Jimquisition: The Wacky Harassment Blame Parade

[The Material Sheep]

I'm just gonna leave this quote from Winston Rowntree here, because it's relevant to the subject (replace sexism with harrasment):

"Very little makes me more pissed off than gender prejudice, but what do I ever do about it? Pretty much I just assume I?m not part of the problem, so enjoy your hive of scum and villainy, everyone, I live on a higher plane. And here you have by far the worst response to sexism: nothing. The response of choice of we who love avoiding confrontation (and comment section shitstorms). And so transgendered people continue to be disproportionately persecuted because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and women continue to get chased off Twitter because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and rape victims continue to not be taken seriously because not enough people are goddamn ensuring a supportive environment."

Who in this world doesn't take rape victims seriously? That alone to me discredits just about the entire quote.

 

[BelindaClock]

I'm just gonna leave this quote from Winston Rowntree here, because it's relevant to the subject (replace sexism with harrasment):

"Very little makes me more pissed off than gender prejudice, but what do I ever do about it? Pretty much I just assume I?m not part of the problem, so enjoy your hive of scum and villainy, everyone, I live on a higher plane. And here you have by far the worst response to sexism: nothing. The response of choice of we who love avoiding confrontation (and comment section shitstorms). And so transgendered people continue to be disproportionately persecuted because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and women continue to get chased off Twitter because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and rape victims continue to not be taken seriously because not enough people are goddamn ensuring a supportive environment."

Who in this world doesn't take rape victims seriously? That alone to me discredits just about the entire quote.

I should have edited that to say male rape victims (here's a link: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men). My mistake.

 

[BelindaClock]

At this risk of spamming, here's some more quote (once again, replace sexists with harassers):

"The ability of the Internet to make it seem like there are more assholes than there really are is allowing such bullshit to run wild, and the people who do speak up get a tidy neighborhood discourages crime [http://skepchick.org/2013/08/atheism-sexism-and-harassment-the-price-of-speaking-up], and this is a neighborhood that needs a lot of fixing up."

 

[The Material Sheep]

I'm just gonna leave this quote from Winston Rowntree here, because it's relevant to the subject (replace sexism with harrasment):

"Very little makes me more pissed off than gender prejudice, but what do I ever do about it? Pretty much I just assume I?m not part of the problem, so enjoy your hive of scum and villainy, everyone, I live on a higher plane. And here you have by far the worst response to sexism: nothing. The response of choice of we who love avoiding confrontation (and comment section shitstorms). And so transgendered people continue to be disproportionately persecuted because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and women continue to get chased off Twitter because not enough people are ensuring a supportive environment, and rape victims continue to not be taken seriously because not enough people are goddamn ensuring a supportive environment."

Who in this world doesn't take rape victims seriously? That alone to me discredits just about the entire quote.

I should have edited that to say male rape victims (here's a link: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men). My mistake.

Well, that can be true. However, he's still wrong comparing internet communities and irl communities. Anonymity changes just about everything in terms of human interaction. It's also not helped by the ease of liked minded individuals getting in contact with each other over the internet. He addresses us like a single community, which is entirely false. We're a bunch of communities with some similar interest in games. Within smaller groups this behavior is rarely allowed, but there is nothing you can do when someone doesn't care about your smaller group, because he's got his own group that doesn't care.

 

[AldUK]

Dear Jim,
I'm sorry but this is a really poor example of female harassment by the gamers community that you have chosen to focus on. As a female gamer this is obviously a topic that?s a matter of not only interest but something that I have been on the receiving end of and this example of Zoe as I said is not a very relevant one to base your points upon.

As far as I have researched and read on this whole case it basically comes down to a matter of "he said she said" in which there is no real evidence for whether it was real harassment or if it was faked for publicity. Also the fact that this harassment came from sites like wizardchan gives less credibility to any of it because that is not a good representation of how the 'gaming community' acts and it's kind of impossible/pointless to expect anyone to be able to stand up to chans. Also every gamer I know (male and female) knows to IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the chans. Everyone knows that if you read/post on a chan (especially about something like depression) they are going to "an hero" you. So it's not like those sites JUST harass her they just harass everybody because that is pretty much where 'trolling' was invented.

I know this story is something quite visible so Jim has jumped on the proverbial band wagon but as a female gamer this isn't a very realistic example of harassment by the gaming community based on gender.
I myself have often been the target of verbal abuse for my gender in many of the multi-player online games I play such as CSS, Dota and more recently LoL. IF I LET IT this 'harassment' could totally ruin a day of gaming for me or make me depressed but why listen to these few individuals that don't know me and obviously get their jollies by needing to make someone else upset? Most of the time these people are a small select group of 12 year old mentalities who are just getting enjoyment by getting a rise out of me because they are so bored or sad in themselves and so they have to put me down. The majority of gamers are quite courteous to me and mostly don't care about my gender one way or the other so long as I am decent at what ever game I?m playing.

Jim's point that other gamers should stick up against this kind of idiocy is a nice thought but to be honest I'm no princess peach needing Mario to come save the day for me. I can stick up for myself, so can other females and we do. The best thing (in my opinion) that we can do is ignore them, not let them get a rise out of us and eventually they will get bored and get over their immaturity. I don't expect a guy to stick up for me nor do I specifically need or want that, I just want to be treated with respect as I afford other gamers. In fact in the past when my guy friends have tried to stick up for me the 'attackers' just turn on the guys with comments like "oh you just want in her pants" or "you poor virgin sticking up for your girlfriend" etc. So this 'sticking up' for the "poor girl being harassed" never really seems to help and sometimes just escalates it. I've had insults from "get back in the kitchen" to "you should go die and leave gaming to the boys" but you know what? I let it go, I don't let it ruin my life or my enjoyment of games because for every 1 gamer like that there are so many more that are friendly and respectful.

Merry Christmas,
Nen

Can I just say a-fucking-men to this post. This is the reality of the situation, not the overly dramatic call-to-arms that Jim's asking for in pursuit of views and ad-revenue. I've been gaming online for 13 years and in that time I've seen every kind of scumbag and every kind of saint. If a girl is being harassed online it's almost always to do with the game itself and it's completely equal to the kind of insults guys direct at other guys. If we wrap every girl in bubble-wrap and proclaim that it's wrong to ever call them out online than we are being just as sexist and misogynistic as the assholes that target girls just for being girls.

If you think you're being targeted by trolls, block them, mute them, leave the page, etc. Do what you have to do to get away from it. Confronting that shit only fuels these people, as many, many others on this thread have attested to.

 

[Gilhelmi]

Ignore and report the trolls, it's not a hard concept. Don't expect people to join in a shit flinging contest every time it pops up. Don't expect people to also give a shit about every shit flinging contest that pops up, report the trolls, and ignore them. They'll either be removed, or they'll leave, if you can't do that shit, then tough tits.

"The sword on my hip weeps at the thought of having to be drawn again. My sword is only drawn in defense, it knows this, but she does not like to fight. I know her pain, for I do not like to fight either. Oh Lord, when will you come? Your children are ragged and tired. But as before, so shall we again, persevere these days. Why do wicked people do evil? Why do the good ones stay silent? Oh Lord, give us strength to overcome these trials and birthing pains."

*An Anonymous Soldier*

I want to say something eloquent, I want to say something meaningful that would change peoples hearts and minds. But all I can think of is one simple question.

WHY?

I honestly do not understand any of this in the least. Be kind to others, Treat your neighbor with respect and love, act online as you would if you were face-to-face.

I liked the anonymity of the Internet, but I think that it is time to let that go.

Why? So we can be fucked with by trolls in real life. We already have several avenues on the internet that removes anonymity and shit still continues like this, only this time they get access to personal info. Or do people forget the existence of all those social networks sites.

My fear is that if we ignore the trolls (especially when they have access to sensitive information) is that some day a crazy person, who might be written off as just a troll, is going to commit a bigger crime. I see the possibility of things escalating.

I studied early Civil Rights history (in America), I am starting to see similarities between these trolls and the major hate groups. First came the loud obnoxiousness, then came the vandalizing (where police were ignoring the issue, mostly, some even joined in), then came the lynchings, then came the riots, then came the public outcry and silence was no longer a viable option.

I can not turn my back to the trolls, for I legitimately fear, that they will attack me. Silence is the Rape victims worse enemy, living in fear constantly destroys a persons mind. At this stage we are fortunate, if we prosecute the ones making threats, we can head off further destruction.

I will not live in fear, I will fight with any lawful means possible.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

The Wacky Harassment Blame Parade

A bunch of game enthusiasts harass a woman online. Everybody starts blaming people. The victim, mostly. That, and alien creatures who are totally not real gamers.

Watch Video

Hi. What has happened to her seems absolutely awful. However, there are a number of quietist gamers that are not at all interested in politics in or through gaming (except maybe laughing at the latest big flare up and how moronic a side is) or joining in to defend one side or the other. That is not a sickening craven position, that is just a section of gamers uninterested in the latest bloody argument. Some of us don't care very much (we have games to play, jobs, other interests) and we are backing neither side. Why? Because being truly informed on what is going on is a number of hours researching both sides.

Who has the bloody time?

The answer is you Jim, you and other gaming journalists. Not everyone has your time in the medium and the latest debates. Thanks for the video, no thanks for calling gamers cowards that don't get involved in this latest issue.

Stop making sense.Stop enjoying games and focus on the this "big political issue".
The worst part,I don't think that Jim really care about this big issue.He is just milking it for ads money.
40 % of his episodes are about that.
Shame,because he have some fun ones.

Milk milk. Milking on the farm of ads.

Trying to get people into a cause by trying to make them feel inadequate and immoral. Oldest trick in the book.

 

[Mahemium]

I feel that this topic, whilst valid, is never properly addressed. Yes, women are treated poorly within the industry and by the gaming community as whole, of that there is no doubt, however, for all the videos, for all the discussion, there's never analysis as to why this is the case. Sure it's easy to say "There's a large demographic of jaded male misogynist/gynophobic gamers who demean and harass women within, or commenting on, the industry. It needs to stop". But I think there needs to be a question as to "Why are there so many jaded male misogynist/gynophobic gamers to begin with"? I believe these issues, that are becoming all the more common, are but a symptom of deep rooted problems that are never addressed or even acknowledged.

 

[carnex]

Dear Jim,
I'm sorry but this is a really poor example of female harassment by the gamers community that you have chosen to focus on. As a female gamer this is obviously a topic that?s a matter of not only interest but something that I have been on the receiving end of and this example of Zoe as I said is not a very relevant one to base your points upon.

As far as I have researched and read on this whole case it basically comes down to a matter of "he said she said" in which there is no real evidence for whether it was real harassment or if it was faked for publicity. Also the fact that this harassment came from sites like wizardchan gives less credibility to any of it because that is not a good representation of how the 'gaming community' acts and it's kind of impossible/pointless to expect anyone to be able to stand up to chans. Also every gamer I know (male and female) knows to IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the chans. Everyone knows that if you read/post on a chan (especially about something like depression) they are going to "an hero" you. So it's not like those sites JUST harass her they just harass everybody because that is pretty much where 'trolling' was invented.

I know this story is something quite visible so Jim has jumped on the proverbial band wagon but as a female gamer this isn't a very realistic example of harassment by the gaming community based on gender.
I myself have often been the target of verbal abuse for my gender in many of the multi-player online games I play such as CSS, Dota and more recently LoL. IF I LET IT this 'harassment' could totally ruin a day of gaming for me or make me depressed but why listen to these few individuals that don't know me and obviously get their jollies by needing to make someone else upset? Most of the time these people are a small select group of 12 year old mentalities who are just getting enjoyment by getting a rise out of me because they are so bored or sad in themselves and so they have to put me down. The majority of gamers are quite courteous to me and mostly don't care about my gender one way or the other so long as I am decent at what ever game I?m playing.

Jim's point that other gamers should stick up against this kind of idiocy is a nice thought but to be honest I'm no princess peach needing Mario to come save the day for me. I can stick up for myself, so can other females and we do. The best thing (in my opinion) that we can do is ignore them, not let them get a rise out of us and eventually they will get bored and get over their immaturity. I don't expect a guy to stick up for me nor do I specifically need or want that, I just want to be treated with respect as I afford other gamers. In fact in the past when my guy friends have tried to stick up for me the 'attackers' just turn on the guys with comments like "oh you just want in her pants" or "you poor virgin sticking up for your girlfriend" etc. So this 'sticking up' for the "poor girl being harassed" never really seems to help and sometimes just escalates it. I've had insults from "get back in the kitchen" to "you should go die and leave gaming to the boys" but you know what? I let it go, I don't let it ruin my life or my enjoyment of games because for every 1 gamer like that there are so many more that are friendly and respectful.

Merry Christmas,
Nen

I don't know if everything written here is truth but never the less this is just about the best post here. Only sad thing is that nobody will cover this and paste it all over the media since it won't bring clicks and visits unlike cries of professional victims.

Enjoy your games and report trolls. Peace out!

 

[Hagi]

Oooooh...

Gamers are like Feminists now? A giant hive-mind where each and every individual is wholly responsible for any and all statements and opinions of anyone also identifying with the same group?

Well, rest assured, from this moment on I will start sending out positive thoughts of inclusiveness, respect and tolerance to the hive.

 

[leviadragon99]

I have clue WTF Jim was trying to get at in this video. It seemed to be aimed at nobody in particular, but then a lot of his videos are like that I guess. Ranting at something that some crazy person/people said/did online, and venting his steam at an audience who is 90% nothing like who is supposedly venting at. But apparently disassociating ourselves from crazies is...contributing to the problem somehow? So are we supposed to share the blame? WTF? I don't even know any more.

What a confused mess of a JimQuisition episode.

Goddamnit videogames community why are we not past this bullshit yet? Do we have to purge 4chan or something to make any sort of headway against wankery?

Purging 4chan will simply result in five more 4chan-like sites popping up. What I mean is that this is the power of the internet, it has it's positives and negatives. A large part of gamer culture simply happens to exist on the internet, and so here we are.

Anyone who gets harrassed (female or not) needs to learn to deal with it, because absolutely nothing can be done about random online anon's flinging mean words at you. If they're getting harrasssed locally, then call the police and take it from there. Nothing more can be done, accept that fact.

Or if you're Jim, make a video about it.

Let's back up a second and remove gender from the Equation, Jim also did a video about Phil Fish leaving videogames for being relentlessly trolled on his ultimately irrelevant opinions like he was Roger Goddamn Egbert or something, this isn't an issue solely about women, (although they do seem to frequently cop the worst of it for no other reason than their gender) nor is the backlash against this kind of bullshit only happening when women are targeted, this is an issue with cowardly asshats hiding behind the anonymity of the internet as they project their impotent rage and lack of self worth onto others. Trying to make the anti-dickhead movement Jim is in favour of about protecting one gender over the other is not that far away from the same kind of blame-redirection bullshit Jim is right to call out.

End of the day, no-one should have to put up with this bullshit, it may be difficult to fight but it's not impossible, it just requires a commitment to not turning a blind eye, nor accepting it as the status quo, it means finding new ways to change ingrained attitudes and to effectively (somehow) exclude from the internet people that are determined to eternally be raging cockholes, even if the fight were essentially futile, then it'd still be worth having, is real world crime not worth dealing with because there's always going to be people willing to commit it? Abandoning the internet as a cesspool of horrible people is a self-fulfilling prophecy, just because you think it's an insurmountable problem, don't expect everyone else to stand aside.

 

[Bruce]

From what I can tell after extensive research. It goes like this. (the order is as close as i can find and i take no responsibility for it being wrong)

Dev posts game.
wizardchan peeps ***** about game on wizardchan (it was mostly because of disagreements with whether the dev would actually understand the subject matter of depression, having a successful job and relationship and social life)
Dev finds wizardchan posts somehow
Complains that she's being harassed
takes down game
puts game back up after tirades about how just because she's female doesn't mean she can't game dev (as some of the posts were misogynistic, read: 2 out of the hundred or so, the idea is the harrassment, if you could call it that, is because she's a woman.)
tweeters hear cry of harrassment, run with story, slathering term 4chan about
channers (the source is unknown) take offense at this, obtain devs details apparrently call dev masturbating
Dev reports this
media runs with this because gamers hating devs is in vogue and feminists seem to be very vocal these days

Here is the much more likely sequence of events.
Dev posts game with plans to release it for free on Greenlight.
wizardchan peeps ***** about game on wizardchan.
Some wizardchan peeps decide to take it a step further, and start harassment campaign on her Greenlight page.
One gets ahold of her contact details, posts it on wizardchan.
Dev notices she is getting seriously unpleasant shit heading her way out of nowhere, and wonders what the hell is going on.
Dev Googles, discovers wizardchan.
Dev eventually, worn down, takes down game.
Months pass, Dev puts game back up on Greenlight figuring the campaign will have run its course.
Wizardchan starts up again.
Dev goes to press, shows screenshots, press writes about it.
The usually suspect try to make out as though Dev is at fault for all of this, using logic that would make Kent Hovind blush.

How is that more likely? Seems more like, this is more in line with what you want to believe about the situation and less about trying to figure out exactly what happened.

It fits the reported facts better, given that there was no reportage of this before December from when the game was first taken down, it doesn't assume anything not in evidence and Wizardchan is quite frankly an obscure forum. It is not like 4Chan, which everybody knows about.

The Dev in question would need a reason to find Wizardchan in the first place, something the first series of events doesn't supply. At all.

 

[Piorn]

Geez, how embarassing, stuff like that is still going on?
And I'm certainly not going to harass or defend people because I somehow agree or disagree with the way they lead their life or anything, because I try not to judge people, but sometimes I really wonder what people gain from such behaviour.
It can't be money or fame, so I guess they're just always angry?

 

[SquidSponge]

All of this about being held accountable for other people's actions? What a gargantuan pile of dismbodied elephant bollocks [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit]. There are few people (in gaming communities at large, doubly so on the Escapist) who would condone/tolerate the sort of behaviour you report in your video, but the fact is that if there was actually anything people could do about it, then people would bloody well be doing it. Unfortunately, there is very little [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bugger_all] one can do against an anonymous avatar, nor is it your responsibility [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilante] to do so, because everyone knows [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10012382/Boston-bomb-Reddit-apologises-for-identifying-wrong-suspects.html] how well that always works out [http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1344982/trial-by-social-media-police-criticise-response-to-mardi-gras-excessive-force-video/] every time guaranteed [http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/29/digital-vigilantism-think-before-pictures-of-wrongdoing-online]. Most societies appoint figures to cut out shit like this harassment. In this case, the moderators are responsible for the site, and the police are responsible for the rest. The fact is it's very difficult to prosecute for the phone calls, but that is a failure in the law, not the people who happen to be passing by at the time.

Seriously, "don't feed the trolls" is an internet mantra for a damn good reason. If you reprimand someone for sexist BS, then someone ignorant enough to have posted it in the first place is unlikely to be swayed into becoming a better person by your calling them out, so you've wasted your time. And if they are, indeed, a troll - then you've shoved down their gullet a not-insubstantial quantity of the attention they crave so they'll find a new target - rinse & repeat - so you'll actually have been counter-productive (and wasted your time). The best only thing you can do in the short term is report it and move on. And don't get me wrong, I think you should report that shit any and every time you see it, but unless you're a mod (or law enforcement officer) you should subsequently stand aside.

So by all means lobby for an overhaul in the law regarding "IRL" harassment (also feel free to harangue the forum or wherever for more moderation I guess), but stop flinging poo at everyone who has the gall to be present. You talk of "the gaming community" as if it's a hive mind or something - worse still, that it's one single community [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Spurious?s=t]. And I'm glad you brought up the topic of "fracturing [http://writingishard.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/logical-fallacy-friday-the-false-dilemma/] the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_us_or_against_us] community [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma]" there, Jim - I'd say you've done a sterling [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pun] job of bringing us all together.

As for the argument about people "covering [sexism/harassment in VG communities] up", that's something I don't really recall ever having seen (smells a bit like straw to me [http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html]). To be perfectly honest, I only see this sexism/harassment stuff when someone goes out of their way to inform me of it, ~95% via the Escapist forums, but at least I have seen that, even if I am beginning to tire of the "social justice warrior" routine that seems to be almost the entirety of the Escapist these days. Fortunately, Zero Punctuation seems to be holding out (for now).

I've disagreed with some of your points before, Mr. Sterling, but this is the first time I've seen a video that seems so utterly specious that I cannot help but lose some respect for you. Son, I am disappoint. I hope you step your game back up soon, 'cause I enjoy your videos in the most part.

 

[Amir Kondori]

Nothing will...

Nothing you nor i can do will stop a hatefull person being hatefull.

See you think these people care about what you or I think in the slightest.

That somehow our words affect them in any way or form

But they dont.. nothing you, nor i, nor anyone else says to them will stop them in their hate rampage.

The only thing that stop a troll from trolling is a ban, and even then they find a way around said ban.

So the only solution is to ignore these trolls and realize that they are a minority that holds no sway in the grander scheme of things.

As for the real live harasment... again it was extremely stupid to post her real life info like her phone number on the net.

Want a male example?

How about tha Blizzard admin who only posted his real name on the net and not hours later had people call him on his phone knowing all kinds of private info about him? He was also harrased.

But instead of people "coming to his aid" they rightly called him off for doing something incredible stupid. Theres being the victim and then there is making yourselfe readily available to becomming a victim.

That Blizzard example is actually a good example but not in the way you think. He posted his real name saying that just a name alone was not enough to make you unsafe. Then all of his personal info was found and he was called. In his case the people were very polite about it and said they just wanted to show why real names were a bad idea.

So you are kind of making the case FOR the existence of a double standard between male and female developers. That guy was not harassed.

Oh the example i wanted to take out of it is that posting your private info.. any private info is incredible stupid on the net.

And that it allways leads to very very bad stuff no matter the gender.

Also not harassed? It could and most likely would have gone bad very very fast if they hadnt removed the full name emidiantly and the people who had found out all that info had belonged to the more... hatefull demographic of the internet.

He was lucky... nothing more nothing less.

People actually told him where his kids go to school.. polite or not that is incredibly alarming and shows that no matter your gender, posting your info on the net is an invitation to bad things.

And... so what? Are you implying that the harassment is her fault because people were able to find her info? A lot of professionals have their info posted online so others can get in touch with them, my info is online for business purposes. This kind of comment reeks of "it is her fault" bullshit. If that is not what you mean then my apologies but it gets old reading this kind of blame the victim stuff.

Fault?

You know what.. yes... yes it is her fault that she was called on her private phone and gotten creepy calls.

In this entire situation that is the only point where she is at fault herselfe for what happened.

And you know why this is her fault? Because she wouldnt have been called on her phone by these people if they didnt had her private phone number!

And you are just as foolish to have your private information readily available to everyone on the internet. Usually businesses have business numbers that only connect to business phones. She however gave away her PRIVATE mobile number from what i understood.

She is NOT at fault for the existance of those people or their hate towards her. She is however responsible for her own behavior.

Sorry if that doesnt sit with your perfect view of the world but if you do stupid things then you only have to blame yourselfe.

Does that mean i support the hate? No i dont, but i also dont feel pitty for someone who does something stupid and then gets burned due to their own stupidity.

The people that utter death threats or sexually harass her should be persecuted however that is no reason to somehow apologize her own naivity.

If i tell people not to come into my garden to try to pet the dog because he might bite is it still my dog whos to blame? Or rather the idiot who ignored my warning, climbed over my fence, came into my garden and tried to pet my dog that i told him not to pet?

And if a woman wears a skimpy dress it is her fault when she gets raped, right? I find your ideas repugnant.

 

[ACman]

Who in this world doesn't take rape victims seriously? That alone to me discredits just about the entire quote.

[/quote]

What planet have you been on? Stubenville ring a bell? Blaming the victim is pretty common in rape cases.

 

[Hellfireboy]

What exactly is anyone here planning to do about it. If you have a bunch of anonymous assholes being assholes then you should... call them assholes. They don't know you and you don't know them so there isn't any real repercussions for this kind of behavior. No one is going to go to their house and kick their ass. No one is going to get them fired from their jobs or kicked out of their parents basements. What exactly is anyone going to do? Type louder? One up them on creativity calling them assholes? Every post here is repeating that we shouldn't tolerate this behavior but all you can do about it is counter insults for insults to people for whom reason and logic are foreign concepts. Is someone actually going to come up with a way to deal with it or are we just going to get more videos like this one which are basically just screaming at the wind and tell it to stop howling?

The problem is these assholes got ahold of her contact details - which is a lot easier online than you would think.

Unfortunately that falls under the heading of, "Things Assholes Do In the Course of Being Assholes," but it isn't the problem. The problem is that there is no meaningful consequence for those actions. As long as they are able to get away with it scott free then they will continue to do it. While this video is a nice rant aimed at raising awareness of the issue (though if you are still unaware of this this may be your first day on the internet) it does exactly nothing to solve the problem. What I am asking is if anyone has any ideas that could lead to a solution not simply a knowledge base of the fact that assholes exist and how they express their assholishness.

 

[Erttheking]

No one wants true or facts.The "defenders" just want to look good,smart and superior.They don't even care about the supposed victims.
Damn it,now I'm sad.So much picking on suicide people for a lie and some money from greenlight on Steam.

You know, I have a hard time taking it seriously when people paint the entire side of a massive argument with the same brush. Also did you happen to happen to catch the part where the links about the insulting posts where sent to her? And also, would you care to tell me where money came into the equation? Depression quest is going to be a free game.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

BRB, going to go thumb this up on greenlight...

Right, done.

Now, to people who say "but these assholes aren't real gamers!" you should still condemn them regardless. I do. I mean, there is no reason to do this kind of social assault and bullying on someone. It's not like she's EA putting microtransactions into games and holding sequels hostage unless they make 5 million sales in the first week. It's not like she works for the NSA and is watching you jerk off to furry porn via your webcam. *sighs and shakes his head* I really do not understand some people.

Oh, and people were whining about the Dynasty Zelda? REALLY?! REALLY?! Why? It looks like it's going to be AWESOME. My only complaint is that it's going to force me to get a WiiU! XD

 

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I still can't believe there are some people, who seem like smart, reasonable people, are actually taking the opposite side, or as Jim says, playing the Devil's advocate, and thus people will automatically jump on reasons to justify their blatantly misogynistic personalities and treatment of women. Like, holy crap, how did it get this bad, how are so many people doing this without any kind of remorse? I'm sick of "it's just the Internet" or "that's how these things are here" or worse yet "this or that person shouldn't have the right to complain/critique/speak at all, because it's not meant for them", like freaking Hell, can we PLEASE actually TRY to be more accepting?!

Also, this episode reminds me of The Big Picture : Not Okay video, where MovieBob essentially said the same thing Jim said, that gamers are more quick to sweep this under the rug then actually deal with it. You know, feinting ignorance may not be as bad as actually committing the act, but it's still pretty horrible.