"Just go watch Porn!" (Probably NFSW, duh)

[Dazzle Novak]

Am I crossing a line by pointing out the OP has made various threads questioning his own tastes in media (i.e. being overly infatuated with ecchi to the detriment of real potential relationships) and attitudes toward women while describing his current romantic prospects as involuntary-celibacy at best, if not outright perma-virgin territory?

I feel like most of us are intuiting the sort of frustrations one in such a position might have, but no one's explicitly stating it. So I will:

If you're using digital/ cartoon women to supplement your lack of a love life, arguably because fake women don't have all those pesky demands and preferences but instead frolick on the beach in naive, cooing obliviousness like mental-children, you may not have an ideal attitude toward women or sex. You may, dare I say, be the sex-negative one if you're repulsed by one of the key components of heterosexual intercourse: living, breathing women.

 

[Dazzle Novak]

I feel like I was being pretty clear that finding real human women, "depressing and frustrating" wasn't a positive thing, but yeah what you said. I think we can extend sympathy and acceptance to people who struggle to relate to the human objects of their affection, but we don't have to pretend that it's healthy either. It's the difference between accepting delusional people, and accepting their delusions.

Sorry, I didn't see your post. I wasn't trying to insinuate I was the only person "keeping it 100"; just noting that a lot of our opinions are being painted by accurate assumptions about the OP that the people shrieking "prude" don't seem to be picking up on.

 

[I can't enter my old name]

Its not that I don't find real women attractive - its just much less depressing and frustrating when its 2D women.

I think that's exactly the kind of complex everyone was picking up on, and reacting to. Putting aside the rest of what you said, you find real live women depressing and frustrating? I'm sorry, really, but that's a problem and not a style or preference.

I love how some people react to others liking ecchi "How dare you!? Get back to your closet!".

Its more that people are purporting that ecchi isn't pornographic in nature. Basically the reasoning appears to be "its there to give you an erection but not to whack off to", which is the weirdest, most meaningless distinction I've heard between the two that isn't even true. Its porn. Its fine, I use porn all the time and have even participated in the creation of it, but pretending its something that it isn't is just plain dishonesty. Its like somebody trying to justify their like of Pacific Rim by saying its writing rivals Shakespeare, that they buy Madden or FIFA every year because its gameplay is unparalleled, that Pokemon Red/Blue being somebody's favourite games in the entire series. No, the truth is as follows: chicks dig giant robots, people like playing as their favourite team and people are nostalgic over it. There's nothing wrong with any of that but just be honest. Pacific Rim isn't ingenious writing, FIFA isn't the best football game on the market and there are much more technically refined Pokemon games on the market than Red/Blue, which had a plethora of issues. Its fine to like the stuff but just be honest. Thats what a lot of folks are calling out, the unwillingness to just admit that something is porn when it is. Its special pleading to try and get it recognized as something else as if like pornography is illegitimate in the first place. You don't need to justify porn, at least not to anybody here. Its fine, almost all of us use it but don't don't pretend like you're above it all.

I'm here to defend OP's tastes. Some people think anime girls are weird, and regular porn is fine. Neither are weird, both are fine.

I don't know why people are arguing about the definition of pornography, but pornography used by the OP is a colloquial one. When someone says "I watch porn", we assume he or she visits porn websites. "Ecchi" on the other hand is used by anime peoples to differentiate between "lots of fanservice maybe with some nudity" and "ero/AV/hentai". The actual definition of pornography is not very helpful in this case, because they are both pornography.

 

[IceForce]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

 

[Something Amyss]

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Criticising someone's taste shouldn't be seen as a personal attack anyway, unless "you have poor taste" is followed by something like "therefore, you're stupid."

Hell, ignoring Guppy's point that nobody seems to care that folks are actually being compared to Hitler and the like, we still have an issue that the people who seem to be most interested in considering this an attack frequently criticise and judge other people's taste in media. Especially as it related to video games. If this really is something that they consider an attack, then maybe they shouldn't do it either.

This sudden opposition to judgment and derision sends the message of "do as I say, not as I do."

 

[IceForce]

Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

Probably because that's not actually an 'argument', per se. It's just a question.

The arguments that the OP *did* attempt to put across were his reasons for liking what he likes. I view them as rather poor reasons, but OP can still like what he likes and it doesn't bother me. (As I said earlier in this thread: Each to their own.)

we still have an issue that the people who seem to be most interested in considering this an attack frequently criticise and judge other people's taste in media. Especially as it related to video games. If this really is something that they consider an attack, then maybe they shouldn't do it either.

Yeah... it's bizarre for sure.

Made even more bizarre by the way that it's usually the "SJWs" who are normally the ones who are accused of constantly finding offense in other people's words and having 'thin skins' and all that jazz.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

Probably because that's not actually an 'argument', per se. It's just a question.

In any case, that's why he made the thread.

The arguments that the OP *did* attempt to put across were his reasons for liking what he likes. I view them as rather poor reasons, but OP can still like what he likes and it doesn't bother me. (As I said earlier in this thread: Each to their own.)

That's all well and good, now what about the people saying he has a complex because they don't like his tastes?

 

[I can't enter my old name]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

OP is not objectively wrong, nor is he making positive statements. He says "I feel its incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves." He never said that all porn is fake and people aren't enjoying themselves. He says from his experience this is the case.

Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

Probably because that's not actually an 'argument', per se. It's just a question.

His argument is why this argument is not persuasive. It may not be an argument in the technical definition, but let me say my argument. Internet porn and ecchi is different. One has a different goal in mind when watching both.

we still have an issue that the people who seem to be most interested in considering this an attack frequently criticise and judge other people's taste in media. Especially as it related to video games. If this really is something that they consider an attack, then maybe they shouldn't do it either.

Yeah... it's bizarre for sure.

Made even more bizarre by the way that it's usually the "SJWs" who are normally the ones who are accused of constantly finding offense in other people's words and having 'thin skins' and all that jazz.

It's because the "SJWs" are finding offense in other people's tastes, and they use flimsy reasoning to justify their beliefs. OP's argument is literally an example.

 

[StatusNil]

StausNil literally comparing everyone criticizing the game to Hitler

Guppy pls, a comparison was made to "zealous cultists" who think everybody is either them or Hitler. Do we have to whip out our respective dictionaries again, this time concerning "literally"?

Not to mention it wasn't "everyone criticizing the game", it was the people who reduce everything to simplistic binaries like "porn" vs. "not porn", and want everything representing the type at its most elementary. "This falls under the category "porn" because the boobies present cross the 'non-sexualized' size threshold and exposure percentage. Yet it shows no close-ups of genitalia, thus FAILING as porn!" That kind of mindset.

Speaking as a Cultural Critic, I'd say this is an example of a tendency a quarantine the erotic into a distinct zone that is forcefully marked as separate from other aspects of culture. Probably a symptom of profound anxieties arising from the alienation inherent in post-Cartesian splitting of the subjective experience and the often debalanced valuation of the constituent elements, resulting from the usual auto-generated biases of perspective.

This, to be sure, is merely a humble overture to stimulate discussion. But it does point to urgent priorities in our analytical mission, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Ikasury]

sooooo... 'porn is boring because no one looks like they're having fun and it seems fake' as well as 'also not pretty/appealing' and 'not into my kink'...

i think that basically explains why i watch hentai if i bother with porn at all... at least then its fucked up and in some way hilarious XD

though harem stuff is just bland...

but yea, sure, if you like DoA for its jiggle physics then why not? its enjoying the view and working with voyeurism, which can lead to more brain-kink later... while regular porn which is JUST mechanical sex... ugh, that's boring and probably a quick way to end any mental-boner...

though i take it the wording is the finicky thing *shrugs* well they can watch their bland porn, i'll go watch my murder by tentacles, kthxbi!

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Well there's shitloads of amateur stuff out there (which is what I generally go for).

Just to point out, a lot of amateur porn is about as authentic: people staging for the camera.

That may be true, but there's something a lot more "real" about 2 people, a camera, and some humpin', than 2+ people, 1 or more cameras, a film crew, multiple takes, shot transitions, etc. etc.

It just seems more genuine.

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Guppy pls, a comparison was made to "zealous cultists" who think everybody is either them or Hitler. Do we have to whip out our respective dictionaries again, this time concerning "literally"?

Actually I did misread (you'll have to forgive me, I was speeding through posts), you were detailing "zealous/cultist progressives" who draw distinctions between themselves and "super Hitler". So while you did feel it was necessary to evoke Hitler to establish your straw man, you did not actually level the distinction at people criticizing the game. I will downgrade your blanket pejorative from "Hitler" to "Cultist".

Not to mention it wasn't "everyone criticizing the game", it was the people who reduce everything to simplistic binaries like "porn" vs. "not porn"

Yes, I do find it very exhausting when people reduce things to simple binaries. For example right thinking individuals like yourself, and the zealous progressive cultists you oppose.

This, to be sure, is merely a humble overture to stimulate discussion.

Thank goodness, because at first read it felt like a bemusingly transparent attempt to obfuscate discussion by pillaging your first year philosophy textbook. I would definitely agree that this thread is revealing of an unusual level of anxiety, but it primarily seems to manifest as the anxiety of people who don't deal well with having their taste in media questioned or criticized.

It's almost as if that's some kind of ongoing theme.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

 

[StatusNil]

Yes, I do find it very exhausting when people reduce things to simple binaries. For example right thinking individuals like yourself, and the zealous progressive cultists you oppose.

Hmm? This isn't about who's "right thinking", that's a vain ambition, and I certainly wouldn't pose as some exemplar myself. The idea is ludicrous, I'm merely MOAR right than one of them zealous cultists because I at least get that.

Thank goodness, because at first read it felt like a bemusingly transparent attempt to obfuscate discussion by pillaging your first year philosophy textbook. I would definitely agree that this thread is revealing of an unusual level of anxiety, but it primarily seems to manifest as the anxiety of people who don't deal well with having their taste in media questioned or criticized.

What's so bemusing about transparency? Anyways, it's obviously a relatively anxiety-free pursuit to question, criticize, and indeed cynically harrumph at, people's taste in media, so maybe we should just all do that, instead of getting caught enjoying something for whatever reason. Though some say such life lacks true zest, at least we'll have the dignity of our sour rectitude.

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

This isn't about who's "right thinking", that's a vain ambition, and I certainly wouldn't pose as some exemplar myself.

I would probably hesitate to fling hostile labels around, in that case. People who live in glass houses, etc, etc.

Anyways, it's obviously a relatively anxiety-free pursuit to question, criticize, and indeed cynically harrumph at, people's taste in media, so maybe we should just all do that, instead of getting caught enjoying something for whatever reason. Though some say such life lacks true zest, at least we'll have the dignity of our sour rectitude.

Yes, because to criticize one thing is to be unable to enjoy anything. If it heartens you to believe that those who dislike Dead or Alive Xtreme are embroiled in "sour rectitude" or are possessed of fundamentalist puritan zeal that is your prerogative, I suppose. Surely there can't be any other, less sensational reasons.

 

[Something Amyss]

That may be true, but there's something a lot more "real" about 2 people, a camera, and some humpin', than 2+ people, 1 or more cameras, a film crew, multiple takes, shot transitions, etc. etc.

It just seems more genuine.

But a good chunk of the pro stuff now looks like that, too. Worse, pizza guys and pool boys have practically been put out of business!