I don't care about comics or the Joker's backstory, as far as I'm concerned this is a movie about a clown losing his mind, and it looks great, way better than the rest of the superhero movies if you ask me.
JOKER trailer discussion
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Let's hope the mom is not obviously gonna die tragically and obviously send Arthur Fleck over the edge though. I'm getting some very heavy 'born from tragedy' vibes from this trailer, and it's not because I don't want to feel sympathy for the Joker, it's just such an overplayed means of creating a villain.
It really isn't. In the 1989 movie, he has an exceedingly not mysterious backstory. In the Dark Knight it's not really explored. For most moviegoers, that very concept would be news.Silentpony said:
I'd bet he kills her.Casual Shinji said:
Remember how The Joker had a different story every time for how he got those scars?erttheking said:
A bunch of short stories all about those instances... each time starting with a "You wanna know how I got these scars?" and finally ending with a first person perspective, the Joker holding his switchblade to the camera - that looks down at its arms and legs - clearly bound. "You wanna know how I got these scars?"
Cut to black. Roll credits.
Not exactly. By Joker's own admission he's an unreliable narrator who remembers his past differently at different times. Which is a completely different kettle of fish. In fact, the backstory we see in the Killing Joke isn't actually told to anyone. It's revealed directly to the audience via flashback, not conveyed to other characters through monologue. And because the Joker's an unreliable narrator, the veracity of these flashbacks is uncertain.Silentpony said:
On the subject of the Killing Joke, it's worth noting that this film is apparently using it as a source of inspiration (alongside Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and the King of Comedy), and you can certainly see that in the trailer.
I just came here to say this. Nicholson's Joker is a mafia thug that gets a chemical bath and goes crazy. The beauty of the character is that it isn't tied down to a particular background like some others (Dr. Freeze, Ras Al'Ghul and Riddler for example) and can have a backstory that fits well with the particular story being told. That Ledger's Joker lacked a backstory and was just a rogue agent fit well with the theme of the Dark Knight, just as Nicholson's mafia thug on chems worked well for a Joker building a crime empire.Pyrian said:
Am I the only one who wasn't completely disappointed with the Leto version? Like, I get why people hate it, but part of portraying the Joker on film (or any medium) is adding some kind of uniqueness to the character that burns the image in your mind. The character is only half-complete every time a new actor/writer/artist gets their hands on it, which is then filled out by the talent of the new creator. Hamil's is different from Nickleson, and their's are different from Leger and Romero's. Every single one has done something different with the part [https://www.ranker.com/list/best-joker-actors/ranker-entertainment].
As for the Joker movie, I do think that there's evidence to suggest that the "I prefer by past to be multiple choice" is still an option on the table. The look, feel, and apparent plot is very reminiscent of Taxi (and Scorsese and Robert are rumored to be assisting on the project), so you could very well have Taxi playing at the end in the background, making you wonder if he just made everything up...
Not sure if I'll see it, but I do think it is more indicative of WB's willingness to allow quite a bit more artistic freedom with the DC properties than Marvel is.
As for the Joker movie, I do think that there's evidence to suggest that the "I prefer by past to be multiple choice" is still an option on the table. The look, feel, and apparent plot is very reminiscent of Taxi (and Scorsese and Robert are rumored to be assisting on the project), so you could very well have Taxi playing at the end in the background, making you wonder if he just made everything up...
Not sure if I'll see it, but I do think it is more indicative of WB's willingness to allow quite a bit more artistic freedom with the DC properties than Marvel is.
It should be noted that Ledger's version has a quite a bit of evidence that he was ex-military (ala Patton Oswalt [https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/patton-oswalt-joker-origin-story-heath-ledger-dark-knight-1201964845/]), specifically intelligence or EOD, depending on your take. It's a fairly compelling argument, at least from my perspective, but one of the things about the character was that we, at best, could only guess where this manifestation of the madness that was gripping Gotham came from.Gethsemani said:
I actually liked Leto's Joker more than Ledger's ( I know that's tantamount to heresy online). I found that the Mob Boss/ Gang Leader/ War Lord vibe from Leto-Joker was more menacing than Ledger-Joker's crazed, chaotic anarchist and his small army of nutjobs and psychopaths.Tireseas said:
Not sure how I feel about this. This looks like it could be good, but I also like that Joker?s origins are highly speculative; it adds to his appeal as the embodiment of chaos. It?s similar to my issue with the Borg from Start Trek; as my favorite alien race from the series, I liked them better when they were that mysterious, soulless and all-powerful entity that struck immediate fear into the hearts of even the most hardened fleet officers. Then they introduce the Queen, the Hive and Species 8472, and the Borg became simple villains, with weaknesses and betters. Meh.
Given the completely different tones of the films, I think each portrayal was fitting for their role. That said, I?ll always be partial to Ledger?s Joker. Unlike many, I guess I like the grim-dark stuff, and Ledger?s Joker was outright scary in his mania, a genuinely dangerous person, and not merely the stock cackling, egomaniacal villain with a plan and clown gimmick.twistedmic said:
Caught the teaser trailer by accident, and while I didn't hate it, this is, what? The third time in a decade Joker has been rebooted? If there's one thing I'll credit the Marvel films for it's willingness to commit, for better or worse. DC had the best Batman they could have asked for in Christian Bale, and I've honestly been scratching my head at their every decision ever since.
It could be an interesting version of The Joker. Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor and I'm genuinely curious to see where he's gonna take this character, and what they all plan to do with him. Nolan's characters were interesting to me mostly because it was grounded in reality. Superman and other supernatural characters couldn't exist in Nolan's universe. Doing something similar with The Joker alone might be a good idea.
Looked interesting, I hope its more of a character study than an bish bosh comic film. I'll probably not see it in the theatre cause the wife won't care to see it but I'll definitely watch it.
The weird backlash about it being a white male incel fantasy is also hilarious.
The weird backlash about it being a white male incel fantasy is also hilarious.
Never been as hyped about a movie as this one. You know when the director is able to capture the perfect mood. Ever since they revealed they casted Joaquin Phoenix and the first teaser.
I can kind of understand some of the frustration. Not the 'white male incel' part, but more the 'society punished him, therefor he'll punish society' vibe I'm getting from this trailer. Apart from it being kind of an indulgent fantasy for the socially awkward that have a chip on their shoulder, it's just a very overused villain trope.Here Comes Tomorrow said:
I would've found it more interesting if this character was a succesful business man with a loving family who just goes crazy/gives into an insanity that may have always been there. Sort of in a similar vein as American Psycho.
.Casual Shinji said:
Try watching 'Falling down (1993)'. Could be a good fit for what you're looking for.
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I don't like the idea of this, but anything I don't like can be make to be so good that I'd give it a chance and watch it. This looks like something I'll give a chance and watch.