gen excuse

4. That's besides the point, if someone makes a game to ps4/xbone specs it's impossible to put it on wiiU.

5. Yep, if your pc could only do things a 7 year old pc could do, that you just bought brand new for more then the 7 year old pc costed I think you would consider it bad or atleast overpriced.

6. Yes it does... wii got 100 million because it launched super cheap and reached fad status, wiiU is neither. Nintendo games are solid don't get me wrong (rather lacking in story and are pretty much same old same old lately but still good solid games) but they don't have the resources to support a system on just their games I'm sorry. The droughts on the wiiU have pretty much proven this, they need to expand a lot more if they want to run a console successfully with no third party support. Not to mention alot of advertising comes from third parties and people like me who don't buy mutiple systems a gen aren't going to get a system without multiplats.

7. If the tablet controller was a good idea Nintendo would be using it in their games for more then a horn.

8. No it's not like any other console, do your research. Purchases are tied to the console not the account, and you need to go through consumer service to re-dowload on another console and are pretty much at their mercy, on psn/xbl/steam/every other thing like it, you just need to log in and possibly register the device you are on you don't need any assistance or mercy from someone on the phone.

9. They took forever to make them because they weren't prepared for HD development increasing the cost and time of their games and lowering overall output making it even harder to keep wiiU games coming with no third party support. I wasn't commenting on the end result that was your closed minded assumption.

Everything I said is true and an issue you just refuse to acknowledge it.
 

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There is only one circumstance under which exclusivity can be justified: the developer not having enough money to port the game to platforms other than the one they developed for first.
 

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MrBrightside919 said:
All valid things ... but a platform need not have good specs but good games, but rather it's the games that will make it sell. The (3)DS outsold everything else (together ... adding every console and handhelsds of the last two generations put together) precisely because it had features and incentives for its uptake.

But it's the games that make a console.

Which is problematic for nintendo. Has always been the case. You can have lower specs ... but you have to make 3rd Party devs interested. Wii had some fantastic games, just not enough of them. No More Heroes, Okami Remake (And it is a case where motion controls make the game so much better an experience ... barring the nunchuk dodge. Gah ... pointless trying to use the dodge rolls. Red Steel 2 was a fun game, but it was hampened by having a shocking first release game that was, being charitable, a piece of shit.

Monster Hunter Tri, The Last Story, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandora's Tower ... noticing a trend? They were all games released at the brink of this current generation, back when the Wii was economically unviable a product. One of the saving graces for the Wii U is that it is entirely backwards compatible, but that didn't stop them from importing over some REALLY stupid things, like limiting the disc region playback options.

That being said, given that it's merely been a year (which is bad, horrible in fact, but still better than the Wii game release schedules) and the WiiU is getting the big hitter games. Now whether Nintendo will continue this path of helping middling dev teams with console devkits and helping bring 3rd Party games to the light of day in exchange for exclusivity, we may end up seeing some really good titles.

The problem with this, of course, is that none of these options are convertable into launch titles for the next generation of Nintendo home console. Arguably Nintendo may decide to do the Sega thing And merely pump out games, or perhaps refrain and stick to portable platforms where they have NEVER been challenged.

Nintendo have dominated handheld gaming for nearly 25 years. Let that sink in.... 25 years, they have been uncontested as the single most successful console producer of all time SOLELY for their handheld systems. In that space of time Sony have released four home consoles, and none of them, put together, have matched the combined sales of gameboys or the DS.

Nintendo handheld hardware did not even slump with the advent of consumer accessible smartphone technologies. People still faithfully slip their DS into their purse, or backpack when going to uni, or at high school ... It doesn't matter if you're 4 or 40, it seems like everyone has love for the DS. When they first came out (when I was a lowly post grad) I saw doctorate holding lecturers hazardly navigating the steps of University Mall playing the DS. To say they were selling like hotcakes was an understatement.

They weren't that powerful, but they were marketed well and had a plethora of great titles of which the experience of playing is still leagues beyond even the best of mobile gaming has to offer.

The Nintendo DS also benefitted from the fact that Japanese mobile phone networks, of the time, were still only basic CDMA networks ... and Japanese mass produced phones were 8 years behind what we had in the West. I still have my Softbank prepaid phone when I had to spend an extended stay there, and I've been told that all I need is a new SIM and it will still work even ten years later.

Point is, Nintendo can be successful regardless of the tech specifications ... they are the most successful electronic entertainment company of all time. Sometimes experience and good marketing, of which we both know Nintendo are capable of, is all you really need to create a successful product. Not necessarily the best hardware.

Just look at iPhones ... they lag behind in specs to the Samsung Galaxy and Note series of mobile phones, but I'd much rather have a cut of the market share of Apple's iPhone over the Samsung Galaxy and Note mobile phone market uptake. People are willing to pay more money, for technology that is easily observable as to be inferior in quality.

Which is why I think the DS was a success. The DS was the closest thing to 'chic' that the electronic entertainment industry has ever had ... it was also the reason why the original Wii did so well, it had that chic quality to it. It had chic marketing, inexpensive but catered to the modern lifestyles of even the most busiest people. That level of elegant sophistication. With soft lines, and consumer friendly titles.

After all,it was only 5 years ago every gamer (casual or otherwise) was eating out of their hands. It would be foolish to write Nintendo off slowly ecause they left a bad taste in our mouths with the original Wii.

But I am far more forgiving of Nintendo than I am Sony or Microsoft ... Nintendo has heart, and that was easy to see with the brilliant 32 years of gaming joy they have brought to us. After 32 years of entering the home console race, Nintendo has given us the very definition of modern gaming in all aspects and elements. They are the first to innovate, but never compromise on the tradition of excellence (as plain to see in all their 1st Party games).

Question is, after 32 years do you think either Sony or Microsoft will be as consumer friendly as Nintendo have been all these years?
 

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daxterx2005 said:
this was the first I'd heard of the RE reboot.

Wasn't six also billed as a reboot initially?

I'll believe it when it comes out.

-edit-

Seems I was confused, just googled it and they're remaking the gamecube remake not rebooting the series, nvm then.
Wait... This game is another reboot?!?

That means Lara Croft has like 4 origin stories now! Out of 11 games! (The original plane crash story, the Last Revelation Verner Von Croy retcon, the Tomb Raider 2013 ship crash reboot and now this new one)

Not to mention one of the 11 games was a straight up remake of her first game (Anniversary)

 

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Aside from the already mentioned situation with Nintendo allowing Bayonetta 2 to exist, there's very little reason for games to be platform exclusive these days.

Most electronics these days use the same architecture of computer hardware, specifically x86_64, and GAPI's such as OpenGL are cross platform compatible. The only real reason I can see for not bring a game to is financial constraints or, what I suppose I'll call, "Star Citizening it". By that, I mean that the shear scope and size of the game demands a processing power requirement that would be far too great for a proprietary, non modifiable system such as the current gen of consoles.

Even the financial constraints argument is a bit iffy to me, since a dev could make their money on an initial release for one or two platforms, then work on releasing it for others while they have a steady income. Some devs have been doing that with Linux and I've been nothing but grateful that there are devs that are helping me get close and closer to nuking my Windows installation.

OpenGL not only has the benefit of being cross platform, but it's also open to people to use. It's had features, such as tesselation and mutli threaded rendering, long before Microsofts Direct X, which is proprietary and restricted to one platform (And by that, I mean Windows. I'm aware that the Xbox likely uses it too).

I don't understand why anyone would intentionally wish for a game to not come to a persons preferred platform. Are people so insecure that they have to keep people from having nice things and lead them to make anti consumer arguments like the "Journalist" from Polygon? I want people enjoy a game I enjoy, and it would be so much better if I didn't have to say "oh well, you need a PS4...".

The more people who can enjoy the game, the better it is for everyone regardless of whether you play on the WiiU, PS4, XB1, Linux, Windows or Mac (Unfortunately for Mac though, Apple has a tendency to lag way behind with OpenGL versions, so that fact might cause some issues).

tl;dr As technology grows and changes, we need to get out of this mindset of exclusivity and into one of inclusiveness.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
I cannot control the visions that come to me. Such is my blessing, and my curse.
Then please tell me, almighty Jim Sterling, do you forsee that you shall be overlord of the game industry, and I may be humbled to serve as your butler? :p
 

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achicoria3 said:
This isnt what i expected this weeks episode to be about.
Im counting on you to make the right video for next week. Dont dissapoint me jim
Jim has one chance. He can either tow the same line he always does, blaming the internet and gamers in general and ignoring the issue, or he can actually acknowledge the facts and for once speak out against the corruption and the whitewashing.

Don't mess this up Jim. It's going to be ugly either way.
 

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Strazdas said:
Jim is Love, Jim is Life. We all knew that Jim has become a god. Now we have hard evidence!

Exclusivity overall is a very bad thing, in any industry. It is holding games ransom in gaming industry. The only two reasons i accept for games being exclusive are thus:

1. The game cannot physically run on another platform. For example the game requires certain peripheral not available on other platform or the other platform simply cannot process the game - this means a lot of old consoles dont get ports and thats ok, they cant run it. you dont expect Atari2600 to run Crysis.

2. The company Lacks skill to port the game and the game did so poorly they cant afford to hire somone else. I can understand a company not going bancrupt over porting a game that did poorly. This covers a lot of Indies that simply dont know how to develop for consoles and dont have budgets to hire teams. The big industry has no excuse here though.
So a first party studio making an exclusive, and a company that knows where its audience is and would be losing money porting their game aren't accepted by you?
 

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i read a Youtube comment the other day where a guy cancelled his pre order on Aliens Isolation when he saw the pre order bonuses. I congratulated him but there was a worrying amount of people giving it the "why would you do that? you get more content!" That just makes me sad, and it makes me wonder... I just don't think the message that these people aren't getting more content but rather are getting content that was there in the first place but later cut to force you to pre order is getting out to enough people. then you have the coming issues of distributors offering exclusive content (it has actually already started and been going for a while, but it's getting serious now)...

Also I saw a video of someone saying that Microsoft were stupid to tell everyone TR was only a timed exclusive they should have said it was exclusive... yeah cause that would have gone down well.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
daxterx2005 said:
this was the first I'd heard of the RE reboot.

Wasn't six also billed as a reboot initially?

I'll believe it when it comes out.

-edit-

Seems I was confused, just googled it and they're remaking the gamecube remake not rebooting the series, nvm then.
Wait... This game is another reboot?!?

That means Lara Croft has like 4 origin stories now! Out of 11 games! (The original plane crash story, the Last Revelation Verner Von Croy retcon, the Tomb Raider 2013 ship crash reboot and now this new one)

Not to mention one of the 11 games was a straight up remake of her first game (Anniversary)

Unfortunately you misunderstood.

I said "RE Reboot" as in "Resident Evil Reboot"

which I was wrong about anyway, its' a re-remake of the first game, not a reboot of the series.