If you think that's not a fair comparison, then you don't know much about native american culture.Fox12 said:
Look up the Cheyenne military societies sometime. Or the Aztec Empire, if you want to go further south.
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Look up the Cheyenne military societies sometime. Or the Aztec Empire, if you want to go further south.
Except as someone who's not in the majority I do frequently see people other other races as leads in movies. Does it bother me? No, not at all. I care about how well they act and how well the movie is done. I couldn't care less if the cast is all white, black, Mexican, Asian... Whatever. Now if they're doing a movie about a specific culture or one that takes place in a place where people are mostly a certain race they should try to match that.shintakie10 said:
In specific discussion to the Gods of Egypt here's a picture that game up when I googled Egyptian People
http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Middle-Eastern-Faces.jpg
There are so many different looking people and a lot of them do look pretty pale...
Why was the role of Heimdal "Blackwashed" (for lack of a better term)?
Because Idris Elba was one hell of a good actor.
If the work is purely fictional, there should be nothing stopping the casting agencies in picking whoever they thing is better suited for the role.
And it works both ways, so that means we can have a movie set in fictional/mythological Egypt, cast entirely by Scandinavians, and a move about fictional vikings cast entirely by people from Uganda.
Because Idris Elba was one hell of a good actor.
If the work is purely fictional, there should be nothing stopping the casting agencies in picking whoever they thing is better suited for the role.
And it works both ways, so that means we can have a movie set in fictional/mythological Egypt, cast entirely by Scandinavians, and a move about fictional vikings cast entirely by people from Uganda.
The Last Samurai isn't whitewashing, lol. None of the japanese characters were played by white coloured humans.
I would say 47 Ronin is a better example. They should have made Hiroyuki Sanada the main dude. They had to make the plot fit their casting of Keanu, rather than casting to the story.
I would say 47 Ronin is a better example. They should have made Hiroyuki Sanada the main dude. They had to make the plot fit their casting of Keanu, rather than casting to the story.
Stormtroopers were clones. How far in the future is TFA from the clone wars? I doubt there are any clones left. I was under the impression that all stormtroopers in A New Hope and beyond were all conscripts or volunteers.DemomanHusband said:
Like the link showed there are some real diversity problem in Hollywood and the acting world in america. But people who talk about it and do stuff like #witheoscar don't give a shit about that. They just want to come out with a "holier than thou" attitude and show off how non-racist they are on social media because its the cool things now. If there was social media 100 year ago they would probably be for racism cause that was in at that moment.Ihateregistering1 said:
I think they're actually hurting instead of helping, next year will probably see a huge up swing in the Oscar nomination/winner for black (with maybe if were lucky a small increase for latino and Asian), but that's just gonna devalue the Oscar that black eventually win, because whether or not they deserve it people will just consider they got the prize cause Hollywood wanted to avoid another backlash. Giving a prize to someone because there black is just as racist as not giving them one because there black.
As far as the industry work, there's two possibility. Either actor race matter to the audience or it doesn't:
If it does matter, cast white cause there the majority with an even bigger share of the disposable income necessary to buy movie ticket. Especially now that movie are trying to work both for America and china, where black practically unheard of. We might see more black actor in 15-25 year if india economy really pick up, but at the same time Bollywood already got the market covered.
If it doesn't, hire white: There's more white that can afford acting school on top of there being more white that go to acting school just due to number. This means that for every exceptional black actor to come of acting school there's probably 50-100 white one. It has nothing to do with white being better actor but everything to do with history and the ugly baggage that is slavery.
Separate to all this i just can't get behind praising millionaires, maybe i don't connect to actors or celebrities the way others do.
Again separate to this, remember when Resident Evil 5 came out and people complained that in the trailers all the zombies were black, even though the game is set in Africa. I realise there are white people in Africa of course, but the intense pressure for skin colour representation is crazy sometimes, it's stupid how important it is to people.
My only opinion on casting more black people in movies is that it does depend on the role, i think it would be cool to have a black James Bond in the future, but would it make sense? You'd no longer be following the wishes of the original author, if he's aged like Daniel Craig would he have had the opportunity to become an agent after growing up in the 70s/80s, due to his skin colour it's unlikely he'd be chosen to infiltrate the ranks of the Russians or other Bond themed enemies, so then if he's sent to spy on warlords in third world countries i doubt he'd be wearing a dinner jacket and performing Bond style hi jinks at all, the entire franchise would have to change.
Until someone is willing to make that change to Bond or other large franchises, lesser known films like Elephant White will be all we see.
Again separate to this, remember when Resident Evil 5 came out and people complained that in the trailers all the zombies were black, even though the game is set in Africa. I realise there are white people in Africa of course, but the intense pressure for skin colour representation is crazy sometimes, it's stupid how important it is to people.
My only opinion on casting more black people in movies is that it does depend on the role, i think it would be cool to have a black James Bond in the future, but would it make sense? You'd no longer be following the wishes of the original author, if he's aged like Daniel Craig would he have had the opportunity to become an agent after growing up in the 70s/80s, due to his skin colour it's unlikely he'd be chosen to infiltrate the ranks of the Russians or other Bond themed enemies, so then if he's sent to spy on warlords in third world countries i doubt he'd be wearing a dinner jacket and performing Bond style hi jinks at all, the entire franchise would have to change.
Until someone is willing to make that change to Bond or other large franchises, lesser known films like Elephant White will be all we see.
Well, yes to both points, considering the fact that you just brought that up and didn't say anything else. Is this really a question? Do you think bringing up a 'counterpoint' without fleshing it out in the same post is completely ok?Richard Gozin-Yu said:
What are you even saying? 'Presidential debate'? Is hyperbole all you speak in? I also only ceded the original context of the point, not the point itself. Are you trying to imply that making a single mistake suddenly makes me worthless in your eyes? I still would really like to know the actual point of your original 'counterpoint'. Why do you keep dodging the question? Is it really so hard to just say what you mean in the first place rather than dropping a single 'gotcha' and hoping you'll be taken seriously?Richard Gozin-Yu said:
I must say, you seem a bit mad.
Well here's the thing with mass combat especially when you're dealing with the weaponry used at that era, there isn't a whole lot of skill that comes into play with survival. No amount of skill, or experience is going to help the individual, when it comes to stray bullets, getting stabbed in the back, trampled or being cut down as your allies retreat. Its entirely a matter of luck in that regard. Tom Cruise surviving due to luck, is not far off the mark. Its not because he was "better" than the rest of them, it was because he got lucky. Also I'm sure someone has stated this earlier but I'll state it again. Tom Cruise was not the Last Samurai in that movie, Watanabe's character was. His death was the symbolic death of traditional samurai culture in Japan, as far as the movie's script and theme were concerned.Fox12 said:
The other thing is that the Tom Cruise character was based on a real person, a French captain named Jules Brunet, who actually fought alongside the Shogunate forces in the Boshin War. When the shogunate collapsed he stayed behind with what remained of anti imperial elements that formed the Republic of Ezo. He basically was responsible for the training of the Republic's army, and assisted with its defense when Imperial Japan invaded. The west was super involved with the Boshin War, and Meiji Restoration, and to stick your nose up at the roll the west played in that war as white washing, denies a lot of the reasoning behind the events that took place. Sorry a key part of that period was western military influence, both on the field and how it effected the traditionalist culture of the Samurai class. Its not white washing to center a movie around that interaction.