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The Sh*tiest Games of 2012

There's something to be said for tradition, and the Jimquisition's most sacred tradition is the year-end evisceration of the year's very worst game.

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I wonder how many of the sad "I hate CoD because it's cool to hate it even though I've never played it" people watching this were suddenly very hopeful during that slight pause between "Call of Duty Black Ops" and "Declassified" because they thought you were about to say "Two" instead.

Anyway, happy Jimmas everyone.
 

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Delightful! All throughout last week's episodes I was hoping you would do a worst games of 2012, and I got my wish. Really would have enjoyed if you had some video of Steel Battalion failing to work, though.
 

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Pretty glad to say I've never played any of these games, and I suppose that's for a good reason.
 

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Pitty he didnt' get around to War Z. Not only was the game a broken pile of shit, but the buissness pratices of the developers are down right Illegal.
 

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saintdane05 said:
Where did you get the dildo on a stick?
Can buy it from you?
Was sent to me during Saints Row 3's launch build-up. Unfortunately it's seen too much use as a Jimquisition prop for me to want to part with it.

Plus one day I plan to get drunk enough to see if I can fit it up me.
 

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Wow, Jim... you only had two or three words for Spirit Camera. You must have really hated it.

I and multiple people that have played Steel Battalions have all had the same complaints that you did. Capcom is constantly lying to their customers and it makes me wonder if a class-action lawsuit of some kind is in their future. I mean, how do you get a game like that out there and not catch hate for it when War Z customers are getting their money back? I feel like Capcom has become Japan's equivalent of EA.
 

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What I find odd is that Konami did so well with Metal Gear Solid HD Collection, and yet apparently managed to fuck up the Silent Hill one up so badly, according to everyone.

Also, it's good to see The Penetrator make its' triumphant return.
 

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To be fair, the only reason I'm alone right now is because most of my family is deathly ill (two people went to the hospital) and I don't want to catch anything :p.
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
Wow, Jim... you only had two or three words for Spirit Camera. You must have really hated it.
It has so little content that Jim could only really say those two words about the game. Sadly his review of it came out immediately AFTER I had picked it up at Gamestop. But at least Amazon gave decent trade-in credit for it.
 

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My first thought when I saw this video was I bet warfighter is number 1 but I find your list to be pretty much spot on. Sure its a bland boring military FPS but at least its not a BROKEN bland boring military fps. And I can't ever take greenlight seriously myself if Mcpixel makes the list but Inquisitor does not so kudo's for putting a greenlight game up there to remind ourselves of our bad taste.
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
Wow, Jim... you only had two or three words for Spirit Camera. You must have really hated it.

I and multiple people that have played Steel Battalions have all had the same complaints that you did. Capcom is constantly lying to their customers and it makes me wonder if a class-action lawsuit of some kind is in their future. I mean, how do you get a game like that out there and not catch hate for it when War Z customers are getting their money back? I feel like Capcom has become Japan's equivalent of EA.
I'm surprised that there already hasn't been one, especially considering that today I learned that Nintendo is apparently being sued because of "annoying" controller rattle:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2012/dec/17/nintendo-sued-over-annoying-controller-rattle/

(My Gamepad doesn't rattle at all, BTW.)

But yeah, Nintendo gets sued for stupid shit like that but Capcom gets away with... Fucking every single shitty thing Capcom has done the past few years?!
 

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I lost it at "NNNGGGYYYYAAAAAYYYYMEEEEEE!"

Thank God for you, Jim. I really felt like snorting cold coffee through my nose thanks to a badly repressed chuckle on Christmas Eve.

Thank God for you.
 

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I stopped listening to anything Capcom had to say when they canned Megaman Legends 3 the second Keiji Inafune was out the door. It appears that was the correct choice.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
saintdane05 said:
Where did you get the dildo on a stick?
Can buy it from you?
Was sent to me during Saints Row 3's launch build-up. Unfortunately it's seen too much use as a Jimquisition prop for me to want to part with it.

Plus one day I plan to get drunk enough to see if I can fit it up me.
And I thought these games were... bugg-e
 

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You know for all the stick that the big western publisher inhouse developed games get at least there polished and playable even if in some cases dull and/or by the numbers.

Look at Jim's list from Japan we have a Capcom, Tecmo Koei(surprised there wasn't more of these), Namco Bandai and Konami. An indie and 5 from independant developers.
 

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honestly i thought NeverDead had enough good ideas to be a pretty good game, too bad those ideas were handled by a bunch of barely trained chimps and not an actual studio
 

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Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
 

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What's the asterisk in the show title for? Is it a regex?

Shallottiest?
Shatneristiest?
Shupercalifragicexpialadociuostiest?
 

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Shameless said:
No Resident Evil 6 ? color me surprised.
That game was disappointingly mediocre, these games all seemed to be actively on fire.

Especially that 2012 game, that shit makes you forget all about RE5 in terms of amping up the racism. It seriously looks like the kind of thing the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood would fund as a flash game.
 

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Aww... I wanted the Zone of the Enders HD Collection to be with the Silent Hill HD Collection.
Both of those Konami decided to diddle over a dog house.


Yeah Konami, let's hand ZOE over to a studio who has only made tie-in games for Nickelodeon.
Morons.
 

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Woodsey said:
Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
The real question is, is the game as bad as Hitman 1? :p

OT: Good video Jim. It is always good to be reminded that while things might be bad, they could always be so much worse. XD
 

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BreakfastMan said:
Woodsey said:
Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
The real question is, is the game as bad as Hitman 1? :p
You know I'm not sure if I've ever played the first. Not at any great length anyway. But it's certainly not even as good as Contracts, let alone Silent Assassin - and I feel embarrassed to even mention in it the same breath as Blood Money.
 

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I just wanted to say that the hat Jim was wearing in the beginning of this video was really sweet.

Also, I don't find it strange that a studio called "Nihilistic" doesn't give a shit about the quality of its' products. Not giving a shit is what nihilism is about, really.
 

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Yellowfish said:
Also, I don't find it strange that a studio called "Nihilistic" doesn't give a shit about the quality of its' products. Not giving a shit is what nihilism is about, really.
I found that amusing as well.

Pretty good list. I was almost expecting RE6, but I forgot about Revelations 2012 and Steel Battalion.
 
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"Nihilistic Studios just stopped giving a shit"

[image/]http://www.epicgifs.net/images/show/6SD3VJN7[/IMG]

Great list.

And don't worry Jim. You have been and will always be my Christ.
 

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Absolutely GREAT choice of music.

I haven't played a single one of the featured titles, and I am completely at peace with that.
 

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Good, I was afraid he may have forgotten about Amy in the last twelve months.

Sadly, no one can forget Amy...
 

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I'm sad about Nihilistic, though. Used to be they produced "Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption". One of the best games no-one played.
 

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You know what is so bad about Steel Battalion for the 360?

I actually loved it to death despite all the horrible horrible horrible (did I mention horrible?) fucking bugs and disastrously bad control scheme.

To me Steel Battalion is not just a bad game it is a tease, a tease of what mech games MIGHT have been like had Microsoft not decided to mass produce a fucking motion controller as cheaply as possible and then still charge way to much for it. If you imagine a Steel Battalion without bugs and with a pin point accurate motion detection system you would basically have my game of 2012.

I will condemn it as utter shite but I will do anything in my power to preserve it spirit and what it tried to do so that we one day might be piloting mechs in our own living rooms just by waving our arms around.
 

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Ahh Great List Jim, and Merry Christmas Eve!

Though, I still think that you love Konami, just like I do, and that is why it hurts so much to see them mistreat you. I know they have been treating the fans poorly, but it is OK to admit that you still love them in spite of that.
 

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mjc0961 said:
I wonder how many of the sad "I hate CoD because it's cool to hate it even though I've never played it" people watching this were suddenly very hopeful during that slight pause between "Call of Duty Black Ops" and "Declassified" because they thought you were about to say "Two" instead.
Blimey, someone's virulently over-defensive of a product just in case it gets criticised.

OT: I like this format too. Is this a regular jimquisition feature as well?

Oh, and MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE! WOO!!
 

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What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
Well, my guess is that its because of Konami's studio of choice for the HD collection.

They chose a mobile device dev, mostly unknown, rather untalented, mobile device dev. Devs with absolutely no real experience doing jack squat on consoles, doing HD games much less HD textures.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/92768.html
Studio was also formerly known as PhoenixSoft.


The fact that all those issues that exist within the HD collection doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that they actually managed to do anything at all with the games, though I guess being given access to all of its code, even if it is incomplete, helped tremendously.



Its like how I have a problem with Square Enix, because they decided to choose Double Helix (another group of rather untalented bubs) to create the new Front Mission game. A Turn-based RPG Mecha game was turned into the weakest, shoddiest piece of Armored Core wannabee I've seen yet.

It's also because both studios wanted these games done dirt cheap. Coincidentally, Double Helix did Silent Hill: Homecoming. Which, while not as horribly bad as the HD collection, was still an uninspired and simplistic mess.
 

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GAunderrated said:
I'm surprised warZ didn't make it on there.
Probably because the only "release" was a few days ago on Steam, otherwise there was none. And even if those other variants also count as released, I would say it was too new.

Surprised about the lack of RE6 (as 'honorable mentioned') and Warfighter while the existance of Revelations 2012 was one itself (didn't expect that he even knew it...).
 

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actually jim, at the time of writing its christmas for me..not christmas eve

so HA!
 

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Jesus Jim! Those games were really bad. I have never heard ya sound so hateful. Hope ya get to play some good games soon.

0_o Also, ya looked like you were going to take a bite out of the bat at the start there.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
Well you know that big dildo bat....?
 

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Ryan Hughes said:
Ahh Great List Jim, and Merry Christmas Eve!

Though, I still think that you love Konami, just like I do, and that is why it hurts so much to see them mistreat you. I know they have been treating the fans poorly, but it is OK to admit that you still love them in spite of that.
As some people at the Escapist Expo said (I think Jim may have too), :/ the way your talking, it sounds like your in an abusive relationship.
 

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mjc0961 said:
I wonder how many of the sad "I hate CoD because it's cool to hate it even though I've never played it" people watching this were suddenly very hopeful during that slight pause between "Call of Duty Black Ops" and "Declassified" because they thought you were about to say "Two" instead.

Anyway, happy Jimmas everyone.
Nah Jimbo loves the CoD series. Or he, at least, thinks that they're highly polished, expertly made, and fun to play.

GAunderrated said:
I'm surprised warZ didn't make it on there.
Me too, though that debacle may have happened slightly after this video was produced.
 

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wow....

Never heard of Steel Battalion, but i would have been totally sold had i saw that promo video....

thank god for Jim.

Sad to see silent hill HD up there, bought that for my sister for her birthday not so long ago :(
 

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Once again, welcome to the church of Jimquisition and an amen to the preachings of our holy savior.
I think we should announce an official holyday of Jimquisition, Jim's birthday, or the day of the first show or something!

Nice top 10, i guess i don't have be ashamed to barely know the titles.

Jimothy Sterling said:
*snip*
Plus one day I plan to get drunk enough to see if I can fit it up me.
Good luck with that. I, uhm... no, i don't think i would by any chance wanna know how it went.

By the way, i think you have a looovely singing voice, like an angels song, no?
 

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Imp Emissary said:
Ryan Hughes said:
Ahh Great List Jim, and Merry Christmas Eve!

Though, I still think that you love Konami, just like I do, and that is why it hurts so much to see them mistreat you. I know they have been treating the fans poorly, but it is OK to admit that you still love them in spite of that.
As some people at the Escapist Expo said (I think Jim may have too), :/ the way your talking, it sounds like your in an abusive relationship.
As bad as Konami has been over the last few years, at least they are not Capcom, desperately trying to capture western aesthetics in an industry that it helped build. Nor are they as bad as many other companies. Sure, SHHD collection was terrible, bad, horrid, and a bunch of other nasty things, but it was still not as bad as what EA did to the Ultima games from Ultima VIII onwards. At least their games are not the qusi-racist and wholly thoughtless tripe of the common Millitary Shooter.

Konami makes my four favorite series of all time: Suikoden, Silent Hill, Castlevania, and Metal Gear. So, I guess I will admit that I am biased, but I do not think it is time to end this relationship yet.
 

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I'd like to see a "Not horribley broken S**tiest game of 2012" Next week. That way, we can get to the notable s***ty games like...

Ninja Gaiden 3- The already absurd boss resurrects a f***ing Dinosaur....a f***ing Dinosaur?

Lollipop Chainsaw- This game has no redeeming qualities. NONE. If you like this game, then you are a piece of s*** and you know you are....lol. J/k....sort of o_O

Metal of Honor: Warfighter a.k.a Metal of Honor: Doorbreacher- The name alone should win it an award for s***iest game of 2012.

Sorcery- While not as bad as anything on Kinect, the game is f***ing terrible and a huge waste of an IP with potential. These game screams "Move? We're not even trying anymore..." -Sony.

Star Wars Kinect- The fact that MS had the balls to release a custom console around the honking pile of s***. The only fun (read: funny) thing about it is how many times MS will cram Dance Central (the only good game on Kinect) into every game on Kinect.

Fable The Journey- It's not on rails and there's a dry erase board out there somewhere with the names of 50 dirty f***in liars that work at various publications that agree with this statement. I'd actually like to see the names of those that signed the board as I'm convinced it was done at gunpoint.

There's more, but I have toys and s*** to build my kids....so Merry Xmas all!
 

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Hilarious video!

I'm not a fan of the trolling childish humour that Jim likes to spew in otherwise 'serious' topics but it works perfectly for a video like this. Easily the most entertaining episode to date.
 

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Lol what the flying fuck is that dildo on a stick? It's almost as long as an entire person
 

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Mr_Terrific said:
I'd like to see a "Not horribley broken S**tiest game of 2012" Next week. That way, we can get to the notable s***ty games like...

le'snip

Lollipop Chainsaw- This game has no redeeming qualities. NONE. If you like this game, then you are a piece of s*** and you know you are....lol. J/k....sort of o_O

le'snip
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6632-Jimquisition-Awards-Part-Four

Well now...this is awkward.
 

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Ryan Hughes said:
Imp Emissary said:
Ryan Hughes said:
Ahh Great List Jim, and Merry Christmas Eve!

Though, I still think that you love Konami, just like I do, and that is why it hurts so much to see them mistreat you. I know they have been treating the fans poorly, but it is OK to admit that you still love them in spite of that.
As some people at the Escapist Expo said (I think Jim may have too), :/ the way your talking, it sounds like your in an abusive relationship.
As bad as Konami has been over the last few years, at least they are not Capcom, desperately trying to capture western aesthetics in an industry that it helped build. Nor are they as bad as many other companies. Sure, SHHD collection was terrible, bad, horrid, and a bunch of other nasty things, but it was still not as bad as what EA did to the Ultima games from Ultima VIII onwards. At least their games are not the qusi-racist and wholly thoughtless tripe of the common Millitary Shooter.

Konami makes my four favorite series of all time: Suikoden, Silent Hill, Castlevania, and Metal Gear. So, I guess I will admit that I am biased, but I do not think it is time to end this relationship yet.

1. LOVE Metal Gear.

2. Just because something is worse than Konami doesn't make what they did any less bad. That said, I hope they can do better two.

3.
 

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lol, I own 4 of these games:

Amy
CoD: Declassified
Resistance: Burning Skies
Silent Hill HD Collection
 

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Nice pairing. Having the award week, then have this. Made me smile. Will make dealing with family easier, thank you for that.
 

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i'm starting to think jim could be the devil.........I want more shows like this they aremore fun than a barrel full of monkeys
 

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lobotoja said:
Take that fucking hat off you turd blob, or Ill come to visit and stick you with your own dildo sword so you look like a pig ready for roasting not just a fucking hog. Consider yourself intellectual and you wear signs of worse mass-murderers and child rapist the world has seen... nazis were a breeze compared to fucking Bolsheviks you shit for brains fat **** read some history not just regurgitate the mass fed marketing shit gray masses are fed you as-hole.
Wow, just wow. There is already so much hate in this world, why can't you just be nice? :(

OT great vid jim, I have not actually played any of these but I definately won't now
 

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eh... i don't think Jim gets the humor of the macfarlane writing studio, but whatever reasonable list i guess
 

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LadyRhian said:
Wow, Jim... You have a surprisingly nice voice!
You should listen to Podtoid the podcast he hosts over on Destructoid, he sings quite often on there. He also talks about his problems with Konami on there a bit.
 

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Let no one say I don't give things third and fourth chances. I still can't stand this show. ;__;
 

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GAunderrated said:
I'm surprised warZ didn't make it on there.
Probably because like us, there's a December Embargo on these things. With luck, he may bring it up in either a Video in January, New Years Eve OR add it as an honourable mention to next years list X3

Gizmo1990 said:
What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
Here, go watch -

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5524-Konami

OT: They made a Thundercats game based on the 2011 version and it SUCKED?!

...Why do I get the feeling THIS was the reason the show was cancelled? O_O
 

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lobotoja said:
Take that fucking hat off you turd blob, or Ill come to visit and stick you with your own dildo sword so you look like a pig ready for roasting not just a fucking hog. Consider yourself intellectual and you wear signs of worse mass-murderers and child rapist the world has seen... nazis were a breeze compared to fucking Bolsheviks you shit for brains fat **** read some history not just regurgitate the mass fed marketing shit gray masses are fed you as-hole.
I think Jim is the one that needs to do the all raging in these threads, son.
 

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Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Aww... I wanted the Zone of the Enders HD Collection to be with the Silent Hill HD Collection.
Both of those Konami decided to diddle over a dog house.


Yeah Konami, let's hand ZOE over to a studio who has only made tie-in games for Nickelodeon.
Morons.

Yeah, I simply don't get how they could fuck it up so badly. Both of those HD collections were #1 on my "to get" list when they were announced. I always wait for reviews before buying, and boy, was I glad I did. I can't believe they dropped the ball so badly. Makes me very, very sad.
 

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As Jim said though, as a hardcore title based around Kinect, Steel Battalion has already slimmed down it's target audience so much that there is virtually nobody who gives a fuck about the game.

Well, almost.
 

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Actually Jim, I'm only watching this AFTER spending time with my family already :). As for your stuff, funny. God that damn dildo......
 

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Undeadpool said:
Shameless said:
No Resident Evil 6 ? color me surprised.
That game was disappointingly mediocre, these games all seemed to be actively on fire.

Especially that 2012 game, that shit makes you forget all about RE5 in terms of amping up the racism. It seriously looks like the kind of thing the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood would fund as a flash game.
To be honest I agreed with his general sentiments, about all the games, but really I think people need to stop prattling on about racism when there is no present, especially seeing as when people cry racism they don't even seem to know what it is, probably because racism as a mainstream phenomena is dead in the first world. It does exist on the fringes of society however.

Before you fire back, I'd point out that there really ARE games made by racist groups. "Ethnic Cleaning" being one from a white supremacy point of view.

Showing a bunch of primitive and backwards people AS primitive and backwards people is not in any way, shape, or form racist. Calling a guy who literally walks around and throws spears because that is the cutting edge of his availible technology a "spear chucker" isn't racist either. To be racist you have to be making a statement saying that these people are inherantly inferior and could never be any more than that, or by taking a person of a specific ethnicity who is more than that (say a black guy with a first world education and a good job) and saying that they are that when they clearly are not. Calling a banker a spear chucker is racist, calling a tribesman one is not.

At any rate, I never played 2012 due to the horrible reviews, but this is the first time I remember ever hearing it called racist. I seem to remember videos of guys like "Totalbiscuit" playing it, so I have some familiarity with it, and the basic idea is that the ancient mayans and cultists who have been in hiding and keeping the bloodlines pure are trying to bring about Armageddon. Now, I probably shouldn't have to explain to you that ancient mayans were NOT white guys, and didn't exactly fight with guns, what's more these paticular guys have magic. As part of the game setup from various walkthroughs your only able to fight them with very specific "mysical weapons" as anything else is totally ineffective. Sure a guy carrying a spear might seem silly, until you think conceptually that this guy could probably walk through an artillery barrage and slam that spear through a tank. They don't show anything like that so I guess it didn't sink in, but it's implied in the whole "here is the one weapon that can actually do anything here" which you upgrade with differant abillities apparently rather than collecting differant weapons.

To me you really have to stretch in this one to really say there was any racism here. You had people from a primitive civilization acting and looking like it... big frakking whoop. To be racist you'd have to go further than that. For example if their magic did't work or whatever. See a KKK type portrayal would have these guys insisting on acting this way despite common sense in a set of surroundings totally at odd with their behavior, and being unable to cope. If they went running around screaming "bad Juju" and similar statements out of place with the setting and blew powder around which did nothing while they got gunned down (intentionally, not by bad AI) it would be one thing. This game however for all of it's craptastic presentation is taking itself pretty seriously in the sense that these guys are supposed to be ancient mayans/cultists returned, they have working magic, and actully can end the world. By definition you could say it's the opposite of racism since these guys are by definition being defined as the most powerful beings ever. Their magical accomplishments have dwarfed the accomplishments of the rest of the world, and the only thing that can stop them is weapons drawing on the same basic power base. Stop and think about that.

I also find it hilarious that this game gets ire, yet if you want to get technical games like "The Secret World" are a hell of a lot more edgy in covering the same basic material, and I'm not just talking the current "end of the world" event. In TSW's lore the Mayans were a group of ancient mystical sociopaths out to basically unleash the equivilent of Cthulhu's bosses on the world. Despite the general lack of records or technologies, they wound up conquering most of North and South America before they ran into one tibe out on the East Coast called "The Wabanaki" who had enough magic to stand up to them. The Wabanaki were in the process of losing when the vikings who had discovered North America decided to get involved (this game is based on ancient conspiricies, including that one), and invoked their own gods who turned the tide of the battle and lead to the defeat of the Mayans. This is all covered in game lore, and in one paticualr instance called "Darkness War", where your characters as champions of Gaia are basically sent back in time mentally to fight the battle in the place of the actual Wabanaki of the time so you can use your super magical powers, in the midst of the throwdown with the final boss, a viking high priest literally walks up casts the spell "pwn everyone" using a very important (storywise) magical sword as a focus, and allows you and your allies to beat this monster you'll probably recognize from Cthulhu mythos inspired Artwork (here referred to as an Ak'ab, with this one being the great grand daddy of all Ak'ab).

Unlike "2012" this is all really well written, well presented, and utterly cool. It's not racist at all. On the other hand if your looking for a fight you can spin it that way pretty easily. Especially if you want to throw an Aryan spin on things, I mean the Nazis love their viking runes and such. It actually takes LESS effort than with "2012" (which I could do to play devil's advocate if the direction such an arguement could be made from isn't obvious).

TSW isn't all that successful a game either (went FTP in record time), so I don't think it's a matter of pressure. On some levels I just think Jim was groping for something to throw at th egame to make it seem even worse, which it really didn't need. From the videos and game reviews/descrptions I've seen, I never got the impression (though there were a few jokes, not intended to be taken seriously) that there was anything remotely racist about this.

As far as RE5 goes, I see it as the poster child for why we need to keep liberals out of review media, or at least edit their political comments. People set out to create a contreversy where there wasn't one, and to validate the statements of fringe whack jobs looking to get five minutes of fame with race comments to keep that contreversy going. To be blunt Africa is a bloody hell hole, needing to aid the peeople living there due to the wretched conditions is one of the big battle cries of international charity groups and human rights coalitions. Presenting it as a NICE place to live would actually be inaccurate and a bit insensitive on it's own (sweeping it under the rug so to speak). Even when it comes to the tribals it's no big deal, because like it or not tons of people down there DO dress and act like the typical African natives of lore still, that's not racist, it's the truth. Groups ike National Geographic do articles on it from time to time, and on top of it... and in the height of irony... liberals love to go on about protecting the indiginous peoples and their lifestyles and pretty much keeping it that way. I the left wing kind of absurd because on one hand it works to prevent the modern world from changing these people, but then gets all enraged when they are shown the way they are in a bad situation. From a liberal perspective they can call you a racist (misusing the term) going in either direction, including my own point of view that these people should be modernized and brought into the rest of society, as opposed to being kept in ignorance to preserve an archaic society for the amusement of anthropology students. The specifics of that and what it entails might not be entirely nice, but I think what we see going on is far more cruel, especially in the long run.... at any rate, when those "contreversial" tribals show up in RE5, what exactly is the issue? Unchecked sentinent bioweapons go ripping through the region, and are expected to stop at those groups of people? Killer Viruses should be politically correct?

A much longer rant than I intended, but honestly people crying "racism" and similar things over mainstream video games kind of irks me. If you want to do that kind of rant, find one that is actually racist.

As a general rule, REAL racists on the fringe tend to be very overt and open about their work, especially when groups like the KKK, Aryan Nation, and other "major" groups are involved. "Ethnic Cleansing" for example (there have been online reviews when it was newer) includes information in the game about how to get in touch with real racist groups if you agree with the message. The creators explaining at one point that they wanted to produce games like this to "give young white kids hope". They also tend to be concerned with the hear and now, not things like "well, what if the Mayan prophecies were correct, but they actually meant the Mayans were returning in force to use magic to kill us all and end the world... what if there was a chance of stopping them by using similar kinds of magic, wouldn't that make an awesome story/video game?" which is pretty much the thought process behind "2012".
 

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I'm sad about Nihilistic, though. Used to be they produced "Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption". One of the best games no-one played.
Well, enough people played it to see another V:TM game released.

To be honest I think one of the big reasons why game design has suffered recently, especially on the single player RPG front, is the lack of using liscenced PnP RPG properties. A big issue with game design is coming up with the story, factions, etc... as well as a workable engine and set of mechanics for the game to draw on to work.

I think "Redemption" kind of shows how with the right RPG liscence (meaning a good backround and decent set of mechanics) even a mediocre developer can turn out a decent product. After all most of the "backround" writing has already been done, and typically the game mechanics have undergone YEARS of rigorous testing and revision to get consistant results for what they set out to do, they just need to be tweaked a bit for the video game format.

I think we're seeing what Nilistic is actually like without having a lot of that work done for them. On a similar note, I also think this is part of Bioware's "fall". You'll notice that a lot of their biggest successes came from using D&D rules and world settings. Doing all of that on their own has lead to some very mixed results (to be charitable). "Knights Of The Old Republic" for example had a set of mechanics that had seen tons of testing (d20)
before it was put into a video game. I think they have gone so action-centric with all of their titles because they haven't been able to come up with something quite as customizable and understandable that produces consistant results
on their own. "The Old Republic Online" didn't involve D&D mechanics. Some of their products are pretty solid still, but every one of them comes with tons of criticisms and hate (especially from people who paid for them, which puts the results of their sales ratings into question), far more than they used to get.

Nilistic is producing mediocre shooters instead of quality RPG games, while they were never as successful as Bioware, look at the criticisms leveled at them... seem similar? :)

I'll also say that I've noticed a general trend that the further a D&D game gets from D&D mechanics the more touchy it's performance and reception. This is in part why I'm wary about what might happen with the upcoming "Neverwinter" as much as I'd like for it to be a success (as a huge Forgotten Realms fan).

As I've said in other threads, if Bioware wants to get back on top and get away from a lot of the current divide and turmoil with it's fans, it might consider trying to liscence the D&D rules again for single player games, perhaps working out something to use earlier editions if the current rules are out there.

Nilistic might do the same thing, if they really did do "Redemption", perhaps they should go shopping for a PnP RPG liscence to build off of.

To be honest the PnP RPG seems to be dying, so I'd think liscencing for some of these would be relatively simple as long as it's for single player games (since a lot of the biggest RPGS like WoD or D&D have at least one MMO at least in the works).
 

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saintdane05 said:
Where did you get the dildo on a stick?
Can buy it from you?
Was sent to me during Saints Row 3's launch build-up. Unfortunately it's seen too much use as a Jimquisition prop for me to want to part with it.

Plus one day I plan to get drunk enough to see if I can fit it up me.
You and not Jonathan Holmes? You should totally should do a Saints Row themed 'Jonathan Holmes Helps Children' on Podtoid at some point by the way.
 

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Showing a bunch of primitive and backwards people AS primitive and backwards people is not in any way, shape, or form racist. Calling a guy who literally walks around and throws spears because that is the cutting edge of his availible technology a "spear chucker" isn't racist either.
Oh. You're racist as well as homophobic huh? Nice to know.

I usually go through your posts looking for when you make the suggestion that every homosexual man is a potential paedophile, but this time you come up with this.

The term "spear-chucker" is an epithet directed towards Africans. It's a racist term. Exactly like "Jungle-Bunny". Exactly like ******.

And while there is a difference between overt racism (Which is analogous to your overt homophobia) and unconscious racism, media where all the heroes are clean cut white people and the antagonists are brown people depicted as savages still has worrying subtext.

Comparing this to games like this to games made by the KKK is like comparing the films written by Goebbels to those written by Hitler. The racism/anti-semitism in the former is subtle while the racism in the latter is clumsy and blatant. The fact that the racist subtext in Revelations 2012 *might* not be intentional is irrelevant.
 

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That thing looks a lot less purple in person. I'm kind of disappointed.
 

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I'd like to see a "Not horribley broken S**tiest game of 2012" Next week. That way, we can get to the notable s***ty games like...

Ninja Gaiden 3- The already absurd boss resurrects a f***ing Dinosaur....a f***ing Dinosaur?

Lollipop Chainsaw- This game has no redeeming qualities. NONE. If you like this game, then you are a piece of s*** and you know you are....lol. J/k....sort of o_O

Metal of Honor: Warfighter a.k.a Metal of Honor: Doorbreacher- The name alone should win it an award for s***iest game of 2012.

Sorcery- While not as bad as anything on Kinect, the game is f***ing terrible and a huge waste of an IP with potential. These game screams "Move? We're not even trying anymore..." -Sony.

Star Wars Kinect- The fact that MS had the balls to release a custom console around the honking pile of s***. The only fun (read: funny) thing about it is how many times MS will cram Dance Central (the only good game on Kinect) into every game on Kinect.

Fable The Journey- It's not on rails and there's a dry erase board out there somewhere with the names of 50 dirty f***in liars that work at various publications that agree with this statement. I'd actually like to see the names of those that signed the board as I'm convinced it was done at gunpoint.

There's more, but I have toys and s*** to build my kids....so Merry Xmas all!
You do know you can swear on the internet? All you're achieving is making your writing less readable.
 

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Huh. Did manage to avoid all of the shitty ones this year.
Merry Christmas and thank God for you Jim.
 

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I actually loved Silent Hill HD Collection for the simple fact that it allowed me to finally play Silent Hill 2 (I don't own a PS2), which is my favourite game I played this year. While I encountered frequent lag in Silent Hill 3, part 2 was still perfectly playable (in the PS3-version, at least). Furthermore, you have the option of still using the original voice acting, and I was not bothered by cosmetic changes because I simply had never played the original.

Of course the fact that Silent Hill 3 is glitchy still makes this a horribly broken product, and they really should have just released these games (in their original form) on PSN instead. Nonetheless, I'm still really glad this exists because Silent Hill 2 is such a fantastic game.
 

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The Sh*tiest Games of 2012

There's something to be said for tradition, and the Jimquisition's most sacred tradition is the year-end evisceration of the year's very worst game.

Watch Video
I recall your trying to smash a videogame with a hammer (with terrible effort) in your previous video. I don't remember what specific videogame it was but I don't think that made the list.
 

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Aww... I wanted the Zone of the Enders HD Collection to be with the Silent Hill HD Collection.
Both of those Konami decided to diddle over a dog house.


Yeah Konami, let's hand ZOE over to a studio who has only made tie-in games for Nickelodeon.
Morons.
What did they do to it that made it awful? I was considering getting it if only for the Vector Cannon.
 

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Hehe. The first minute of this video was pretty much spot on. Happiest time of the year, my arse. Thanks, Jim, for getting me to laugh a bit about it. :)
 

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If I can I'd like to add Carrier Command: Operation Gaia and Dungeon Defenders. Two of the most terrible gales I've played not only this year but this generation.

Carrier Command is a horrible game that switches between clunky control of vehicles in a strategy type thing to a foot soldier on the battlefield, and it is that awful. Both get caught on random slopes and scenery, it's got a pathetic aiming system and basically just blows so very very much.

Dungeon Defenders was one of the purchases I made because of friends, which was a mistake. This piece of crap is so boring and uninteresting. The AI for your own turrets is worse than the computer AI to the extent that it often glitches out and enemies can walk right over blocking units or are not targeted by friendly attack units. It's so pathetic.

Neither of those games should have been sold for money. I feel the same way Jim fely about that last game towards these two.
 

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Dungeon Defenders was one of the purchases I made because of friends, which was a mistake. This piece of crap is so boring and uninteresting. The AI for your own turrets is worse than the computer AI to the extent that it often glitches out and enemies can walk right over blocking units or are not targeted by friendly attack units. It's so pathetic.
Just because you found it boring doesn't make a game instantly bad - I played it and found it actually decent. Not a game I would buy (played on a Free Weekend), but I didn't find anything wrong with it, either.
 

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Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Aww... I wanted the Zone of the Enders HD Collection to be with the Silent Hill HD Collection.
Both of those Konami decided to diddle over a dog house.


Yeah Konami, let's hand ZOE over to a studio who has only made tie-in games for Nickelodeon.
Morons.
What did they do to it that made it awful? I was considering getting it if only for the Vector Cannon.
Ya know how right on the box of Zone of the Enders it says it's "High Speed Robot Action?"

Imagine that with the game lagging and the framerate being choppy as fuck.
 

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You know what is so bad about Steel Battalion for the 360?

I actually loved it to death despite all the horrible horrible horrible (did I mention horrible?) fucking bugs and disastrously bad control scheme.

To me Steel Battalion is not just a bad game it is a tease, a tease of what mech games MIGHT have been like had Microsoft not decided to mass produce a fucking motion controller as cheaply as possible and then still charge way to much for it. If you imagine a Steel Battalion without bugs and with a pin point accurate motion detection system you would basically have my game of 2012.

I will condemn it as utter shite but I will do anything in my power to preserve it spirit and what it tried to do so that we one day might be piloting mechs in our own living rooms just by waving our arms around.
The game you're looking for is Steel Battalion, the original released in 2002 for Xbox.
Though it probably costs a fortune now, as it comes with this beast of a controller:
 

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I was so excited for Steel Battalion when I heard the concept. Then I played the demo. $60 well-withheld.
 

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People who cry and complain about Resident Evil 6 not being on this list should seriously shove a sweaty dirty suck up their throats. RE6 is *NOT* a bad game - it is a disappointing game, one that perhaps even shits on the entire survival horror franchise but to claim that it's one of the worst games is just taking it so absurdly far that just seriously... shut the hell up.

These games on the list are so broken that they borderline scams. They are so poor in their design you'd think that the developers intended to steal your money as if they made a cash grab-and-run with your money.

RE6 REALLY doesn't fall into that category. The game is not *BROKEN*, it is not a putrid pile of shit. The game wasn't designed with the intend to downright steal your money under fraudulent circumstances. (See 'The War Z')

The games Jim puts on there are so borderline horrendous that; like he said - defies human comprehension. The motives and reasons behind RE6 are not hard to understand at all - Crapcom wanted to appeal all audiences - NOT a good reason for the games design but a comprehensible one.

Stop comparing RE6 to these games. Sure it might have disappointed you, but it's far FAR from being anywhere NEAR as broken as these games. RE6 might be at worst a 6/10 game. It's nowhere near the bottom-of-the-barrel.
 

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1337mokro said:
You know what is so bad about Steel Battalion for the 360?

I actually loved it to death despite all the horrible horrible horrible (did I mention horrible?) fucking bugs and disastrously bad control scheme.

To me Steel Battalion is not just a bad game it is a tease, a tease of what mech games MIGHT have been like had Microsoft not decided to mass produce a fucking motion controller as cheaply as possible and then still charge way to much for it. If you imagine a Steel Battalion without bugs and with a pin point accurate motion detection system you would basically have my game of 2012.

I will condemn it as utter shite but I will do anything in my power to preserve it spirit and what it tried to do so that we one day might be piloting mechs in our own living rooms just by waving our arms around.
The game you're looking for is Steel Battalion, the original released in 2002 for Xbox.
Though it probably costs a fortune now, as it comes with this beast of a controller:
Already own it :)

But that is the exact point. It COST and still COSTS a fortune.

Motion control would allow you to do the same things with a price tag of ... 0$ (unless you bought a kinect JUST for that game). I will keep dreaming though. Maybe that virtual reality console will give me what I desire.
 

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I'm assuming that The Escapist has it's fair share of Film majors or Game Designers, can somebody PLEASE get Jim Sterling an acting job playing a legitimate villain? That would be the most amazing thing of all time.

I didn't play any of the games on this list, so I guess I don't really have to worry about that.

I dunno what I would consider my worst game of 2012. I really only bought like 6 games this year, and I kind of enjoyed all of them.
 

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What? No Resident Evil 6? That's a surprise.
Nowhere near notable enough to be worthy of the honor.
Have you tried Warfighter? I haven't played it but it got quite a bit of negative press, I kind of expected it to be in the list.
 

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What? No Resident Evil 6? That's a surprise.
Nowhere near notable enough to be worthy of the honor.
Have you tried Warfighter? I haven't played it but it got quite a bit of negative press, I kind of expected it to be in the list.
I reviewed Warfighter for Destructoid and it got a straight 5/10. Totally mediocre. Even less worthy of note than RE6, really, as it was the epitome of ditch water.
 

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This has to be my favorite episode of the show. I loved the longer video with Jim giving a long, though fast paced and vitriol filled rant.

Any chance we can see "The Next Top 10 Shittiest Games of 2012"? or even just "Dishonorable mentions of 2012"? I wanna see more of Jim's rapid-fire ranting!
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
-Dragmire- said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
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What? No Resident Evil 6? That's a surprise.
Nowhere near notable enough to be worthy of the honor.
Have you tried Warfighter? I haven't played it but it got quite a bit of negative press, I kind of expected it to be in the list.
I reviewed Warfighter for Destructoid and it got a straight 5/10. Totally mediocre. Even less worthy of note than RE6, really, as it was the epitome of ditch water.
Ah, I guess the people who aggressively didn't like it were setting their expectations too high.
 

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You do know you can swear on the internet? All you're achieving is making your writing less readable.
Yet you knew they were curse words and you still decided to type this. Nothing like assholes on the internet. Oh...looks like you're right /cheers
I'm not being an asshole. And I don't care about cursing. I care about readability.

If you swear once and you're really so prissy that feel the need to "***" it out then fine. But nearly every single sentence of has one in; if you really want to swear that much just write the damn letters, or use the word "crap", or say or some other dumb fill-in non-swear bullshit.

Reading something with **** every ten or twenty words, not to mention the "lol, jk o_O" business or the quotes embedded in the middle of paragraphs with hyphened attribution, is really jarring. It's like reading a corrupted file with a text editor.

Just fucking swear for fuck's sake.
 

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Is that "Dark Messenger" playing? Thank god for you and your taste in music Jim!

Why is does the Silent Hill HD collection have to be so bad? WHY?!
 

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That Diablo III wasn't on that list is a crime.

For simultaneously being the biggest letdown in over a decade (really. No one actually thought that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be good...) and for shitting upon the previous games that made it good in the first place, along with bringing monotonization schemes into the core gameplay itself. This game, made by one of the biggest "games for gamers" companies out there, couldn't even be released complete! It had to cut content in order to make it's deadline (instead of you know "when it's ready") and that content still hasn't been included!

There is nothing redeeming about Diablo III, other than there will be a whole lot of games already out or coming out in the same genre that will be miles above this piece of drek assembled by one of the most incompetent dev teams I have ever had the privilege to witness.
 

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Now you see people, this isn't about bad games you didn't like, its about bad games that were just pure absolute shit-code.

Yes some of games listed by other forum members might have been bad (to their particular taste) (or just didn't live up to their pre-hype potential) (or changed from previous versions) but are still technically sound on their own, even if you personally didn't like it.

These games that Jim listed ARE pure shit. 100% Buggy, 100% poorly designed, 100% poorly implemented.


As somebody who owns a Kinect (which is only for the dancing games); I still love how that Steel Battalion video is 100% pure fraud. Half the time, the Kinect is reading most of the commands before they user completes them... I wish the Kinect was that quick and sensitive. Never once was there was that awkward 1 pause after you give a command and wonder, did it understand that...
 

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... As a general rule, REAL racists on the fringe tend to be very overt and open about their work...
I'd rather someone overtly hold a KKK rally than secretly not hire me, not accept me into a college, or deny me a loan or housing because of my race.

But that's just me. The worst kinds of racism (speaking to the modern day US) aren't the overt hatred but the internalized biases that we don't even realize affect our decisions.
 

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These games that Jim listed ARE pure shit. 100% Buggy, 100% poorly designed, 100% poorly implemented.
That's what Diablo 3 is to me (although it's not that buggy now, but at launch...).
 

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But that's just me. The worst kinds of racism (speaking to the modern day US) aren't the overt hatred but the internalized biases that we don't even realize affect our decisions.
Then why do we treat the people who are guilty of that as if they are fully conscious of it and doing it on purpose, as Jim is clearly doing here?
 

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Wow its refreshing to see somebody who?s worst game of the year isn?t a big mainstream game but one of the hundreds of bad games nobody buys.
 

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Showing a bunch of primitive and backwards people AS primitive and backwards people is not in any way, shape, or form racist. Calling a guy who literally walks around and throws spears because that is the cutting edge of his availible technology a "spear chucker" isn't racist either.
Oh. You're racist as well as homophobic huh? Nice to know.

I usually go through your posts looking for when you make the suggestion that every homosexual man is a potential paedophile, but this time you come up with this.

The term "spear-chucker" is an epithet directed towards Africans. It's a racist term. Exactly like "Jungle-Bunny". Exactly like ******.

And while there is a difference between overt racism (Which is analogous to your overt homophobia) and unconscious racism, media where all the heroes are clean cut white people and the antagonists are brown people depicted as savages still has worrying subtext.

Comparing this to games like this to games made by the KKK is like comparing the films written by Goebbels to those written by Hitler. The racism/anti-semitism in the former is subtle while the racism in the latter is clumsy and blatant. The fact that the racist subtext in Revelations 2012 *might* not be intentional is irrelevant.
Actually it is irrelevent, because racism is by definition is not subtle. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior and cannot ever be as good as another group of people. Or conversely that a given race of people are better than all others who simply cannot ever achieve that level of intristic abillity. Anything else is not racist.

Showing a bunch of tribals living like tribals is NOT racist, especially if people really do exist that way. It only becomes racist if you try and say that those people are that way because that's all they can achieve, and will never be anything more due to innate genetics, that's racist.

To be brutally honest I'm probably one of the least racist people out there, simply because I believe humanity actually is equal accross the board, which also means that everyone can be held to the same intristic expectations and standards. Being black, hispanic, etc... is not an excuse for failure, nor do such people need any kind of special treatment to be equal, it's all up to them because they can do the same things. I actually find liberals to be incredibly racist despite their pretensions because their efforts to "help" in most cases come from what amounts to a belief that the people on the receiving end cannot be expected to help themselves. What's more I think too much charity on this level removes the motivation for one to succeed, and actually fuels cultural divide. I actually think a lot of the aid we send to the third world, and even racially themed domestic outreach programs in the US have actually gotten to the point where they have become counter productive. Liberals hate points of view like that, but the bottom line is the world sucks, and sometimes being a bastard is the best for everyone involved. Attempts to call me racist usually come down to people flailing around and trying to find ways to re-define the label "cleverly" to fit because they don't like the point.

Also the whole "invisible knapsack" thing is complete garbage, and has been debunked a long, long time ago. There have been entire threads on this subject here already. The bottom line is that any group encountering a larger group not like them or is more prominant is going to run into the same kinds of issues. Sure, in the US you ask to see the guy in charge, and odds are it will be a white guy, as whites are the majority. That's not unintentional racism, you go to say Africa, Spain, or whatever else and do the same thing an African or Spanish person will tend to be in the same position.

When it comes to media, and the whole "great white hero" thing, again there is no real racism intended, it's simply how things are. Like it or not when a less developed people run into a more developed one, the results are not pretty unless they receive outside aid. Right now the so called "first world" happens to largely be populated by whites, who as a whole are the most advanced, best educated, and best trained. As a general rule most of the world simply cannot touch the training od special forces groups like the SEALS, Spetznatz, Royal Marine Commandos, and other similar groups, never mind CIA, MI6, KGB, and whomever else you want to mention. The infrastructure doesn't exist throughout most of the world to produce people like that. Indeed most countries hire people trained by these organizations to try and train their own military forces/terrorists/gueriellas, and one of the big hot button issues has always been nations like the USA or Russia sending in special forces dudes under the table to train insurgents to fight against guys we don't like from within, or conversely to train a goverment we do like so it's troops have an edge against insurgent movements we don't like. A lot of the nastiest wars we've had (like say the original Afghani conflict) basically involved first world "white" nations fighting by proxy, with American trained Taliban fighting Russian trained goverment troops for example.

As a result games, movies, etc... tying to be realistic (or contain a grain of realism) base themselves on real trends and occurances. Should global balance shift, so will this. It's also interesting to note that as things have shifted you are seeing increasing numbers of asians coming to the forefront in the media accross the board.

Also, it should be noted that whites are a minority globally (a severe one) like 1/3rd of the human race is chinese, 1/3rd of the population is Indian (about to replace China in a few years as the most common ethnicity supposedly), Blacks overpopulate Africa and outnumber whites by a large margin, ditto for hispanics/latinos thoughout south and central America (with a lot of speculation that soon Latinos will also outnumber whites in the USA, and Canada shortly thereafter). Seeing people that are minorities within the USA or other first world countries presented as enemies and such (often based on real politics) is hardly shocking by the numbers since that's how things break down. That said fantasy does seem to be an equal oppertunity portrayer of who gets to wear the snively whiplash mustache. The Russians (other whites) get plenty of screen time as villains, as do other Europeans, the USA is really fond of a bunch of self-critical analysis, portraying itself as the bad guy (something very few other countries do with their media, you generally don't see China doing movies where the thero fights the Chinese goverment). In short complaints about fantasy being "a bunch of white guys terorizing minorities" is complete bunk, it only comes up when someone wants attention in dealing with a work where the sides break down that way, oftentimes without really looking at the story and whether it seems remotely plausible (enough so for fantasy).

At any rate, the point here is that showing people as they are is not remotely racist. It doesn't become racist until you go beyond simply showing things that way and start getting into long-term prospects, genetic destiny, and other assorted things. You might decry the way the world is, but that doesn't mean people who live in the real world and accept it are some kind of racist.

Besides, on the actual subject, how would you have portrayed the return of the ancient Mayans? I means seriously, have them all show up in business suits, and fling lattes? The problem with you and Jim is that this is pretty close to how the ancient Mayans looked, and the ceremonial dress those trying to revive the traditions use when performing rituals.

Likewise, if you happened to be basically invincible for the moment and could throw fireballs and such, would you bother to insist on running around wearing say Kevlar and carrying an M-16 for lulz? "Sorry guys, our ritual worked, but I really think I should go home and change into a suit instead of this ritual garb, I know we're about to destroy everything, but man... what if someone actually sees me like this in the meantime. These other guys, the ones carried through time... yeah someone should at least take them through K-mart or something before we actually get aorund to this whole blotting out the sun thing..."

Stop and REALLY think about what you and Jim are saying here.
 

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... As a general rule, REAL racists on the fringe tend to be very overt and open about their work...
I'd rather someone overtly hold a KKK rally than secretly not hire me, not accept me into a college, or deny me a loan or housing because of my race.

But that's just me. The worst kinds of racism (speaking to the modern day US) aren't the overt hatred but the internalized biases that we don't even realize affect our decisions.

Which doesn't really happen on any signifigant scale. Racism is generally used as an excuse for failure. You didn't get accepted for college, didn't get a loan, etc... minorities scream "Racism!!!" as a way of getting attention and trying to force what they want which is really the only mainstream way it exists... as a political/personal tool. There is no racism here, this crap happens to everyone. When a black kid doesn't get accepted to a college or whatever it's not because they are black, they are simply in the same boat as everyone else who didn't get accepted. If anything affrimitive action and racial quotas which form "reverse racism" make the odds of minorities succeeding in situations like that far greater.

To be bloody honest with you, the entire "Invisible Knapsack" arguement is just BS to try and justify outcries of racism where none is present. Saying "your racist, but don't realize it, so you should give me stuff" is akin to a kid trying to stick people up with their invisible friend. It's the kind of arguement made by people who want a crutch for their own failures in life. The end of racism didn't mean every minority was going to become prosperous or slot into the high echelons of society, it just meant they would have the same oppertunities, and would fail just like the other 99.9% of the population do. Right now minority counter culture is more to blame for problems than any kind of "invisible racism", the perspective that equality amounts to success, and that your either part of the top 1%, or entitled to be an anti-societal thug because your being kept down. At the end of the day your average minority's life sucks for the same reason mine does: because the world sucks, there are thousands upon thousands of losers for every real winner. You can do everything right, pass every test, and get every degree, and still get crushed under the wheels of society, it's a giant roulette wheel which you are not entirely in control of, which is why there are guys with PHDs begging for change in the park.

Racism exists on the fringes where it has no real effect on society. Indeed all of these outcries, propaganda within the educational system, and other assorted things have made it so that people in the majority's instincts are inherantly anti-racist.

Right now there IS a degree of cultural bigotry present though, mostly brought upon minorities by themselves. That comes from counter cultures that embrace the whole "git rich, or die trying" mentality, which basically glorifies being a thug or part of the top 1%, and considers those who fit in somewhere in between (the majority of losers, who are mere cogs in a machine) to be almost sub human. It's not just blacks, but present among pretty much all minorities at the moment. These counter-cultures have created backlash due to their behavior, rather than any intristic racism. In general a minority has no real problems if they assimilate and try and fit in, but when they embrace that kind of a counter-culture which in of itself is one of racism and entitlement it causes problems.

I tend to think Bill Cosby summarized it better than just about anyone (I take him seriously mostly because of his PHD in Children's Education). He mostly talks about blacks, but I think it applies to all minorities. Simply put the hard part of the civil liberties movement was never the fighting, but taking advantage of what was won once there was no enemy. All that equality meant was chances, not successes, people have bent over backwards to provide educational materials and oppertunities to minorities, only to have those things slapped back. Becoming educated and sliding into the machine as a cog is viewed as being tantamount to selling out, and despite people providing tons of materials and chances to do that, those materials and chances tend to be scorned and destroyed. It's easier to fall into crime and destitution and blame someone else, than wind up living a normal life, working hard for very little, like most people do.... that's not an excact quote on his part, but the basic gist of things.

My basic attitude is that with all the crap I've been rejected for, lost out on, and the quality of my life even before forced into retirement, nobody else has the right to complain, since it's pretty much this way for everyone else as well. OMG, you didn't get into your college of choice, you weren't the one dude who got that job out of dozens (or even hundreds, or thousands) of applicants, cry me a [email protected] river. You might not be one of society's top 1%, but neither am I, and neither is that other 99% so get the heck over it. When I'm sitting here with my mediocre life your not going to convice me there is some huge conspiricy (intentional or otherwise) of white dudes out to elevate people like me at your expense. News flash, the lives of the majority suck and are full of failure (comparively), no matter your ethnicity.
 

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Actually it is irrelevent, because racism is by definition is not subtle. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior and cannot ever be as good as another group of people. Or conversely that a given race of people are better than all others who simply cannot ever achieve that level of intristic abillity. Anything else is not racist.
You really need to learn to make your point in a pithy manner. Do you really expect me to respond to 1000 words that you write in every post?

And no. Sorry mate. There are different levels of racism.

Just like there is subtle descrimination against homosexuals eg homosexuals make you uncomfortable or homosexuals on television being asexual campy stereotypes -- An analogy in racial terms would be walking faster because you see a black person you don't know or having all the black characters in a game dress as savages while you shoot them.

And then there is extreme homophobia such as your belief that every homosexual is a potential paedophile. The racial analogy to this being the KKK.

Of course you don't understand any of this because you actually think that your beliefs are reasonable instead of despicable I'm mostly pointing your set of awful viewpoints to others so that anybody that actually wades though one of your needlessly verbose posts gets some context about what you believe.
 

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Besides, on the actual subject, how would you have portrayed the return of the ancient Mayans? I means seriously, have them all show up in business suits, and fling lattes?

The problem with you and Jim is that this is pretty close to how the ancient Mayans looked, and the ceremonial dress those trying to revive the traditions use when performing rituals.
How about portraying them as people? Not as a zombie-like hoard to slaughter?

It's not about how they look. It's the idea that the you'd respond to the return of brown people from an ancient time by killing them all.
 

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Besides, on the actual subject, how would you have portrayed the return of the ancient Mayans? I means seriously, have them all show up in business suits, and fling lattes?

The problem with you and Jim is that this is pretty close to how the ancient Mayans looked, and the ceremonial dress those trying to revive the traditions use when performing rituals.
How about portraying them as people? Not as a zombie-like hoard to slaughter?

It's not about how they look. It's the idea that the you'd respond to the return of brown people from an ancient time by killing them all.
Your kidding right?

Let's be honest here, this is a game about a real prophecy, or an interpetation thereof, in which the world is being ended. These "ancient brown skinned people" are coming back to kill everyone and everything like they promised to do thousands of years ago. That is why they are being met with force... and actually it's magical weapons being used on them, not machine guns. Their magic makes them immune to conventional force as part of the "plot". :)

The game is a shooter, the enemies in shooters, especially low budget ones, are by definition, zombie-like hordes.

It's sort of like saying that Wolfenstein is racist because it portrays nazis as a bunch of zombie like white guys who don't act much like real people and have a genocidal agenda. Oh wait... it's a shooter and they are the bad guys, now it all makes sense.

Sorry, there is no racism present here, unless of course you want to go off the deep end with political correctness and basically imply that non-whites are so special that they shouldn't ever be used as the bad guys in video games.

To be fair, if this WAS a game where the Mayans just came back and were minding their own business and you machine gunned them down, you'd be right, but that is hardly what this game is about. As far as them being the bad guys, well the subject is "apocolyptic prophecy" and really this isn't the first mythology tapped for that with appropriate bad guys. I mean honestly, we've had plenty of groups like the Knights Templar, various cults, etc... all with largely white memberships tapped to be the bad guys on numerous occasions, not to mention first world goverments where you fight conspiricies by the CIA, private mercenary contractors, or whatever else.

In this day and age fantasy, including video games, is pretty much equal oppertunity as far as bad guys go, everyone gets their turn. To be honest I see more racism inherant in people claiminng exclusion, or saying a specific group of people or their beliefs should be considered a "sacred cow"... and I use that term intentionally given that one of the more ridiculous contreversies recently was over the usage of Hindu deities in a religion themed fighting game (where the developers should neve have backed down). I mean if I as a Chistian can get over a bunch of spikey haired angst ridden japanese emos killing my god, other religions can grow up enough to have theirs in a fighting tournament and accept fantasy as fantasy whatever they hapeen to believe is real. That's an entirely differant discussion though, but it does have some vague similarities. :)
 

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Actually it is irrelevent, because racism is by definition is not subtle. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior and cannot ever be as good as another group of people. Or conversely that a given race of people are better than all others who simply cannot ever achieve that level of intristic abillity. Anything else is not racist.
You really need to learn to make your point in a pithy manner. Do you really expect me to respond to 1000 words that you write in every post?

And no. Sorry mate. There are different levels of racism.

Just like there is subtle descrimination against homosexuals eg homosexuals make you uncomfortable or homosexuals on television being asexual campy stereotypes -- An analogy in racial terms would be walking faster because you see a black person you don't know or having all the black characters in a game dress as savages while you shoot them.

And then there is extreme homophobia such as your belief that every homosexual is a potential paedophile. The racial analogy to this being the KKK.

Of course you don't understand any of this because you actually think that your beliefs are reasonable instead of despicable I'm mostly pointing your set of awful viewpoints to others so that anybody that actually wades though one of your needlessly verbose posts gets some context about what you believe.

Actually, yes I do. If you want to discuss serious matters you have to expect me to go into a lot of detail in a hostile enviroment like this one. Not to mention that it generally saves time if you actually read what I say, as I typically head off 90% of what people say in response before they ever say it, not that anyone notices.

Also your ignorance is... well, extreme. To be honest my attitude on homosexuals is pretty much middle of the road, but you for all your claims of worldlyness have never actually met someone with extreme viewpoints to understand the differances. Especially seeing as my attitudes are backed up by a lot of experience and training. See, I'm a trained observer in certain contexts, who has actually been trusted to put those skills to use professionally. This makes me fundementally differant from you, or anyone who has never been in a similar profession. Referred to in training as "colored glasses", once you learn certain things, and how to do them, you can no longer see the world the way someone who is not trained does not. You can basically say I'm wrong about homosexuals and so on, but that's because of what you've heard, read, and want to believe. Your opinion compared to mine being ultimatly meaningless because you simply don't actually know anything, and aren't equipped properly to learn it. This applies to a lot of matters, not just this. You've never been enabled to spy on people (going beyond that training), and to be brutally honest, would probably never be trusted to do so, even in as limited a context as I did. In short, there are subjects you are incapable of having an informed opinion on, and the tradegy of it is that like most in that opinion you'll never really understand why this is, or what a differant person you'd be if you ever did have your eyes opened to the truth.

At any rate, as much as you find it repugnant, understand that my attitude on homosexuals pretty much involves identification, paying attention, and generally leaving them alone unless they step out of certain bounds. Lines that are unlikely to be crossed, or even noticed if there wasn't going to be a problem to begin with, but would represent a problem because of reality being what it is. Like any biological function sex drive can be changed, and with time we will be able to "cure" the problem should the effort be put in. You can argue this, but that isn't the point, this is just a summary of what I think.

In comparison a more extreme anti-gay sentiment, similar to the KKK, opposes homosexuality for more absolute reasons including religion, and sees homosexuality as something to be outright exterminated as opposed to monitored and corrected when the oppertunity presents itself. Things like shipping them all out onto islands to die, or just
outright murdering them.

There is also the point that unlike most I seperate gay men and lesbians into seperate catagories based on behaviors and tendencies, and what threats they present to the rest of society. So you can't even claim I'm anti-homosexual as much as anti- one specific group of homosexuals.

Your incapable of making this distinction in your opponents, lumping them all together, which is half your problem and why you aren't ever going to make any headway. Your basic attitude is "anyone who doesn't agree with me, can be lumped together" and that pretty much causes you to wallow even further in ignorance. On some levels I kind of envy you, my big problem is exactly the opposite, I can't be ignorant or naive anymore. If I could I'd get into a lot less discussions like this one, because today being politically correct is the path of least resistance... the easy way to go, but as is usually the case, the easy path is not usually the right one. You might not admit it to yourself, but ultimatly it's pretty likely you hold onto the belief structure you do because it involves the least amount of effort on your part. Actually acting on something in society takes effort, where just letting it go on and saying "it's right' just amounts to being able to sit back and be lazy, and not having to do anything, as long as it doesn't affect you, there isn't a problem. While the context was limited, I had to actually see the real world to deal with this garbage specifically so people like you could remain lazy and ignorant. I'm the guy who sat there and protected the kids of people like you so you wouldn't have to, and could waddle off to gamble and crap, so don't presume to tell me who the threats and predators in society are, because you don't have the first bloody clue.

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On the actual subject though, there is no such thing as a "degree" of racism. Something is racist or it isn't. You either believe in the inherant superiority/inferiority of one group of people and act upon it, or not, there is no middle ground, no "invisible" or "unintentional" racism, that all exists specifically for the sake of politics, because racism needs to be around to rally people, and because it's a popular crutch for people to use for their failures. What racism exists is on the very fringe of society and has no real affect on anything.

Now there ARE cultural conflicts, largely caused by aggressive minority counter cultures who use "racism" as a way of justifying not fitting into society and living like normal people, which is of course a big part of why so much effort is spent trying to convince people like you of things like "Invisible Knapsack" theory.

In the end though, you by your own admissions have made it quite clear your not in a position to make judgements about what is reasonable and what isn't. The most you can sound off about is your ideals and what you wish the world was like, but sadly that does not make it so. Go out, study forensics for a few years, get a career working as casino security and become trusted enough to work on monitors and fill in for investigations for a decade. In the process do Code Adam training multiple times, train with the state police, train with homeland security, train with emergency response, then get back to me and I'll accept you might be able to have a valid opinion. Honestly it won't happen, I know it won't because if you ever did all that you wouldn't hold a point of view anything like the one you have now, you would never have made it that long in such a career if you remained so naive.
 

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Your kidding right?

Let's be honest here, this is a game about a real prophecy, or an interpetation thereof, in which the world is being ended. These "ancient brown skinned people" are coming back to kill everyone and everything like they promised to do thousands of years ago. That is why they are being met with force... and actually it's magical weapons being used on them, not machine guns. Their magic makes them immune to conventional force as part of the "plot". :)
If you think that the Mayan "End of World" idiocy is based on a real Mayan prophecy then you are doubly ignorant.

It's racist. Mildly so but still. It demonstrates no knowledge of actual Mayan culture and instead riffs on a moronic believe that Mayans predicted the end of the world so to provide an bullshit excuse for 4 white-bread Americans to come kill them.
 

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Let me demonstrate how to get your post size down. I'll also point out how little substance there is in a single paragraph.


Also your ignorance is... well, extreme. [Unnecessary and unsupported personal attack - remove] To be honest my attitude on homosexuals is pretty much middle of the road, but you for all your claims of worldlyness [what claims?] have never actually met someone with extreme viewpoints to understand the differances. [Unsupported claim] Especially [especially why? remove word] seeing as my attitudes are backed up by a lot of experience and training. [unsupported claim] See, I'm a trained observer in certain contexts, who has actually been trusted to put those skills to use professionally. [unsupported claim and redundant - remove] This makes me fundementally differant from you, or anyone who has never been in a similar profession. [non sequitur claim -remove] Referred to in training as "colored glasses", [redundant information - remove add paragraph break] once you learn certain things, and how to do them, you can no longer see the world the way someone who is not trained does not. [non sequitur claim and appeal to authority, makes last claim redundant] You can basically say I'm wrong about homosexuals and so on, but that's because of what you've heard, read, and want to believe. Your opinion compared to mine being ultimatly meaningless because you simply don't actually know anything, and aren't equipped properly to learn it. [assertion without evidence] This applies to a lot of matters, not just this. [irrelevant -remove] You've never been enabled to spy on people (going beyond that training), and to be brutally honest, would probably never be trusted to do so, even in as limited a context as I did. [completely irrelevant] In short, there are subjects you are incapable of having an informed opinion on, and the tradegy of it is that like most in that opinion you'll never really understand why this is, or what a differant person you'd be if you ever did have your eyes opened to the truth.

So anyway it ends up being:

To be honest my attitude on homosexuals is pretty much middle of the road, but you for all your claims of worldlyness have never actually met someone with extreme viewpoints to understand the differances.

Seeing as my attitudes are backed up by a lot of experience and training. Once you learn certain things, and how to do them, you can no longer see the world the way someone who is not trained does not. You can basically say I'm wrong about homosexuals and so on, but that's because of what you've heard, read, and want to believe. Your opinion compared to mine being ultimatly meaningless because you simply don't actually know anything, and aren't equipped properly to learn it.

You've never been enabled to spy on people (going beyond that training), and to be brutally honest, would probably never be trusted to do so, even in as limited a context as I did. In short, there are subjects you are incapable of having an informed opinion on, and the tradegy of it is that like most in that opinion you'll never really understand why this is, or what a differant person you'd be if you ever did have your eyes opened to the truth.
I've challenged you before to provide evidence beyond your anecdotal rubbish and you've failed to come through. As such you're just another person perpetuating dangerous myths about perfectly normal people.


If you're claiming experience because you are "a trained observer" (What ever the fuck that means, are you a cop? A social worker? Private investigator? Vigilante?) I think you're probably suffering from exposure bias.


Regardless previous statements you've made have been fundamentally disgusting and in no way "middle of the road".
You want to claim that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles, provide statistical evidence from peer reviewed research or fuck off. Your creepy claims that your "experience and training" (Care to name the organisation?) and being "enabled to spy on people"(?????????) provided you with knowledge about the "truth" about homosexuals do not fucking wash and are pretty horrific in themselves.

You make it sound like you spy on homosexuals appropo of nothing. What I'm assuming is that you've been asked (or you do it off your own back for fucked up reasons of your own.) to watch those accused or convicted of child sex offences against boys. This is selection bias which you've turned to bigotry.
 

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Let me demonstrate how to get your post size down. I'll also point out how little substance there is in a single paragraph.


Also your ignorance is... well, extreme. [Unnecessary and unsupported personal attack - remove] To be honest my attitude on homosexuals is pretty much middle of the road, but you for all your claims of worldlyness [what claims?] have never actually met someone with extreme viewpoints to understand the differances. [Unsupported claim] Especially [especially why? remove word] seeing as my attitudes are backed up by a lot of experience and training. [unsupported claim] See, I'm a trained observer in certain contexts, who has actually been trusted to put those skills to use professionally. [unsupported claim and redundant - remove] This makes me fundementally differant from you, or anyone who has never been in a similar profession. [non sequitur claim -remove] Referred to in training as "colored glasses", [redundant information - remove add paragraph break] once you learn certain things, and how to do them, you can no longer see the world the way someone who is not trained does not. [non sequitur claim and appeal to authority, makes last claim redundant] You can basically say I'm wrong about homosexuals and so on, but that's because of what you've heard, read, and want to believe. Your opinion compared to mine being ultimatly meaningless because you simply don't actually know anything, and aren't equipped properly to learn it. [assertion without evidence] This applies to a lot of matters, not just this. [irrelevant -remove] You've never been enabled to spy on people (going beyond that training), and to be brutally honest, would probably never be trusted to do so, even in as limited a context as I did. [completely irrelevant] In short, there are subjects you are incapable of having an informed opinion on, and the tradegy of it is that like most in that opinion you'll never really understand why this is, or what a differant person you'd be if you ever did have your eyes opened to the truth.

So anyway it ends up being:

To be honest my attitude on homosexuals is pretty much middle of the road, but you for all your claims of worldlyness have never actually met someone with extreme viewpoints to understand the differances.

Seeing as my attitudes are backed up by a lot of experience and training. Once you learn certain things, and how to do them, you can no longer see the world the way someone who is not trained does not. You can basically say I'm wrong about homosexuals and so on, but that's because of what you've heard, read, and want to believe. Your opinion compared to mine being ultimatly meaningless because you simply don't actually know anything, and aren't equipped properly to learn it.

You've never been enabled to spy on people (going beyond that training), and to be brutally honest, would probably never be trusted to do so, even in as limited a context as I did. In short, there are subjects you are incapable of having an informed opinion on, and the tradegy of it is that like most in that opinion you'll never really understand why this is, or what a differant person you'd be if you ever did have your eyes opened to the truth.
I've challenged you before to provide evidence beyond your anecdotal rubbish and you've failed to come through. As such you're just another person perpetuating dangerous myths about perfectly normal people.


If you're claiming experience because you are "a trained observer" (What ever the fuck that means, are you a cop? A social worker? Private investigator? Vigilante?) I think you're probably suffering from exposure bias.


Regardless previous statements you've made have been fundamentally disgusting and in no way "middle of the road".
You want to claim that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles, provide statistical evidence from peer reviewed research or fuck off. Your creepy claims that your "experience and training" (Care to name the organisation?) and being "enabled to spy on people"(?????????) provided you with knowledge about the "truth" about homosexuals do not fucking wash and are pretty horrific in and of themselves.

You make it sound like you spy on homosexuals appropo of nothing. What I'm assuming is that you've been asked (or you do it off your own back for fucked up reasons of your own.) to watch those accused or convicted of child sex offences against boys. This is selection bias which you've turned to bigotry.

Or you're making the scientificcally fallaceous argument that because 3% of men are gay and 33% of child sexual offenders target boys, that homosexuals are more likely to offend. This disregards the evidence that the mechanics in the psychology between homosexual and hetrosexual paedophilia and that of androphilia and gynophilia are completely different and that.

It also ignores the massive body of evidence that paedophiles do not display erectile response when shown pictures of adults of the same sex as their preferred child gender.
 

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Back on topic.

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. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior
No. That's the definition of supremacism.

If you want a completely shallow definition that leaves out the types of racism that you prefer to not include, probably because you exhibit at least some of them, then I guess that works for you.

But you are leaving out social-xenophobia, cultural-xenophobia, aversive-racism, social-racism, and institutionalised discrimination. These are lesser forms of discrimination or racism than outright supremacist notions or the "white man's burden" type of racism but they do exist.

But Therumancer will probably claim that these terms are invented by liberal academics suffering from "white-guilt" and that his "training" to "spy on people" (I call bullshit.) gives him access to information far in advance of what us mere mortals who post less than 1000 words at a time can comprehend.
 

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I find it amazing that WarZ didn't get the number 1 spot! It's even shittier than what was picked!
Considering how The War Z can charitably be described as an early beta, or more accurately a late alpha, not making the Shittiest Games of 2012 list isn't that surprising; it isn't a game, it's a proof of concept that got released to cash in on Day Z's popularity.
 

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Lollipop Chainsaw- This game has no redeeming qualities. NONE. If you like this game, then you are a piece of s*** and you know you are....lol. J/k....sort of o_O

Metal of Honor: Warfighter a.k.a Metal of Honor: Doorbreacher- The name alone should win it an award for s***iest game of 2012.
Lollipop Chainsaw is fucking awesome, the arcade level is one of the very best gaming experiences all year.

Medal of Honor: Warfighter is literally the best online FPS (infantry vs infantry) this console gen. Danger Close blew both Treyarch and Infinity Ward out of the water with their multiplayer. Warfighter has something EVERY FPS should have and that is LEANING. Hell, even every TPS should have leaning too, it only adds to the gunplay, and I haven't seen a console control scheme for a FPS or a TPS where leaning could not be added rather simply. Plus, Warfighter has an awesome slide and shoot move you can do while sprinting (sliding around a corner with a shotgun to kill a camper is extremely satisfying). Warfighter's single player is fucking garbage though, the worst campaign in a shooter I've ever played.
 

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Is that verdict including or not including the patch for Silent Hill DH Collection that fixes some of the issues?

Capcom & Konami managed to remain on gamers' shit list all year.
 

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I don't know why you guys are being so racist, it's not skeletor's fault his bones are white.

Also, thank you for including him in the video...it was like an aural oasis between periods of Jim speaking.
 

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What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
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Gizmo1990 said:
What is Jims problem with konami? I agree with him but he seems to really hate them. Is it just that they continue to fuck up some of his favorite game series or did something actually happen between him and konami?
Well, my guess is that its because of Konami's studio of choice for the HD collection.

They chose a mobile device dev, mostly unknown, rather untalented, mobile device dev. Devs with absolutely no real experience doing jack squat on consoles, doing HD games much less HD textures.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/92768.html
Studio was also formerly known as PhoenixSoft.


The fact that all those issues that exist within the HD collection doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that they actually managed to do anything at all with the games, though I guess being given access to all of its code, even if it is incomplete, helped tremendously.



Its like how I have a problem with Square Enix, because they decided to choose Double Helix (another group of rather untalented bubs) to create the new Front Mission game. A Turn-based RPG Mecha game was turned into the weakest, shoddiest piece of Armored Core wannabee I've seen yet.

It's also because both studios wanted these games done dirt cheap. Coincidentally, Double Helix did Silent Hill: Homecoming. Which, while not as horribly bad as the HD collection, was still an uninspired and simplistic mess.
There was a Jimqisition on Konami's poor (Read: completely non existant) marketing and PR. This video was apparentlly shown to execs at Konami who decided that as punishment for being a messenger on their failings that Jim Stirling would be banned.

Banned from what is the question. JS isstill the principle Destructoid reviewer for all of Konamis games. He was refused entry to Konamis PAX booth but otherwise all this decision seemsto haveachieved is a small Streisand effect and an increase of Jim Sterling based Konami mockery on Podtoid.
 

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Chides Family Guy game for being offensive while waving a giant rubber penis at the camera.

This show is devolving past NSFW and into noisy, childish rubbish.
 

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But Therumancer will probably claim that these terms are invented by liberal academics suffering from "white-guilt" and that his "training" to "spy on people" (I call bullshit.) gives him access to information far in advance of what us mere mortals who post less than 1000 words at a time can comprehend.
Thank heavens i am not the only one that has seen this. Problem is reporting it is annoying because they have to wade through so much fluff to see the offensive bit that it is not seen due to the sheer size of the posts.

I just gave up and put him on my ignore list.
 

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Once again Jim Sterling manages to make one of the most offensive statements I've ever heard. "There is no Christ I am your Christ now". Really I don't appreciate someone trivializing my Lord and Savior with such a revolting comment. Even if you don't agree with my religious standpoint you should have enough dignity as a professional not to demean someone else religion.
 

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I am afraid I must strongly protest your unfair allegations. I did not trivialize your Lord and Savior. I dismissed his entire existence and placed myself higher than he in status and majesty.

When I go to the effort of tearing Christ from his gilded throne and taking my rightful place as God's chosen warrior, when I question the validity of his Holy claims -- for I truly, truly believe that my existence disproves any assertion that he could be the messiah -- I can only be insulted at your suggestion I'd stop at merely "trivializing" him.

To be quite frank, your outright blasphemy has been contentious and vile throughout. That you would DARE directly address me, let alone challenge my Word (for the News is Good) is absolutely disgusting. When I ascend, when I rise to my kingdom of glory on high, you shall quiver, and you shall cry, and your punishment shall be terrible, and your punishment shall be beautiful, and you shall not want it to stop, for even an eternity bound in agonized debt to me is far higher an experience than even a MOMENT bereft of my presence.

Now begone, sinner, and do NOT darken these halls again with your putrid filth.

Yours in contempt,
Jim Sterling, Son of Man, Son of God, All Cop.
 

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Chides Family Guy game for being offensive while waving a giant rubber penis at the camera.
How are these two things similar? Family Guy was offensive. My giant rubber penis is beautiful and majestic. No hypocrisy there, just one awful thing and one glorious thing.
 

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Once again Jim Sterling manages to make one of the most offensive statements I've ever heard. "There is no Christ I am your Christ now". Really I don't appreciate someone trivializing my Lord and Savior with such a revolting comment. Even if you don't agree with my religious standpoint you should have enough dignity as a professional not to demean someone else religion.
Satire, dude. It's that simple. Jim's entire on-site character is a satire. No one can stand higher than God, because God is just a cultural construct that only has bearing on the lives of believers. If he matters to you, cool beans. He doesn't matter to me. I'm an atheist.

I'd much rather join Jim's pretend-cult than acknowledge the Christian faith, which contains some of the more hateful sacks of flesh I've ever had the dubious pleasure to listen to. The most I do is acknowledge Christianity has having cultural value - pretty much like Greek mythology or Mesopotamian creation myths.

Understand that he's pulling your leg throughout his entire videos, or don't watch them. That's all.
 

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Satire only works when it doesn't alienate it's audience. Just as you wouldn't want me to cram my beliefs or belittle your (yes I know there are Christians who do but show me where I have) I don't appreciate someone making light of my beliefs by claiming he is the second coming while swinging around a giant plastic phalace. All beliefs are protected by the constitution from persecution not just Christians but certainly not just Atheists. I don't understand a mentality where it is OK to belittle someone else's belief publicly but here it is. From internet vids to billboards we can tear down other peoples belief systems.
 

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Darkja1 said:
Satire only works when it doesn't alienate it's audience. Just as you wouldn't want me to cram my beliefs or belittle your (yes I know there are Christians who do but show me where I have) I don't appreciate someone making light of my beliefs by claiming he is the second coming while swinging around a giant plastic phalace. All beliefs are protected by the constitution from persecution not just Christians but certainly not just Atheists. I don't understand a mentality where it is OK to belittle someone else's belief publicly but here it is. From internet vids to billboards we can tear down other peoples belief systems.
I think the Saints Row phallus defeats any pretensions of godliness, honestly. That seems to be the entire point of the thing.

Or is it that Jim's character, as his own self-crowned religious figure, can get away with waving a dildo bat around because that's part of his religious tenets?

I'd seriously rather have fun with this goofy setup than pick it apart for hurting someone's beliefs. Maybe you should just look back on all the jokes involving God or the Hereafter and consider that you're being a tad too much defensive of your faith.

You're a believer. That's cool. It won't stop anyone from making jokes about Jesus walking into a bar in your presence.
 

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I'm sorry that me defending myself rather than laughing at it bothers you so but if I may make a point. He didn't make a Jesus walks into a bar joke. He didn't make a all Christian's are this or that joke. He said he WAS God. This crosses the line from humor to insulting. You don't claim deity it allienates any person with religion and if your an atheist you don't claim it because YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. I can take jokes as the crass insensitive ramblings of someone who doesn't agree with but this crossed the line.
 

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I'm sorry that me defending myself rather than laughing at it bothers you so but if I may make a point. He didn't make a Jesus walks into a bar joke. He didn't make a all Christian's are this or that joke. He said he WAS God. This crosses the line from humor to insulting. You don't claim deity it allienates any person with religion and if your an atheist you don't claim it because YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. I can take jokes as the crass insensitive ramblings of someone who doesn't agree with but this crossed the line.
I find it offensive that you believe there's only one God. Where's the respect for the Mighty Zeus and the rest of the Olympians?
 

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I have no problem with the fact that your point of view disagrees with mine. I don't agree with you but it's your right to have it. You'll notice that in this post I have neither belittled your belief nor claimed it was wrong nor claimed deity. My point is the video singled out a religion and claimed their belief was AND crossed the line by claiming to be God. If you want to be an atheist fine I won't judge. I have my opinion that it will happen later but that is my belief and if you don't agree with it that's your choice. I also do feel the need that there is a difference between having a belief and Jim abusing his position as a professional journalist to mock one.
 

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I also do feel the need that there is a difference between having a belief and Jim abusing his position as a professional journalist to mock one.
The last thing you'll ever hear Jim refer to himself as is a "professional journalist".
 

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He didn't make a Jesus walks into a bar joke. He didn't make a all Christian's are this or that joke. He said he WAS God. This crosses the line from humor to insulting.
This is terribly ironic, considering the fact that Jesus' claims to be the son of God were met with equal rage from his contemporary religious leaders (who felt extremely insulted) that you now exhibit towards Jim.
 

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Beliyal said:
Darkja1 said:
He didn't make a Jesus walks into a bar joke. He didn't make a all Christian's are this or that joke. He said he WAS God. This crosses the line from humor to insulting.
This is terribly ironic, considering the fact that Jesus' claims to be the son of God were met with equal rage from his contemporary religious leaders (who felt extremely insulted) that you now exhibit towards Jim.
This.

This is a thread on a games-related forum. Religion has about zero bearing with the current topic, barring the humorous claim that Jim might as well be our god now. It was just that; humour. Please, Dark, for both your sake and ours - get over it.
 

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Big difference a) Jesus was the son of God b) Even if you don't believe he was the core of his message was one of tolerance and love something clearly not shown by a ranting man with a rubber phalus. However we are missing the forest for the trees. My point is he mocked the foundation of someones religous belief by not only saying God didn't exist but by claiming he was God's replacement. I wouldn't care if it was directed toward a Buddhist's, Muslim's, Mormon's or any other religions concept of God it would still be wrong. It's not the questioning of the existence it's the way it was done. Claiming yourself as a replacement for God isn't funny it's wrong. Hey I may not agree with other religions concept of God or atheist's non-concept but I don't ridicule them. Surely society has not fallen so low that everyone thinks this kind of behavior is OK.
 

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Darkja1 said:
Big difference a) Jesus was the son of God
According to a ~2000 year old book of desert stories, yes. Hardly an airtight source.

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My point is he mocked the foundation of someones religous belief by not only saying God didn't exist but by claiming he was God's replacement. I wouldn't care if it was directed toward a Buddhist's, Muslim's, Mormon's or any other religions concept of God it would still be wrong. It's not the questioning of the existence it's the way it was done. Claiming yourself as a replacement for God isn't funny it's wrong. Hey I may not agree with other religions concept of God or atheist's non-concept but I don't ridicule them. Surely society has not fallen so low that everyone thinks this kind of behavior is OK.
Huh? As opposed to Christianity itself that has done the exact same thing to other religions for millenia? Only they didn't do it in the name of satire, they were actually serious about it. Claiming your God as a replacement for Odin, Zeus and Krishna isn't funny, it's wrong. Same argument.

And no, you don't get to be exempt from humor if you're a religion. Freedom of speech, Jack. Look it up.

I'm tired of religious people coming in everywhere being holier than thou as if they're suddenly so butthurt about something when they're often part of a religion that has oppressed and censored people by the millions throughout history. Where's your perspective? It's hypocrisy on a massive scale and you are NOT a victim in any way, shape or form. You just need to go buy a sense of humor.

Jim's persona in the Jimquisition is satire to the utmost degree. I really don't understand how you can take that seriously. I mean, for crying out loud, did you ever stop to think about what the title satirizes? The inquisition. There you can talk about oppression. But hey, why learn from history when it's more convenient to ignore it, right?
 

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No I agree with you the inquisition was wrong. I agree with you that many choices that the church have made have been wrong and for the wrong reasons. I would also like to point out that there has been corruption in the goverment, media, schools, corporations and anything else that involves a group of people. My point being this religion in itself is not responsible for the things you have mentioned people are. People who are not me. If we tear down an institution with corruption in its past there will be none left. As for the freedom of speech. You are allowed to say what you wish with the knowledge that there can be consequences. That's why there are laws against slander, liable, hate speech, bullying and cyber bullying (none of which apply in this particular instance) in this country. As for not being a victim while I'm not claiming to be seriously injured how does someone directly assaulting my beliefs not qualify as a victim. And before you use satire. I find it ironic that he complained about the same type of humor in a game (the game was also wrong too by the way) and then used it himself five minutes later. I just don't think anything gives him the right to mock ANYONE'S belief system. Everyone has addressed the fact that I am Christian and defending my faith but know has justified what gives him the right to belittle anyone especially when he just criticized a game for belittling a specific group.
 

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GUYS. It's not called a "dildo bat". It's the PENETRATOR. That's what it's called, that's what it's designed to do.

...and it gets pretty boring in SR3 after a few good rampages. Buy SR3 for its deep story, heart-wrenching drama, and true-to-life realism. Not the Penetrator.
 

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No I agree with you the inquisition was wrong. I agree with you that many choices that the church have made have been wrong and for the wrong reasons. I would also like to point out that there has been corruption in the goverment, media, schools, corporations and anything else that involves a group of people. My point being this religion in itself is not responsible for the things you have mentioned people are. People who are not me. If we tear down an institution with corruption in its past there will be none left. As for the freedom of speech. You are allowed to say what you wish with the knowledge that there can be consequences. That's why there are laws against slander, liable, hate speech, bullying and cyber bullying (none of which apply in this particular instance) in this country. As for not being a victim while I'm not claiming to be seriously injured how does someone directly assaulting my beliefs not qualify as a victim. And before you use satire. I find it ironic that he complained about the same type of humor in a game (the game was also wrong too by the way) and then used it himself five minutes later. I just don't think anything gives him the right to mock ANYONE'S belief system. Everyone has addressed the fact that I am Christian and defending my faith but know has justified what gives him the right to belittle anyone especially when he just criticized a game for belittling a specific group.
The Christian church is still, to this day, directly responsible for thousands dying in Africa because they condemn condom use and that adds thousands of HIV/AIDS victims every day. So no, it's hardly just a thing of the past.

If you are seriously making the argument that Jim's comment of pure satire is in any way slander, libel (not liable), hate speech or bullying, then I don't know what to say.

No one cares if you think he has the right to be funny at the expense of religious people. It's spelled out in the constitution. You cannot possibly be this oversensitive when it comes to humor against your faith.
 

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No I agree with you the inquisition was wrong. I agree with you that many choices that the church have made have been wrong and for the wrong reasons. I would also like to point out that there has been corruption in the goverment, media, schools, corporations and anything else that involves a group of people. My point being this religion in itself is not responsible for the things you have mentioned people are. People who are not me. If we tear down an institution with corruption in its past there will be none left. As for the freedom of speech. You are allowed to say what you wish with the knowledge that there can be consequences. That's why there are laws against slander, liable, hate speech, bullying and cyber bullying (none of which apply in this particular instance) in this country. As for not being a victim while I'm not claiming to be seriously injured how does someone directly assaulting my beliefs not qualify as a victim. And before you use satire. I find it ironic that he complained about the same type of humor in a game (the game was also wrong too by the way) and then used it himself five minutes later. I just don't think anything gives him the right to mock ANYONE'S belief system. Everyone has addressed the fact that I am Christian and defending my faith but know has justified what gives him the right to belittle anyone especially when he just criticized a game for belittling a specific group.
From a United Kingdom point of view I find it hilarious that people cry about their right to free speech - whilst trying to quell the speech of others. If you want the right to free speech (READ AS: you can say absolutely anything you want to, without limit), then please allow anyone else the right to free speech, (READ AS: you can say absolutely anything you want to, without limit).
No one's taken away your right to religion, and you have the right to be free of "Jim's Religion". If you can't take the joke, why are you reading this? It's like purposely hammering a nail through your own hand even though you don't enjoy it. Unless you do.
No crime has been committed here, just seems to be a complete lack of common sense or humour and people criticising a satirical critic. Heh it's actually fairly comical this, in the sense that of your own religion you obviously have doubt in your own lord to talk about another idol. If you believe it that hard the thought shouldn't even cross your mind.




Jim get over here so I can wash your feet.

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If you look in the post I even said none of which apply in this instance. The point I was making was that freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to say anything without consequence although in this case I suppose the speech is protected. Yet still no on has answered why someone should be able to say one minute this game is horrible because it singles out a specific group and the next minute mock a specific group. it's hypocrisy by definition. Oh and by the way I don't have doubt in my own Lord to defend other people's right to worship as they choose without ridicule I just don't think a public forum where everyone is defending someone who claims they're God while swinging around a plastic phalus is a great place to express why I believe what I do. And for the hundreth time I get it's satire. I also get that it crossed the line into inappropriate.
 

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The Christian church is still, to this day, directly responsible for thousands dying in Africa because they condemn condom use and that adds thousands of HIV/AIDS victims every day. So no, it's hardly just a thing of the past.
I don't think the church is responsible for people sleeping around casually. In fact, that's what they try to teach people not to do. If you don't want HIV/AIDS, why don't you avoid intercourse with people unless you know they're clean? Granted, figuring out who does and doesn't have a disease in the 3rd world is harder than it would be elsewhere, however, all the more reason not to go out seeking a quickie, isn't it?

And just to make sure I don't get dragged into the rest of it; I, Socdemparty, do not actually care about the jokes Jim makes. I understand they are satirical and I am not offended, so I have no input on that matter and do not wish for it to be brought up with me.
 

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At this point I have exhausted my point and myself. I am sure I will get a litany of posts about how I'm leaving because I have no valid argument but I feel I'm not being listened to anyhow. How far have we fallen when we defend people mocking others? Goodnight and have fun continue to flame me.
 

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At this point I have exhausted my point and myself. I am sure I will get a litany of posts about how I'm leaving because I have no valid argument but I feel I'm not being listened to anyhow. How far have we fallen when we defend people mocking others? Goodnight and have fun continue to flame me.
There's a difference between defending someone and pointing out someone's intolerance in attacking them.
Nighty night! Don't let the heathens bite!

PS, the best way to avoid people shouting that you were leaving because you had no valid argument was to just leave and not say anything. People can't accuse you of doing something they don't know you're going to do. (It's called freedom of not-speech!)
 

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I wasn't going to post again but explain to me how commenting that someones mocking comment equals intolerance. By the very definition that does not equal intolerance. I respect peoples right to believe what they will WITHOUT mocking all I expect is the decency for them to do the same.
 

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...and it gets pretty boring in SR3 after a few good rampages. Buy SR3 for its deep story, heart-wrenching drama, and true-to-life realism. Not the Penetrator.
Or buy it for all.

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and true-to-life realism.
Uh... ALMOST all of it. :D
 

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I wasn't going to post again but explain to me how commenting that someones mocking comment equals intolerance. By the very definition that does not equal intolerance. I respect peoples right to believe what they will WITHOUT mocking all I expect is the decency for them to do the same.
I believe that saying I'm Christ is funny.

Respect my belief.
 

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Big difference a) Jesus was the son of God...
Actually the Holy Trinity, the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, are all supposed to be different facets of the same entity. So when Jesus claimed he was the son of God, that would make him God.

Jim could just be the missing part to the Holy Quadity.
 

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Folks, Darkja1 has the right to be offended, just like Jim has the right to create art that offends. Both points of view are equally valid. No one is right, no one is wrong, there are just differing beliefs, and we should respect them both.

Let's collectively move on, shall we?
 

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Well this thread escalated quickly, errrmmm, eeerrr, LOOK BABY PONY!!!

Anyways, im in quite a good mood this year concerning games. Whats funny about being a poor student is that you only tend to buy games you DEFINATLY know you want. I played Skyrim, Lollipop Chainsaw, Shadow of the Collosus HD, Boarderlands 2, Dishonoured (a little, havn't had alot of time to progress) abit of Skylanders (couldn't afford to many of the models) and finally got around to buying and completing Rayman Origins (best game of 2011)... so yeah... feeling pretty gooooood...
 

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dakkster said:
The Christian church is still, to this day, directly responsible for thousands dying in Africa because they condemn condom use and that adds thousands of HIV/AIDS victims every day. So no, it's hardly just a thing of the past.
I don't think the church is responsible for people sleeping around casually. In fact, that's what they try to teach people not to do. If you don't want HIV/AIDS, why don't you avoid intercourse with people unless you know they're clean? Granted, figuring out who does and doesn't have a disease in the 3rd world is harder than it would be elsewhere, however, all the more reason not to go out seeking a quickie, isn't it?

And just to make sure I don't get dragged into the rest of it; I, Socdemparty, do not actually care about the jokes Jim makes. I understand they are satirical and I am not offended, so I have no input on that matter and do not wish for it to be brought up with me.
Are you serious?

The Pope himself has spoken out against condom use in Africa.

Condom use is the most no-brainer thing in the world to bring down the number of HIV/AIDS cases. It's proven to work and why in the world WOULDN'T you promote condom use? People WILL have sex. It's in our nature. Even trying to make the argument that you should know someone's clean before you sleep with them WHEN TALKING ABOUT A 3RD WORLD SOCIETY is stupid beyond measure.

It's like you are completely oblivious about the HIV/AIDS and condom problem in Africa. I would suggest that you educate yourself before making completely ignorant posts like the one you did.

Edit: Also, abstinence programs have an efficiency rate of nothing. They're a joke.
 

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I wasn't going to post again but explain to me how commenting that someones mocking comment equals intolerance. By the very definition that does not equal intolerance. I respect peoples right to believe what they will WITHOUT mocking all I expect is the decency for them to do the same.
And you fail to realize that monotheistic religions, like the Abrahamic ones (Judaism, Christian Sects and Islam), by virtue of claiming their God is the One True God, are, by definition, overtly intolerant of all other religions or beliefs (or lack thereof).

Thus you are demanding that your beliefs are respected, so they can keep disrespecting everyone else's in peace. Beautiful doublethink there.
 

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Are you serious?

The Pope himself has spoken out against condom use in Africa.

Condom use is the most no-brainer thing in the world to bring down the number of HIV/AIDS cases. It's proven to work and why in the world WOULDN'T you promote condom use? People WILL have sex. It's in our nature. Even trying to make the argument that you should know someone's clean before you sleep with them WHEN TALKING ABOUT A 3RD WORLD SOCIETY is stupid beyond measure.

It's like you are completely oblivious about the HIV/AIDS and condom problem in Africa. I would suggest that you educate yourself before making completely ignorant posts like the one you did.

Edit: Also, abstinence programs have an efficiency rate of nothing. They're a joke.
Well, I'm going to be honest with you, I have no problem with condoms or the use of them. I don't think much of many of the policies of the Catholic church, being more of a Protestant myself, not that I tend to support any official church at all.

However, blaming the church for the problem? I do not agree with that. In fact, I do believe the present pope has even taken steps to allow the use of condoms in fighting AIDS (yes, they haven't said they're completely okay, but it's a start). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html But even then, there's nothing stopping them from using them if they want to. There isn't a single Catholic theocracy in all of Africa that's preventing their citizens from making use of condoms at gunpoint. However, if it's so simple and "no-brained", then why haven't they? I'm sure you'd agree that following the church's policy is silly and should be ignored, no? And anyone that would not use a condom on the grounds of what the church tells them ought to be some kind of christian. And if they're a christian, then sleeping with anyone bar their own wife is meant to be a sin. If they don't choose to believe that, then why pay any heed to a ban on condoms?

If the problem is education, as I have read, then what makes you think they even know a condom would help? If they're being told to practise abstinence, yet aren't listening, then why would they listen to anyone telling them about a condom? And if they aren't being told to practise abstinence, then either their local priest is a joke or they aren't Catholic to begin with and therefore a ban on condoms should mean absolutely nothing to them. And again on education, that's what they do in Africa, the church teaches them. And not solely religious teachings, either. Of course, a religious education would inevitably lead to them being slanted against condom use, but once again, it should also mean they are instructed not to engage in casual sexual intercourse. But if they will not adhere to that, why adhere to a ban on condoms?

I'm talking in circles, but my fundamental point here is the church cannot be blamed for this. If they are privy to the knowledge they shouldn't use condoms as part of their faith, then they should also know monogamy is a virtue and lust is a sin. If they will not, or cannot as you claim, take this to heart, why forbid themselves from using condoms? If they know what they do is wrong in the eyes of the church, why would they even care about something else the church believes is wrong? If they do not understand how a condom could help them, then it is because the states of Africa have failed to educate them, not because the church didn't. And if they choose to indulge in sin, which would never be encouraged by any christian institution, let alone the Catholic church, then that is their failure, and not that of the church.
 

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If you look in the post I even said none of which apply in this instance. The point I was making was that freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to say anything without consequence although in this case I suppose the speech is protected. Yet still no on has answered why someone should be able to say one minute this game is horrible because it singles out a specific group and the next minute mock a specific group. it's hypocrisy by definition. Oh and by the way I don't have doubt in my own Lord to defend other people's right to worship as they choose without ridicule I just don't think a public forum where everyone is defending someone who claims they're God while swinging around a plastic phalus is a great place to express why I believe what I do. And for the hundreth time I get it's satire. I also get that it crossed the line into inappropriate.

There's a huge difference between calling out Revelations 2012 for its questionable potrayal of the Mayan indians Jim's claim to have replaced an unnamed God in what is clearly an extension of the charicature of himself that he has created for the purposes of humour.

Clearly he does not think that he is God nor does he think that he has replaced your God.

If the simple declaration that one is and had done so upsets you so then you need to swap you skin for something thicker. While you're not as bad as muslims who call for the death of writers and cartoonists you are on that spectrum and like them if you see something that offends your delicate sensibilities so you should vote with your feet.

If some one claiming in jest to be God is the most offensive thing you've seen today then you should be thankful.
 

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I wasn't going to post again but explain to me how commenting that someones mocking comment equals intolerance. By the very definition that does not equal intolerance. I respect peoples right to believe what they will WITHOUT mocking all I expect is the decency for them to do the same.
I don't. If you choose to believe in something as inherently mockable as any religion then if mockery comes your way then that is on your own head.
 

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I don't consider Resistance: Burning Skies to be anywhere near worst game of the year. Big letdown, yes, but nothing less than mediocre. I can list at least 2 Vita games that were worse i.e. Army Corps from Hell, Modnation.
 

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Your kidding right?

Let's be honest here, this is a game about a real prophecy, or an interpetation thereof, in which the world is being ended. These "ancient brown skinned people" are coming back to kill everyone and everything like they promised to do thousands of years ago. That is why they are being met with force... and actually it's magical weapons being used on them, not machine guns. Their magic makes them immune to conventional force as part of the "plot". :)
If you think that the Mayan "End of World" idiocy is based on a real Mayan prophecy then you are doubly ignorant.

It's racist. Mildly so but still. It demonstrates no knowledge of actual Mayan culture and instead riffs on a moronic believe that Mayans predicted the end of the world so to provide an bullshit excuse for 4 white-bread Americans to come kill them.
Err, no. It just shows your ignorant, buying into a lot of the current attempts to "debunk" the legend which were complete BS. This is something that has been aroung for a loooong time, and it's only due to the attention it was getting due to it's arrival that people started trying to say "It doesn't meant what you all think it does!". There have been TV shows and such going back decades about it.

Also, the Mayan End Of The World prophecy is famous in part because of both the astrological predictions involved, and because it intersected with prophecies made by other soothsayers and prophets who were isolated from knowlege of them. Again, you might want to educated yourself on why it was a big deal, long befor the date approached.

Besides the term is "based on" it wasn't trying to be educational, but fun.

There is nothing racist here, just people looking for excuses to call something racist to get attention. I think half the problem is that people like Jim and others have never encountered real racism, and only heard arguements about it by policial interests that have a reason to want it to exist as a uniting force. Thus when someone fits that concocted description (which almost anything could fit into) it's a reason to go on the warpath.

There ARE racist games out there, created by the tiny, non-mainsteam fringes that are racist. This is not one of them.
 

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Back on topic.

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. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior
No. That's the definition of supremacism.

If you want a completely shallow definition that leaves out the types of racism that you prefer to not include, probably because you exhibit at least some of them, then I guess that works for you.

But you are leaving out social-xenophobia, cultural-xenophobia, aversive-racism, social-racism, and institutionalised discrimination. These are lesser forms of discrimination or racism than outright supremacist notions or the "white man's burden" type of racism but they do exist.

But Therumancer will probably claim that these terms are invented by liberal academics suffering from "white-guilt" and that his "training" to "spy on people" (I call bullshit.) gives him access to information far in advance of what us mere mortals who post less than 1000 words at a time can comprehend.
They ARE liberal academic garbage though. There is only one form of racism... period. If you do not believe in the inherant superiority or inferiority of people based on race, your not a racist.

The thing to understand is that cultural bigotry is an entirely differant animal, it DOES exist, but has nothing to do with racism since race isn't a concern. It all comes down to societies and how people behave which is something that can be changed, unlike racism, which is by definition something that a person cannot change.

Entirely differant discussions, and not understanding that (or trying to blend the two to avoid getting ones tail kicked in debate, as is a liberal forte) is probably hurting your abillity to discuss this.

In the end cultural bigotry comes down to the belief that one culture, or way of living, is inherantly superior to another. An undeniably fact, as cultures based on science and technology that provide medicine, high standards of living, and similar things are far superior to a group of barbarians. Say comparing the modern first world to say cave dwelling savages from hundreds of thousands of years ago. It becomes more contreversial when you start comparing societies and lifestyles that exist today, along with arguements about social darwinism, and whether or not there is
a moral duty to uplift people to a higher level, and similar things. It can also get into cultures vs. counter cultures and discussions about the differance between a healthy counter-culture, and an unhealthy one, etc...

See if you ever studied socilology propely you'd know this, but that's one of the other problems that feeds into this: education becoming a political battleground. Something that goes well beyond this discussion.

In the end though this discussion doesn't involve any kind of cultural bigotry, this revolves around accusations of racism and the idea that this game is racist because it presents brown skinned peoples (who represent an ethnic minority in the first world) as being villainous antagonists. Something that is inherantly foolish as by definition if this was racist, the bad guys would be inferior and thus not present a credible threat for there to be a video game. If anything you could argue that if the game is racist it's anti-white (and well anti- everyone not brown skinned) because only a handfull of people out of untold billions can even approach their uberness, being rare exceptions, and even then only by using the brown-skinned people's own achievements since they have effectively rendered everything else on the planet irrelevent. :)

Basically you, Jim, and others, are making a pretty ridiculous statement. There is a point where you might just want to admit that I'm right, there is nothing even remotely racist about this, at least not in the direction your argueing in, and let it drop. Nobody is disagreeing that the game sucks.
 

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TAdamson said:
Back on topic.

Therumancer said:
. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior

No. That's the definition of supremacism.

If you want a completely shallow definition that leaves out the types of racism that you prefer to not include, probably because you exhibit at least some of them, then I guess that works for you.

But you are leaving out social-xenophobia, cultural-xenophobia, aversive-racism, social-racism, and institutionalised discrimination. These are lesser forms of discrimination or racism than outright supremacist notions or the "white man's burden" type of racism but they do exist.

But Therumancer will probably claim that these terms are invented by liberal academics suffering from "white-guilt" and that his "training" to "spy on people" (I call bullshit.) gives him access to information far in advance of what us mere mortals who post less than 1000 words at a time can comprehend.
They ARE liberal academic garbage though.
Way to prove my point. Spoken like a true chauvinist trying to justify his own thoughts and feelings.

Aversive racism does exist. It's what makes people change what side of the road they walk on when they encounter a person from a background they fear.

It's what makes cops predominantly target young blacks and hispanics for stop and searches in NY.



There is only one form of racism... period. If you do not believe in the inherant superiority or inferiority of people based on race, your not a racist.
Fair enough. If you insist on an erroneous absolutist dictionary definition of racism (that is actually the definition of supremacism) and don't want to include xenophobia under the term then fine.

But it's still xenophobia. And xenophobia is still strongly linked to racism and I think being semantic about definitions is just a way to cloud your barely disguised prejudice.
 

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I've challenged you before to provide evidence beyond your anecdotal rubbish and you've failed to come through. As such you're just another person perpetuating dangerous myths about perfectly normal people.


If you're claiming experience because you are "a trained observer" (What ever the fuck that means, are you a cop? A social worker? Private investigator? Vigilante?) I think you're probably suffering from exposure bias.


Regardless previous statements you've made have been fundamentally disgusting and in no way "middle of the road".
You want to claim that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles, provide statistical evidence from peer reviewed research or fuck off. Your creepy claims that your "experience and training" (Care to name the organisation?) and being "enabled to spy on people"(?????????) provided you with knowledge about the "truth" about homosexuals do not fucking wash and are pretty horrific in and of themselves.

You make it sound like you spy on homosexuals appropo of nothing. What I'm assuming is that you've been asked (or you do it off your own back for fucked up reasons of your own.) to watch those accused or convicted of child sex offences against boys. This is selection bias which you've turned to bigotry.

Or you're making the scientificcally fallaceous argument that because 3% of men are gay and 33% of child sexual offenders target boys, that homosexuals are more likely to offend. This disregards the evidence that the mechanics in the psychology between homosexual and hetrosexual paedophilia and that of androphilia and gynophilia are completely different and that.

It also ignores the massive body of evidence that paedophiles do not display erectile response when shown pictures of adults of the same sex as their preferred child gender.
In cases like this it's not my job to provide "evidence" for you, especially seeing as the truth is out there and easily obtainable. As someone I've done this dance with before apparently, it's pretty obvious that anything I provide will just be called bigoted or debunked, so there is no point. You'll either find the truth and accept it, or you won't.

That said, I don't need evidence, as again, I'm speaking from personal experience and observation. I'm exactly the kind of source someone doing any real research on this topic would use.

Oddly, I find it funny that you claim to have gone down this road with me before, and be oh-so familiar with me and my arguements, and yet you don't even know where this experience comes from? Despite me having just laid it out for you in the previous post? Really, are you serious?

Okay, again. I'm a criminal justice/forensics major who for financial reasons had to drop out of school. I wound up working as security for two of the three largest casinos in the world (Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods). In addition to just working floor security I wound up working their monitoring systems, and being effectively used as one of their investigators. While working these jobs I was regularly assigned to do training with both state and federal groups for the sake of their paperwork (in reality it was a dog and pony show). I've done everything from anti-terrorism training with homeland security, to emergency fire and rescue (including how to work tribal fire's decontamination equipment), to small unit tactics, and was required to attend "Code Adam" training on numerous occasions. "Code Adam" training deals specificially with child predators and child protection and such.

Despite being fairly disgruntled there are some things I won't say about what I did, and how, for obvious reasons, but the bottom line is I followed people, I watched people with cameras, I even had special cameras rigged up sometimes to watch specific people. I've dealth with rapes, assaults, car accidents, and pretty much anything you can think of, I've done security for dressing rooms, I've been in vaults with millions upon millions of dollars, and done VIP and celebrity escorts, and perhaps most relevent to cases like this I've run security for children's arcades and actually had to identfy and chase the real freaks, as well as deal with the problems of a few "misses" when we didn't stop something in time. Understand also, that unlike the movies, gamblers are not a refined crowd, most are obsessive sleazebuckets who care about nothing but stuffing coins into slots. They tend to drag their children to the casinos and then abandon them on the concourse, and then in many cases go out and totally lose track of the time gambling. They aren't supposed to do this, but really casino management doesn't give a crap if you have kids running around out there, all they care about is how much money they are making, and it was our job to make sure nothing happened to those kids (lol) despite being little more than a dog and pony show for the most part.

To say that casinos are pedo hunting grounds is a bloody understatement, and as someone who acts largely as a deterrant and who can only watch so many people at once, guess who trips our flags.... and you know, gay men trying to lure young boys, outnumbers just about everything else when it comes to this area of crime. Both from personal experience, from training (and warnings about NAMBLA given their legal support), and as well as from what the State Police and FBI will tell you when your sitting down for Code Adam updates.

Now yes, I understand, you find this all politically offensive, you don't want to believe it. The differance is I've actually seen it. What's more anyone telling you otherwise is pretty much full of it, because anyone who is in a position to know any better, and has done a job like this, pretty much agrees with me having wound up in the same place due to experience. In training they tell you the same basic thing "when you do it, you'll understand". Even so they are all concerned about the political correctness brigade, with liberal politics basically being a barrier to getting the job done properly.

In short, what you might have heard or read, or feel has been debunked is irrelevent before real experience, and someone who has actually met and worked with real experts (having become one myself). Let's just say that the nicest and safest seeming people in the world will show you an entirely differant side if you dig through thir bags (was an anti-terrorism protocol at casino entrances), shadow them and eavesdrop on them, or follow them around with cameras. Oppertunity, or someone believing they have it, is key. The guy whose going to try and get a little boy to go into a stairwell with him, or leave the casino with him, or whatever else, isn'g going to do it like an out of control dog, but because they believe they can get away with it. The thing is that unless your looking for that kind of thing constantly your not going to know. Your typical guy with a "gay friend" for example could never tell you with authority that they aren't a pedophille or would never do something like this, as by definition you aren't going to be around when an oppertunity presented itself, or was manufactured. That's the problem, and why only people in very specific situations like mine have any right to an opinion as only someone who has done this kind of thing can possibly have the nessicary breadth of experience.

On a side note it's also why I've argued a minimum of 4 years of non-administrative police experience should be required to hold public office or be in any kind of position to have say on domestic or social policy. This would omit me of course given that I was NOT a cop (though in a purely hypothetical sense, if the Security was ever used as anything other than a dog and pony show, and scapegoat, in theory I might have had more power than most cops. Acting as the represntitive of a property owner on an Indian Reservation where the tribe had great latitude to set laws and policies...), but basically I feel someone needs to be able to see the world the way a cop or someone trained to observe and experience things that way does before they can make any desicians about people. You need to know not what people say and show you, but what they do when they think nobody is watching, know what they keep in their bags, and how the subject of private conversations is not always entirely innocent, and set policies accordingly, based on what people actually are going to be like.
 

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That said, I don't need evidence, as again, I'm speaking from personal experience and observation. I'm exactly the kind of source someone doing any real research on this topic would use.
Which makes everything you say heresay and anecdotal.

Unless you are involved with a psychology or criminology department then the value of your "research" is exactly nil.

But it's nice to know that because you've been a Casino security guard that you think think that you've got the experience to declare that gay men are potential paedophiles.

Unless you are doing this sort of research:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005789475801432
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0005796795000704
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1022063214826?LI=true
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00849718?LI=true


Then there is not way, shape, form or reason for you to make such vile claims.

We're done here.
 

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If you think that the Mayan "End of World" idiocy is based on a real Mayan prophecy then you are doubly ignorant.

It's racist. Mildly so but still. It demonstrates no knowledge of actual Mayan culture and instead riffs on a moronic believe that Mayans predicted the end of the world so to provide an bullshit excuse for 4 white-bread Americans to come kill them.
Err, no. It just shows your ignorant, buying into a lot of the current attempts to "debunk" the legend which were complete BS. This is something that has been aroung for a loooong time, and it's only due to the attention it was getting due to it's arrival that people started trying to say "It doesn't meant what you all think it does!". There have been TV shows and such going back decades about it.

Also, the Mayan End Of The World prophecy is famous in part because of both the astrological predictions involved, and because it intersected with prophecies made by other soothsayers and prophets who were isolated from knowlege of them. Again, you might want to educated yourself on why it was a big deal, long befor the date approached.
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Err, no.

The Mayan "End of the World" prophecy is based on erroneous work done by Meso-American anthropologist Michael D. Coe and didn't even predict 2012.

There is no suggestion in Mayan culture that the world would come to an end in 2012. The only thing relevant to the Maya that occurred in 2012 was a new B'ak'tun which according to their writings held some significance in their religious practice.

The idea that the arrival 13th b'ak'tun in 2012 would herald the end of the world is the invention of New Age hippie idiots.
 

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Or how about this?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030105119490037X

I'm glad to see you think that your experience as casino security is more valid than actual scientific research.

Okay, now we're done.

By your spurious definitions you might not be racist but you're definitely culturally xenophobic and generally homophobic.
 

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TAdamson said:
Back on topic.

Therumancer said:
. Racism is the belief that a group of people are intristically inferior

No. That's the definition of supremacism.

If you want a completely shallow definition that leaves out the types of racism that you prefer to not include, probably because you exhibit at least some of them, then I guess that works for you.

But you are leaving out social-xenophobia, cultural-xenophobia, aversive-racism, social-racism, and institutionalised discrimination. These are lesser forms of discrimination or racism than outright supremacist notions or the "white man's burden" type of racism but they do exist.

But Therumancer will probably claim that these terms are invented by liberal academics suffering from "white-guilt" and that his "training" to "spy on people" (I call bullshit.) gives him access to information far in advance of what us mere mortals who post less than 1000 words at a time can comprehend.
They ARE liberal academic garbage though.
Way to prove my point. Spoken like a true chauvinist trying to justify his own thoughts and feelings.

Aversive racism does exist. It's what makes people change what side of the road they walk on when they encounter a person from a background they fear.

It's what makes cops predominantly target young blacks and hispanics for stop and searches in NY.



There is only one form of racism... period. If you do not believe in the inherant superiority or inferiority of people based on race, your not a racist.
Fair enough. If you insist on an erroneous absolutist dictionary definition of racism (that is actually the definition of supremacism) and don't want to include xenophobia under the term then fine.

But it's still xenophobia. And xenophobia is still strongly linked to racism and I think being semantic about definitions is just a way to cloud your barely disguised prejudice.

Actually young blacks and hispanics get targeted for searches and such due to minority counter-cultures. It's a situation where the counter cultures have created so much criminal and anti-societal behavior, oftentimes justified by the belief in non-existant racism, that profiles have begun to crop up that have nothing to do with anything close to racism or belief in the inferiority of the people being searched.

Hence why people like me and Bill Cosby, have spent a lot of time talking about the need to take action against those counter cultures as the actual problem facing black america rather than some nebulous threat by "whitey". It's the height of irony... a real catch-22, but really if minorities stopped trying to use racism to justify their behavior and just blended into the rest of society as ordinary people, these problems would stop.

As someone whose done searches, I'll also point out that a lot of these statistics are complete BS. Let's say your doing bag checks at a hotel, everyone who enters gets their bags searched before they can enter the hotel. Guests are of course pissed, but it's due to the latest terrorist threat, and as a good dog and pony show security is out to make a scene and piss people off so we can be seen doing something. In this case we search everyone, but it's the minorities that make the biggest stink about it, and do so screaming "Racism" because for them it gets attention. At the end of
the day though the embarassing crap in their bag (if they have any) gets outed just like everyone else's.

See, that's the thing that a lot of people don't "get". Those in positions of authority don't get off on harassing people for no good reason. Whether your a cop, or security (and I've worked with the police) when you do something it's because your told to do it, and it's usually pretty general. People screaming that blacks and hispanics are more likely to be searched (and I've met them) might make a scene to the media, but in general there is no way to tell what's going on from their complaints because you'd need to track everything going on. I know, I've been there, I've done the searches, I've fielded the complaints, I've filed reports sometimes while working with police (Tribal or State, depending on who we were working with). The actual truth is that "racism" gives a tool for people to get lippy with because people pay attention when that word is dropped, even if it shouldn't be. It doesn't matter if we've searched everyone in line, someone accuses us of racism, they might get to see a supervisor, and make us do paperwork due to their complaint, the people doing it who are pissed you searched them, do it just because they can and figure they can get a little bit of payback for the inconveinence. Truthfully, my general attitude is it should just be ignored, or if people push it to make a scene should be arrested for disturbing the peace or kicked off property by security out of hand just for suggesting it.

Also there is no "absolutist" version compared to another version, there is another one.

Also Xenophobia is again differant from racism, it's a fear of anything alien, that doesn't come with any pretension of superiority or inferiority. A Xenophobe might even be that way out of an inferiority complex in fact, depends on the situation. Mostly it tends to be one of those fancy terms that is misused as it's something so rare that it might as well not exist. Genocide, racism, xenophobia, all terms overused due to their intristic power, and almost never within an appropriate context. I blame sensationalist media.
 

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That said, I don't need evidence, as again, I'm speaking from personal experience and observation. I'm exactly the kind of source someone doing any real research on this topic would use.
Which makes everything you say heresay and anecdotal.

Unless you are involved with a psychology or criminology department then the value of your "research" is exactly nil.

But it's nice to know that because you've been a Casino security guard that you think think that you've got the experience to declare that gay men are potential paedophiles.

Unless you are doing this sort of research:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005789475801432
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0005796795000704
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1022063214826?LI=true
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00849718?LI=true


Then there is not way, shape, form or reason for you to make such vile claims.

We're done here.
Not vile claims, the truth which you can't handle apparently. You could just say "I surrender, I might not agree with you, but I can't dispute this".

Again, I won't get into another "link war" because when I do it just leads to more QQing about my sources. The bottom line is anything that supports what you say (and it exists, your opinion is directly from the left wing media) is by definition wrong.

Also for the record, hearsay is when you report something that someone else told you. That's differant from speaking from first hand experience, as I am relaying things I've actually done. Working entirely off of the word of my instructors had I never actually done the job, would be hearsay, but that's not the case.

Right now you have exactly ONE source on this subject that is anywhere near credible, and that's me. Now being the internet you can of course fall back on claiming I'm a liar. Someone who has spend years telling the same lies for years just for the sake of screwing with you, and thus probably worthy of the title "universes greatest troll". That isn't the case of course, but really it's your only real recorse here, and if you think I'm lying to that extent, why the heck even bother to start discussions with me?

We can pretty much consider this over I guess. Feel free to post another final word if you feel the need to, but keep in mind I've been extremely civil with you. I get tired of you, and others, being insulting in your responses. I have yet to report anyone on these forums, but understand that there is no such thing as an exception for someone's views being "so offensive". Simply put if you can't remain civil on the subject and to the person, you should stay out of discussions like this at all. This last bit not just directed at you, but to others I have these discussions with as well. Understand what you've been saying is just as ignorant to me as what you claim I've been saying is to you.
 

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A spade is a spade. And a bigot is a bigot. You have no experience to make the sort of claims that you make on this site. Being a casino security guard is subjective, anecdotal experience. Code Adam is a safety response that rightly errs on the side of caution not scientifically based scientific research.

Paedophiles do not respond to androphilic (or gynophilic) stimuli. Your "experience" is not evidence.
 

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Therumancer said:
If you think that the Mayan "End of World" idiocy is based on a real Mayan prophecy then you are doubly ignorant.

It's racist. Mildly so but still. It demonstrates no knowledge of actual Mayan culture and instead riffs on a moronic believe that Mayans predicted the end of the world so to provide an bullshit excuse for 4 white-bread Americans to come kill them.
Err, no. It just shows your ignorant, buying into a lot of the current attempts to "debunk" the legend which were complete BS. This is something that has been aroung for a loooong time, and it's only due to the attention it was getting due to it's arrival that people started trying to say "It doesn't meant what you all think it does!". There have been TV shows and such going back decades about it.

Also, the Mayan End Of The World prophecy is famous in part because of both the astrological predictions involved, and because it intersected with prophecies made by other soothsayers and prophets who were isolated from knowlege of them. Again, you might want to educated yourself on why it was a big deal, long befor the date approached.
Err, no.

The Mayan "End of the World" prophecy is based on erroneous work done by Meso-American anthropologist Michael D. Coe and didn't even predict 2012.

There is no suggestion in Mayan culture that the world would come to an end in 2012. The only thing relevant to the Maya that occurred in 2012 was a new B'ak'tun which according to their writings held some significance in their religious practice.

The idea that the arrival 13th b'ak'tun in 2012 would herald the end of the world is the invention of New Age hippie idiots.[/quote]


Wrong again actually. The New Age Hippie Idiots actually co-opted this for the same thing that they always do, claiming it would be a new dawn of peace and understanding. Another "Age Of Aquarious" so to speak.

The problem with your entire arguement is that this prophecy has been understood for far longer than it's been a current subject of scruity. It's been a staple of late night TV and "edutainment" programs for a really long time, oftentimes linked in with other doomsday prophecies. A "mistake" by any one expert is a matter of opinion at this point, and kind of irrelevent given all of the various differant theories at this point.

To be honest the whole "the calander just ends" thing is pretty recent and hokey. According to everything I've run into it seems to be tied to people claiming to be descendants of the ancient mayans, aztecs, incas, and other groups who have taken claim to a lot of the sites where valuable ruins are located. A highly contreversial move because all of these paticular people were dead/vanished which is part of the entire mythology and why this got so much attention to begin with. The claims to the lineage being extremely teneous but ultimatly upheld for political reasons. Among them have come claims of revivals of the old religious practices in the old sites, which are about as authentic as Schemitzun. It provides an excuse for a lot of things, in paticular keeping people out of those areas without paying the tribe (and the goverments more specifically) a lot of money, under a more politically correct guise, as well as being used to conceal goverment assets, which is a tactic other goverments are beginning to crib from the US. Not to mention they can ue our own policies of "oh be careful of the indigious peoples" which we were beating them over the head with, right back on us.

They all vanished, or were wiped out by the spanish! Nope, they are alive and well and telling us we got it all wrong. :/

At any rate the bottom line is pretty much that the whole apocolypse thing wouldn't have worked for the long term so they had a vested interest in down playing that, especially when it was right here.

Also, as you seem to have overlooked, 12/21/12 was a conflux of multiple prophecies where people believed they were able to tie the date into everything from Nostradamus, to Numeralogy, to astrology (given a solar eclipse), and numerous other things, minor and major. This is why if you bothered to follow the "wierd news" you'd notice you had people running off to specific mountains in the Himalayas and such where they believed they would be safe. It's because all these seperate sources came to the same basic date, with minor variations on what happened.

To be honest with you, I find it kind of hilarious to find so many people argueing that this was interpeted wrong, because really, it's pretty much the Mayan's one enduring claim to fame. :)
 

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A highly contreversial move because all of these paticular people were dead/vanished which is part of the entire mythology and why this got so much attention to begin with. The claims to the lineage being extremely teneous but ultimatly upheld for political reasons. Among them have come claims of revivals of the old religious practices in the old sites, which are about as authentic as Schemitzun. It provides an excuse for a lot of things, in paticular keeping people out of those areas without paying the tribe (and the goverments more specifically) a lot of money, under a more politically correct guise, as well as being used to conceal goverment assets, which is a tactic other goverments are beginning to crib from the US. Not to mention they can ue our own policies of "oh be careful of the indigious peoples" which we were beating them over the head with, right back on us.

They all vanished, or were wiped out by the spanish! Nope, they are alive and well and telling us we got it all wrong. :/
Nice to know you can inject your right-wing invective against the horrors "political correctness" into the question of whether the Mayan People still exist.

I guess the continued existence of Mayan language and most of Mayan culture in large sections (40% of the population) of Guatamala , mostly due to Spanish segregation, means anything to you?

In anycase the Maya do still exist. Still have a language and have specifically stated that there is nothing in their culture that states that the beginning of the 13 B'ak'tun signifies the end of the world.

Such ideas are the invention of wags and hoax sites on the internet and have been turned into quasi-documentary entertainment by cable edutainment channels for consumption by credulous morons.





Also, as you seem to have overlooked, 12/21/12 was a conflux of multiple prophecies where people believed they were able to tie the date into everything from Nostradamus, to Numeralogy, to astrology (given a solar eclipse), and numerous other things, minor and major.


So 12/21/12 was a confluence of prophecies that were all wrong? I think once again you been watching a bit too much of that TV "edutainment" nonsense that seems to have corrupted the History and Discovery channels.


The only mentions of the 13th B'ak'tun in existing Maya texts are as follows:

Tortuguero:

It will be completed the 13th b'ak'tun.
It is 4 Ajaw 3 K'ank'in
and it will happen a 'seeing'[?].
It is the display of B'olon-Yokte'
in a great "investiture".

La Corona:

An inscription, on what is known as Hieroglyphic Stairway 12, describes the establishment of a royal court in Calakmul in 635 AD, and compares the then-recent completion of 13 k'atuns with the future completion of the 13th b'ak'tun. It contains no speculation or prophecy as to what the scribes believed would happen at that time.


Nothing particular here about the end of the world.
 

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Or how about this?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030105119490037X

I'm glad to see you think that your experience as casino security is more valid than actual scientific research.

Okay, now we're done.

By your spurious definitions you might not be racist but you're definitely culturally xenophobic and generally homophobic.
Actually, yes it is more valid. You can come up with all the theories and tests you want but at the end of the day it comes down to what people are actually doing out there in the real world. Proper scientific research on the subject would involve conferring with people who actually have experience like me, and those who handled a lot of my training and such to begin with.

In the end it's like this, you want to know about Gorillas. You capture one, put it in a cage, and then examine it in a controlled enviroment. In the end any hypothosis you might come to or prove about them and how they behave in the wild is totally irrelevent compared to the word from someone who goes out into the woods and watches them from hiding for a few years. The guy doing the covert observation might not have the fancy lab, but he's going to wind up knowing a heck of a lot about Gorillas.

The problem with most research on subjects like homosexuality is simply the human factor. Those who get involved in doing it, set out to prove a specific point. The guys making cases that gay men are harmless are generally though with a liberal agenda who are out to prove that point to begin with. The same way that someone from an anti-gay type group might do the same thing from the opposite perspective. The results reinforce what they set out to prove to begin with. Both sides claim they debunked each other, and who you take more seriously depends on what you want to believe to begin with. The two sides laugh at each other's research, and who is considered "right" more often in discussions depends on what forum your in when you make the referance. That's why I don't bother to play the "link game".

The thing is that my conclusions came after long experience, I didn't set out to be anti-gay men despite what you might think from my early life experiences. Actually, it's easiest in life to just let and let live, and assume the best of everyone as long as they leave you alone. Ignorance is bliss and all of that. Rather, I wound up in a position where I was out there with the right training, watching human behavior over a prolonged period of time. Patterns of behavior developed, reinforced by training, logs, etc... which all pointed in this direction. It's sort of like the guy observing the gorillas. The guys doing this research by definitition just don't have the training, or time invested, to do what I did, since nobody was going to pay them, nor are they neutral since they set out to do research to begin with.

I get that you don't want to accept this, and that's fine, but the point remains that I, and people like me, are the only real sources you could possibly have for something like this. To argue the point we'd need to find someone with a similar backround, with an entirely differant set of experiences. That would provide a counter-source to it. I'm pretty confident though that you won't find anyone in the same kind of position covertly watching/protecting children as part of a job who will disagree with me.

See, you keep using the term "homophobic" but that really isn't accurate, since I'm not against homosexuals, just gay men. The reason for this is simple. You know my standards come down to a tendency towards pedophillia. My reason is that I've seen a lot of gay men try and go after kids/lurk around/etc, caught them with kiddie porn in bags (which the casino doesn't prosecute being more interested in the money spent at games than anything else), and similar things, enough to have noticed a massive trend. I have not seen ONE case of a lesbian trying to do the same thing to a little girl in ten years on the job. I won't say it hasn't happened, it probably has, but not on my watch, and certainly not frequently enough to form a pattern. As a result, I could give a crap what lesbians do. This is a trend you'll also find in the media in general, you do a check for sexual assaults on little girls by adult women and while they do exists, how many will you find compared to little boys being attacked by men? Let's just say the gay men pull waaay ahead here. Contrary to what some people imply, that I am not anti-lesbian because I like lesbian porn (which is funny since porn has so little bearing on reality), or whatever else, for me it's a very simple situation.

I'll also go so far as to say that even the ridiculous "but what about straight guys attacking girls" peanut gallery crack really doesn't matter. You don't generally see the same kind of hunting/stalking behavior. It's to the point where I'm far less likely to be concerned about a little girl with some strange guy, than some strange guy following little boys around. To be honest there have been far more incidents (mostly "close calls"... again the casino just wants to prevent incidents for it's own liability, it doesn't care what people do in most cases that don't involve it's money, since it wants everyone, including the real scum, to gamble) with men going after little boys than with guys going
after little girls, which happened in a blue moon comparitively. It's something you learn from watching patterns, and responding to incidents over a period of time.

In short, I am exactly what I portray myself as... anti-gay men. I'm actually quite blunt and up front about it. "Homophobe" is a nice, left wing attack, that tries to imply there is something wrong with the person who dislike gays, but it really doesn't work in my case since the problem isn't homosexuality, just one paticular side of it. It's also pointless to attack me on the case, I'm hardly ashamed of it, I think what I do from a long period of time. Running around screaming "Therumancer doesn't gays" is kind of funny on a lot of levels, like it's something I hide if the subject comes up. :p


Also I myself have said before that I'm a cultural bigot, something which actually comes from not being racist. Simply put I believe that as all people are pretty much the same, they can be held to the same standards, and can be expected to learn and change. When I'm critical of nations like The Middle East, China, etc... it's because of their behavior and what they do. I do not consider "well we've been doing it this way for thousands of years" to be an excuse not to grow up and progress. There is no intristic, genetic, barrier, compelling these people to be a specific way. That's why when I go on my militant rants about breakin cultures and killing hundreds of millions of people or whatever, it ultimatly comes down to putting an end to an ingrained set of behaviors with a lot of inertia behind it. I genuinely believe people can be made to change, and a lot of the backwards craziness we see going on is the result of a self perpetuating cultural cycle that cannot be broken internally, which is why exterior force (extreme given that it's a society) is nessicary. There is no racism or genocide involved, since I believe in the final equasion everyone can be held to the same standards. There is no genetic imperative making islamic tribes stone women to death, or keep these endless cycles of human trafficking throughout that region as well as asia and south and central america going.

In the final equasion what I believe in amounts to social darwinism. Yes I am a bigot, because I happen to believe that what I think, and what my society standards for IS better than civilizations that promote human trafficking, intergrated sexism, racism, and other assorted behaviors. I believe that the greater good can be measured in terms of future generations, killing hundreds of millions now is a small price for untold trillions that will not effectively be born into one form of ownership and slavery or another accross future generations. If you break a culture, people can be taught to live a better way. Of course this is the height of bigotry as people from those same cultures fully believe in their theocracies, stonings, human ownership schemes, sweatshops, and whatever.

The point of this rant. I don't like gay men, and I'm a pro-western bigot, primarily American, but I tend to see proper civilization being represented by a triumverate of the USA, UK, and Australia... or simply put The British Empire and it's two greatest children. As I've ranted before, while I disagree with a lot of their current politics, I think the three of us are far more alike than differant at the end of the day due to our shared origins, and that I believe this basic style of values and morality (seperation of church and state, no slavery or human ownership of other humans) is the best possible future for humanity.
 

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A spade is a spade. And a bigot is a bigot. You have no experience to make the sort of claims that you make on this site. Being a casino security guard is subjective, anecdotal experience. Code Adam is a safety response that rightly errs on the side of caution not scientifically based scientific research.

Paedophiles do not respond to androphilic (or gynophilic) stimuli. Your "experience" is not evidence.

Actually Code Adam is developed based on the experience of international law enforcement and errs on the side of caution based on those accumulated facts.

I *DO* have the kind of experience to make these claims as well.

You might not like the points that I'm making, but that doesn't mean it's not true, and yes it is evidence. Actually it's more powerful than most kinds of evidence as it's witness testimony. Very few of the people studying this kind of thing have any real world experience in dealing with it, and enter it from the position of politics to begin with, setting out to prove or disprove a hypothosis they are interested in for personal or political reasons.

The most you could argue is that noone could know this, on some fundemental, metaphysical level, but we both know that isn't true, and that the key to learning anything is direct, covert, observation of things happening on their own.
 

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I *DO* have the kind of experience to make these claims as well.
No you don't

and yes it is evidence.
Not for the sorts of claims you make.

Actually it's more powerful than most kinds of evidence as it's witness testimony.
That's only valid for individual criminal cases and is also often found to be mistaken.

To make the claim you make you need statistically significant scientific evidence.

Very few of the people studying this kind of thing have any real world experience in dealing with it,
Yes they do. They are psychologists. You are a casino security guard. Learn the difference.

Psychologists that study sexual offenders interact with them stratospherically beyond the superficial level that you have (If at all).



and enter it from the position of politics to begin with, setting out to prove or disprove a hypothosis they are interested in for personal or political reasons.
Your statement shows you do not understand science. If somebody conducts a study that cannot be replicated then it is ignored. Personal beliefs do not enter the equation or are weeded out by repeated separated observation.

You are a casino security guard and your individual experience is not evidence. Much like those who take homeopathic cures and claim to feel better are not evidence. The results are anecdotal and not valid except as part of a controlled, randomised, double blind experiment.

Your experience is either a statistical aberration or is tainted by your own prejudice.
 

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Your experience is either a statistical aberration or is tainted by your own prejudice.

This is basically what your trying to get to, all of your flailing around about science and so on aside. Simply put, you can't accept that I'm right because it plays havoc with a belief you dearly want to hold onto. That's fine, I don't expect to convince anyone over the internet.

I tell you the truth, you won't accept it. Nothing I say is going to change your mind, so what's the point? We're pretty much done. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

This might sound worse than I intend it, but to be honest I do hope nothing ever does convince you I'm right. At one point I used to be a lot like you, I was young, extremely liberal despite some VERY bad experiences, and while I liked violence and action, I wasn't quite the militant I am now, at least not in the same way, on the same scale. It's easy to maintain that when you can mostly hang out at home, go to college, and play D&D with your buddies. Sometimes you see things and make desicians that change who you are forever and you simply cannot ever go back. This is the "colored glasses" I mentioned before, knowlege, and learning specific things and how to look changes... everything. A lot of the more "hateful" things that I believe in that come up on this thread all feed into each other from the same basic sources. To be honest if you ever did REALLY look and learn the truth, you'd turn into a far differant person accross the board. The saying "ignorance is bliss" exists for a reason, to be honest I was happier before I knew a lot of the things I do now.
 

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This is basically what your trying to get to, all of your flailing around about science and so on aside. Simply put, you can't accept that I'm right because it plays havoc with a belief you dearly want to hold onto. That's fine, I don't expect to convince anyone over the internet.
No. You don't understand the idea that statistical scientific evidence trumps your anecdotal experience.

I'm no surprised. There are many like you claiming that "common sense" and "from what I've seen" trumps a scientifically managed study or experiment.

Your experience as a security guard (Not even a cop) means nothing. It's irrelevant. The fact that you think that it proves anything is laughable.
 

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Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
IMO that's a bit too harsh, way too harsh really, may not have been up to your Blood Money standards but when you see what they do to other franchises this was not that bad. Syndicate was turned into a FPS for crying out loud, Hitman Absolution keeps the stealth, you cannot run and gun in that game unless you're playing on Easy, Unlike another former stealth game... There's been a decline in stealth games overall, on an unrelated note I must say it's rather surprising that the next MGS game (Ground Zeroes, MG Rising isn't MGS) is looking to be way more stealth focused than the last few games, it didn't quite have the same "action"-feel to it that the other games have, which IMO is great.

So once again, I see where you're coming from, an old-school purist, sure, but Hitman Absolution is by no means bad compared to other games. Maybe, compared to previous Hitman games, but I've only played through Blood Money, and while it was a great game, I can't help to feel that nostalgia is a big factor here. After all, it's a bloody long time since Blood Money came out. Anyway, I want to finish off by saying that if it's truly the worst game you've played in 2 years, then your taste is either weird or you haven't played many games during that time.
 

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Woodsey said:
Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
IMO that's a bit too harsh, way too harsh really, may not have been up to your Blood Money standards but when you see what they do to other franchises this was not that bad. Syndicate was turned into a FPS for crying out loud, Hitman Absolution keeps the stealth, you cannot run and gun in that game unless you're playing on Easy, Unlike another former stealth game... There's been a decline in stealth games overall, on an unrelated note I must say it's rather surprising that the next MGS game (Ground Zeroes, MG Rising isn't MGS) is looking to be way more stealth focused than the last few games, it didn't quite have the same "action"-feel to it that the other games have, which IMO is great.

So once again, I see where you're coming from, an old-school purist, sure, but Hitman Absolution is by no means bad compared to other games. Maybe, compared to previous Hitman games, but I've only played through Blood Money, and while it was a great game, I can't help to feel that nostalgia is a big factor here. After all, it's a bloody long time since Blood Money came out. Anyway, I want to finish off by saying that if it's truly the worst game you've played in 2 years, then your taste is either weird or you haven't played many games during that time.
I play Blood Money every few months, nostalgia isn't a problem. Besides which, Absolution doesn't get a pass because other games have been flipped on their head entirely. It's a poor stealth game and it's a terrible Hitman game.

The save system is shit; you spend most of the time simply running away from people down linear corridors; enemy placement is seemingly at random; the writing that it so desperately adores is unimaginably atrocious; the pacing is off; the disguise system is pretty much completely broken, and the instinct system isn't much better.

Even without comparing it to Hitman: Blood Money, it is a bad game in its own right.

SC: Conviction irritates me for ditching what Splinter Cell was, but I can still enjoy it for the not-Bourne-but-may-as-well-be game that it is. Absolution was relentlessly aggravating and stupid.
 

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Why is this thread about racism and pedophilia? WHAT HAS HAPPENED!?
In case you didn't notice, Theuromancer is also a slavery apologist. To see him drag another thread into his world of rot is hardly a surprise.
 

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My computer's too crap to watch the video on The Escapist, and they didn't upload this episode to youtube. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

I'll just wait a month until I get a more capable computer, no biggy.
 

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I agree with Jim's choices completely. Honestly, Steel Battalion should have been a much bigger deal than everyone ignoring it. It's a damn shame too because beneath the completely broken controls, there is a great game there, an absolutely magnificent game that could have brought tears to the eyes of the dead through it's great comrade system. Instead, we get Kinect, which ruined the game. There is no denying it that Kinect is the reason this game sucks so hard. Remember the old MASSIVE peripheral for the Xbox Steel Battalion that had half a gorillian buttons? That was more intuitive than the Kinect. Microsoft is beta testing a product that does not work as intended and has NEVER worked as intended, and are instead lying to people about how well their advanced eyetoy actually works.

After all, has anyone wondered what the bottom oif an avatar's shoe looks like?

Furthermore, what the fuck has happened in this comment thread? What the actual fuck? I could be more on topic if I went to 4chan's /b/ and asked someone to post about global economics and how ice cream sales affect it as a whole. This is just bizarre.

Calumon: I don't know who's trolling who anymore! D:
 

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I'm to to much of a dullard to say best show ever after you weidling a giant dildo jim.

oh fuck it great show jim.
 

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Why is this thread about racism and pedophilia? WHAT HAS HAPPENED!?
It's almost like it turned into a less funny episode of Podtoid.
 

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No Resident Evil 6 ? color me surprised.
That game was disappointingly mediocre, these games all seemed to be actively on fire.

Especially that 2012 game, that shit makes you forget all about RE5 in terms of amping up the racism. It seriously looks like the kind of thing the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood would fund as a flash game.
To be honest I agreed with his general sentiments, about all the games, but really I think people need to stop prattling on about racism when there is no present, especially seeing as when people cry racism they don't even seem to know what it is, probably because racism as a mainstream phenomena is dead in the first world. It does exist on the fringes of society however.

Before you fire back, I'd point out that there really ARE games made by racist groups. "Ethnic Cleaning" being one from a white supremacy point of view.

Showing a bunch of primitive and backwards people AS primitive and backwards people is not in any way, shape, or form racist. Calling a guy who literally walks around and throws spears because that is the cutting edge of his availible technology a "spear chucker" isn't racist either. To be racist you have to be making a statement saying that these people are inherantly inferior and could never be any more than that, or by taking a person of a specific ethnicity who is more than that (say a black guy with a first world education and a good job) and saying that they are that when they clearly are not. Calling a banker a spear chucker is racist, calling a tribesman one is not.
I've cut your quote arbitrarily so that it doesn't threadcrap all over this forum, but that's the only reason. If you think I've selectively edited, feel free to indicate as such in your reply but herein lies one of the fundamental flaws of internet culture: everything is either all-or-nothing. A game is either the greatest thing ever made or the worst piece of shit ever (and if you don't believe one thing, you believe the other). Just look at the comment uproar when someone's favorite game is awarded "merely" 4/5 in reviews. And this extends to the notion that something is either made by a hate group or it's completely innocuous and innocent. There is a LOT of gray area on the subject of racism.

Resident Evil 5, for instance, was fine, right up until the "spear-chucking, mask wearing, loin-cloth clad jungle dwellers" part. Then it got a little racist, frankly. The same could be said of this 2012 game, though that's a BIT worse but for similar reasons. I doubt either of those games were made with malicious intent, but the fact is: they are still racist to an extent. The notion that "racism is dead" in the mainstream of the first world is also laughable. It's not dead, it's just more passive-aggressive. People aren't (generally) lynched in the street anymore, they're wrongly convicted of crimes or harassed by those in power. Just because you don't SEE it anymore, doesn't mean it's gone.
 

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Undeadpool said:
I've cut your quote arbitrarily so that it doesn't threadcrap all over this forum, but that's the only reason. If you think I've selectively edited, feel free to indicate as such in your reply but herein lies one of the fundamental flaws of internet culture: everything is either all-or-nothing. A game is either the greatest thing ever made or the worst piece of shit ever (and if you don't believe one thing, you believe the other). Just look at the comment uproar when someone's favorite game is awarded "merely" 4/5 in reviews. And this extends to the notion that something is either made by a hate group or it's completely innocuous and innocent. There is a LOT of gray area on the subject of racism.

Resident Evil 5, for instance, was fine, right up until the "spear-chucking, mask wearing, loin-cloth clad jungle dwellers" part. Then it got a little racist, frankly. The same could be said of this 2012 game, though that's a BIT worse but for similar reasons. I doubt either of those games were made with malicious intent, but the fact is: they are still racist to an extent. The notion that "racism is dead" in the mainstream of the first world is also laughable. It's not dead, it's just more passive-aggressive. People aren't (generally) lynched in the street anymore, they're wrongly convicted of crimes or harassed by those in power. Just because you don't SEE it anymore, doesn't mean it's gone.
Yes it does mean it's gone. Racism is by definition something that has to be out there for it to exist and be a factor. Everything you mention is ambigious by it's very nature and tends to be used mostly as a political tool. It's easy to rally people or motivate a counter culture if you claim people are being "harassed due to secret, invisible racism". It's nothing but a boogie man that doesn't exist, and on the rare occasions where there is truth to it, it's handled quickly and efficiently.

Not to mention that when you have counter cultures active it by definition loads the entire equasion. If people are grouping up on ethnic lines, and acting in an anti-societal fashion, needless to say they are going to draw negative attention, especially if they are being aggressive for it, and blaming everything that goes wrong for them on some non-existant boogie man.

Right now the big problem with minorities in general is to target the counter-cultures and associated behaviors to force societal assimilation. Racism is dead, most of the problems are coming from the others side of the equasion, people who do not want to join the rest of society and be normal, and take actual responsibility for themselves and their actions.

The problem with "Invisible Knapsack Theory" and why it's been massively debunked is that anything you can blame on racism could also be blamed on transdimensional parasites afflicting people's brains. You can't see it, you can't prove it, but we're supposed to take it on faith that it exists. The big question in situations like this is who benefits from it. Someone claiming "transdimensional parasites" has no beneficiary and is probably just insane (though you could never prove it unless you found something wrong with their brain chemistry), but with racism various PACs (Political Action Commitees) have a direct motivation for wanting to manipulate racial groups for their own power (being able to sell their services to get their group to support a cantidate), not to mention crying "racism" still gets people more attention than they would otherwise warrent in a bad situation. People being so quick to distance themselves from it, that the mere mention means people will use kid gloves where they wouldn't before... in ensures special treatment.

The bottom line is that there doubtlessly are racists who have acted "behind the scenes" but they hardly represent any kind of majority, and indeed have to hide from the majority.
 

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"AMY IS ICO WITH ZOMBIES AND IT'S TOTALLY BRILLIANT" - IGN

"AHAHAHAHA" - JIM STERLING
Oh man, how did I not see that the first time I watched this? Fucking hilarious.