i dont know, did his previous games involve obese characters?randomthefox said:So he's the Tom Preston of game development. All my lulz.
i dont know, did his previous games involve obese characters?randomthefox said:So he's the Tom Preston of game development. All my lulz.
But if some of the nuclear waste can give you superpowers, and there is no simple way to filter that one in advance, then you are still better off letting in the whole package and take control of the whole area, dumps and parks and all, then giving Originville a chance to gain superpowers.Thanatos2k said:You don't HAVE to accept the nuclear waste and just throw up your hands and say "It has to go somewhere, we might as well take it!"
You can say "Not here in our town. Take it over to Originville."
The best solution to let them have the ability to delete comments, but in a way that users can still see them if specifically chosen. Works against NSFW and most types of spam, but still gives people an option to reveal foul play.NuclearKangaroo said:steam should at least take away the dev's ability to delete threads and posts
No it isn't, that's the point of Greenlight, a completely separate system. And people want to throw shit at old ladies for a laugh, doesn't mean we should let them.Abnaxis said:That's the thing though--the whole point of crowd-sourcing is that the crowd is supposed to make that decision, not Valve. Valve just needs to give gamers the proper tools to do our thing.
If the customers don't want anything other than instant gratification, with no interest in providing constructive criticism...then that's just how it is. Pre-order sales have existed for a long time, and customers get even less for them, so clearly it's a thing people want.
Oh no, I don't think anyone should decide whether it's shitty--the decision is, whether it's used. Again with the shirt metaphor, if I buy a shirt--wear it for a day, get it dirty and stretch it out--and try to take it back, I think it's reasonable for the vendor to say "Hell no," because I already got what I paid for (though plenty of stores will still take it back even then). OTOH, if I buy a shirt, take it home, and find out the pants I wanted to wear with it clash, it's fair game because I never really "used" the shirtjehk said:That could work. I'm not sure how I feel it tbh. My thing is about drawing a distinction between functionally complete but shitty games versus broken incomplete games.
I don't want anyone dictating what's a shitty or good game to me. Frankly, there's a number of games that most people would find shitty that I love.
I just did. Sure takes up a good portion of your day.GonzoGamer said:I think I shall visit the Troll Tavern for a good laugh. Anyone else?
That's a pretty good argument tbh. I think a standard could be found. Hell, a half hour with a game is usually enough for me.Abnaxis said:Oh no, I don't think anyone should decide whether it's shitty--the decision is, whether it's used. Again with the shirt metaphor, if I buy a shirt--wear it for a day, get it dirty and stretch it out--and try to take it back, I think it's reasonable for the vendor to say "Hell no," because I already got what I paid for (though plenty of stores will still take it back even then). OTOH, if I buy a shirt, take it home, and find out the pants I wanted to wear with it clash, it's fair game because I never really "used" the shirtjehk said:That could work. I'm not sure how I feel it tbh. My thing is about drawing a distinction between functionally complete but shitty games versus broken incomplete games.
I don't want anyone dictating what's a shitty or good game to me. Frankly, there's a number of games that most people would find shitty that I love.
By the same token, if I buy a Guise of the Wolf, boot it up, and find it an ugly mess with no redeeming factors after five minutes of play, I should be able to give it back. however, if I buy Mass Effect 3, play through the whole campaign, then get pissed off by the ending, I got all the hours of play that I paid for, even if I consider the product shitty.
Quality isn't really of issue, whether you've "used up" the product is. The problem with that is, hours of gameplay vary so wildly from title to title, so it's not easy to come up with a standard for saying "alright, you've gotten enough entertainment, now you're stuck with it."
I did, but his wording was such that it definetly left that possibility there so I asked for clarificationMr_Terrific said:I'm pretty sure that guy didn't read any of what you said to begin with
I was only pointing out that Jim is perfectly fine calling out this Muxwell for his scam, but will defend anotherand I find it comical that he somehow looped Sarkeesian into this.
I never said that internet has quality control nor did I imply so either. Strawmanning ain't getting you anywhere. Also I am saying that open platforms tend to have more crap on them by default, thats just how it is. Valve specifically want's to open up steam for everyone, and if thats their goal then inevitably they will end up with more crap as well. Now trying to get that crap to sink to the bottom as quickly as possible is another matter entierly. But my point stands, steam dosen't need quality control. At least not traditional quality controlHe says "it's pc and there is no quality control on an open platform and that's ok" but then goes on about a woman that did a kickstarter to produce videos based on the works she's already started but that is somehow wrong because there's, apparently, quality control on the internet.
I never brushed off the death threats, I fully acknowledged them, you on the other hand brush off everyone critising her as a troll. Civil discussion was happening and I even sent her a perfectly polite e-mail asking about what shes using the money for, unsuprisingly she still hasn't responded. Also death and rape threats are not a rare occurence at all. Anyone with an opinion on the internet has gotten their fair share of hatred, male or female. And yes that includes death and rape threats for men too. Why are you pretending that this is an issue of gender instead of being one of simple disagreement.And the kicker is pretending like there was nothing but civil conversations and arguments against her views and then brushes off the hundreds of rape threats and terrible behavior like defacing web pages or calling her a scammer which really isn't the case. I find it shameful that there are people out there that are more offended by her ideas than the fools that threatened her with rape and murder.
Thank you, my tought's exactlyNortherWolf said:So, let me get this straight. One asshole releases a shitty product. The fault is his, but the real villain here, the mastermind of madness, the dictator of darkness...Is VALVE! They(or , Steam as they've apparently renamed themselves) are the true blight upon PC gaming! They, as the owners of a gaming store should enforce draconian rules so as not to sully the genepool of the master race!
Why, of course this is so, just the other day I tossed excrement at a Game Shop employee for daring to carry a bad game. It is my duty as a Member of the PC Master Gaming Race after all. We cannot allow free choice...
Shame about you Jim, thought you had some good stuff for a while, but your "STEAM NEEDS TO ANSWER!" stuff is a bit tiresome. Steam is a damn store, the only thing Valve need to answer is refunds and keeping obvious scams gone. But people here seem to want for steam to crash so they can roll around in their own smug filth and go "Told you so! Filthy pleb!"
I don't think anyone's saying that Valve is somehow being malicious here, just that their execution of Early Access has some pretty big holes that need to be patched up if it's going to continue. I don't think it would take the whole service down with it, it'd just get marginalised and everyone would adapt and ignore it, but Valve should probably aspire to better than that.NortherWolf said:So, let me get this straight. One asshole releases a shitty product. The fault is his, but the real villain here, the mastermind of madness, the dictator of darkness...Is VALVE! They(or , Steam as they've apparently renamed themselves) are the true blight upon PC gaming! They, as the owners of a gaming store should enforce draconian rules so as not to sully the genepool of the master race!
Why, of course this is so, just the other day I tossed excrement at a Game Shop employee for daring to carry a bad game. It is my duty as a Member of the PC Master Gaming Race after all. We cannot allow free choice...
Shame about you Jim, thought you had some good stuff for a while, but your "STEAM NEEDS TO ANSWER!" stuff is a bit tiresome. Steam is a damn store, the only thing Valve need to answer is refunds and keeping obvious scams gone. But people here seem to want for steam to crash so they can roll around in their own smug filth and go "Told you so! Filthy pleb!"
well it would be atleast better than the current solutionAlterego-X said:The best solution to let them have the ability to delete comments, but in a way that users can still see them if specifically chosen. Works against NSFW and most types of spam, but still gives people an option to reveal foul play.NuclearKangaroo said:steam should at least take away the dev's ability to delete threads and posts
Exactly what I was thinking.NortherWolf said:So, let me get this straight. One asshole releases a shitty product. The fault is his, but the real villain here, the mastermind of madness, the dictator of darkness...Is VALVE! They(or , Steam as they've apparently renamed themselves) are the true blight upon PC gaming! They, as the owners of a gaming store should enforce draconian rules so as not to sully the genepool of the master race!
Why, of course this is so, just the other day I tossed excrement at a Game Shop employee for daring to carry a bad game. It is my duty as a Member of the PC Master Gaming Race after all. We cannot allow free choice...
Shame about you Jim, thought you had some good stuff for a while, but your "STEAM NEEDS TO ANSWER!" stuff is a bit tiresome. Steam is a damn store, the only thing Valve need to answer is refunds and keeping obvious scams gone. But people here seem to want for steam to crash so they can roll around in their own smug filth and go "Told you so! Filthy pleb!"
That's exactly how the video game crash of '83 happened, you realize.Alterego-X said:Whatever. If not for Steam, that guy could still do the exact same thing on his own website. PC gaming is an open platform.
It makes much more sense for Steam to grab for all of it, than to be a small walled garden somewhere inside of it. More like an universal marketplace for the whole platform, than a brand that's pre-filtered products you "trust".
If they would try to appeal to quality control and a reliable lineup, they would accidentally filter out at least SOME potential gems, and that would give an opportunity to other webstores to gain a foothold by gathering those. It makes more sense to let in ALL the developers, good ones and shitty ones, and let others build inner recommedation lists and branded lineups inside the platform they own.