itsthesheppy said:
Just wanted to poke my head in here and suggest that you go commit a crime, and then try to sell the idea that you don't have to recognize the police's authority to arrest you because you don't trust the courts. Except you're not a global celebrity who can sell himself as a political game chip to the highest bidder so I doubt it would go well for you.
Of course it wouldn't go well for me. Besides going into hiding, the police would of course have the manpower to bring me down.
That doesn't mean i can't try if i feel it is the right course of action.
itsthesheppy said:
If a woman tells you she will only have sex with you if you wear a condom and you don't put one on and have sex with her anyway, either under duress or sneakily without her knowing, that's sex without consent and therefor rape. If you have sex with someone who is unconscious, that's rape. Sorry to ruin your weekend.
That's only the allegations of the women in question, and not necessarily what happened.
If you have followed the story from the start - and actually poked a bit in it - you would realize that these women also praised Assange (on Twitter amongst other things) AFTER having sex with him. So apparently there was nothing to regret for them in the start - until later when they decided to both accuse him of rape at the same time, long after the fact.
So the problem is that this story smells already from the start (and I'm not usually one to believe in crazy conspiracies), but the second problem here is that only Assange and the women know what REALLY happened, so if they ever manage to get Assange to court over there, it's going to their word against his, but because of the Swedish rape laws, Assange is pretty much already at a disadvantage, even if he is the one telling the truth in this matter.
itsthesheppy said:
I'm bored by conspiracy theories.
Rape is one of the more common cases being lied about in court (both inside and outside of Sweden), and there are many convicted rapists who today who were innocent, but where the woman decided to call the police anyway. Conspiracy theories and rape cases can very well go hand in hand.
In fact, here in Denmark we had a recent case of 3 boys who were exonerated of rape after spending a year in prison because one of the brothers of the boys managed to get the "victim" to confess that the sex was consentual (and filmed her confession secretly). The boys are now free, and the girl is facing charges of false accusations.
So even if the extradition conspiracy-theory bores you (which still doesn't mean they have to bore the rest of us, including Assange), i can guarentee you that just within the world of rape, they are very relevant. And hell, this happened in Denmark where we have sane rape-laws.
itsthesheppy said:
I think you'll find that most prosecutors will go to great lengths to try and convict suspected rapists. I find it hard to fault them for zeal.
...but on the other hand, you don't find it hard to fault Assange for going to great lengths to try to escape that very zeal?
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Look at the pot calling the kettle black.
itsthesheppy said:
Assange is a self serving little weasel who's putting his own hide and wellbeing above that of the truth. If it's true that he did NOT rape those women, a great hero of honesty should stand up for the truth like a man. I do not respect someone who is only brave when his skin isn't on the line.
Again, just because YOU trust the justice system doesn't mean we have to.
First of all, the "truth" isn't a very relevant parameter. Some countries have ridiculous laws that you might be convicted under, while in every other sane country the thing they were convicted for isn't even a crime. In some countries, for example, homosexuality is a crime (punishable by prison or in severe cases, death). If someone was alleged to be a homosexual and fled his country to escape court, would you also call him a coward for not standing up to the "truth" about his sexuality? For someone who is so busy cursing Assange for being a self-serving little weasel, i doubt you in the situation i just described would have gone to court willingly in the name of truth. The justice system wasn't invented for the truth, they were invented to convict people for breaking LAWS, and laws can be sensible or ridiculous.
But then again, i can't respect someone who is only brave when his skin isn't on the line, so I'll see how you fare the day YOU end up in a similar situation (see what i did there)? I'm sure you won't be bored of conspiracy theories by then.
And yes, i did just compare swedish rape laws to countries outlawing homosexuality. Because both are ridiculous (to a different degree, yes, but they still ARE). I haven't even talked about the extradition in this post yet, and if i had the option, i would have done the same as Assange if i knew i was innocent (which we don't know about Assange, but he knows).
