"Just go watch Porn!" (Probably NFSW, duh)

[Ihateregistering1]

SNIP

I'm just confused on what exactly is the issue here. Why do you care that random people on the internet don't like what you like? If they like watching Jenna Haze get gang-banged then that's their thing, and if you like watching anime women with cat ears and 38FF breasts then that's your thing.

It doesn't matter what you like, there will always be people who think it's dumb or a waste of time. So what? Unless it's illegal (or immoral, but that's a whole different topic) just ignore them.

 

[Something Amyss]

I think it's the idea of how obvious it is. I mean, surely you've seen things that you know are scripted, but it doesn't "hit you in the face" with it, if you get what I'm saying?

Yes, both are scripted, but one is blatantly so.

It's preeeeetty freaking obvious. At least in DOAX1. I didn't really even feel the need to play that one, but it was late and peer pressure and stuff. I can't rule out that it was radically changed in DOAX2, but I somehow doubt it. Considering the marketing, I REALLY doubt it. But I'm a fair dictator pervert person, so I'll take a look.

Well, here's the intro....

Spoiler: NSFW

I don't think the argument holds up. That's every bit as obvious/blatant/whatever in my book.

Actually, I think a fair bit of the porn I've watched is more subtle.

OP is literally stressing out because people on the internet are disrespecting jiggly anime girls playing volleyball. This, apparently, is beyond reproach. I'm speechless.

Are you saying jiggly anime girls aren't deserving of respect? I didn't think I'd ever see this kind of prejudice from you, Guppy.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

There's a quote from OotS Tarkin that I think fits what the OP is trying to say about porn vs hentai/ecchi: "This is obviously staged, and more to the point, staged poorly."

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

 

[springheeljack]

Honestly the only times I would think that is when watching an anime or some videogame and end up having a fuck ton of fan service shoved in my face. I think about the reasons for this and wonder why would they keep shoving it in there when people can just watch porn.

 

[SmallHatLogan]

I initially wrote a long winded response to this but it ended up sounding a bit too creepy and passionate about porn, which isn't what I'm about, so I decided against it. It was more that I was a bit baffled about your experience with internet porn. Instead I'll just address two points here.

I mean, I'm a red-blooded male with access to the Internet. I've seen porn. But I don't really like it. I feel its incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves. Add onto that the women in porn for the most part don't...look very good. Like at all.

I agree, professional stuff often feels so, well, sexless. Like they're just going through the motions. You want anime style stuff? Well there's shit loads of hentai out there. You want real people enjoying themselves? Well there's shitloads of amateur stuff out there (which is what I generally go for).

Add on that unless you want to pirate or torrent them the good stuff has cost that is absolutely ridiculous. AND the sites for porn etc. are extremely skeevy and a little unnerving to say the least.

There are countless streaming sites out there that are functionally the same as youtube, and they have pretty much every fetish available. Finding porn is not difficult.

I'm not saying don't play fanservice games. If that floats your boat then by all means have at it. But your description of internet porn sounds like the state it was in about 10 years ago. Things have changed since then.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

No one can be "right" or "wrong" about their personal proclivities, especially in the realm of media consumption.

Which begs the question of what the point was in a thread castigating people for being dismissive of a titty volleyball game. Are they wrong for disliking it?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

No one can be "right" or "wrong" about their personal proclivities, especially in the realm of media consumption.

Which begs the question of what the point was in a thread castigation people for being dismissive of a titty volleyball game. Are they wrong for disliking it?

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

Rather the inevitable result of entering a public space, throwing down your white glove and loudly declaring that everyone who criticized your tastes was stupid and wrong.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

Rather the inevitable result of entering a public space, throwing down your white glove and loudly declaring that everyone who criticized your tastes was stupid and wrong.

He got rough, but like an argument I made recently, he attacks the argument. The responses are attacking him.

 

[Recusant]

First thing's first: a bit of respect for porn, please. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking we'd be having this conversation on the world-wide web with blisteringly fast connections on our computers with multi-terabyte hard drives without the porn market driving the demand for them.

I get what you mean, but I find it funny that you've said you find porn with (presumably) real people "incredibly fake" and prefer a video game that bases its titillation around entirely non-existent (i.e. fake) things.

Yeah, that's the reason why I don't really get the OP's complaint.

Complaining that IRL porn is "too fake" seems like a really odd complaint for someone to have when they immediately turn around say they prefer porn of compltely fake people (as in, people who are not real).

Ah, but there's the rub (no pun intended): it's regular porn that isn't real. Now, I will grant you, the actors are flesh and blood humans, rather than ones and zeroes. But move beyond the subjective for a moment and ask yourself: what's more real to you- a physical person you only see visually displayed in sex scenes, most of which have little or no development or story (yes, some porn does; the typical mass-consumed mainstream stuff does not), or a character whose actions you have some degree of control over, who has some story and experience you're familiar with? I'm not personally familiar with the Dead or Alive games, but haven't there been several previous installments? Enough, perhaps, that a person might feel an emotional investment with a given character? Sure, you're never going to smooch any of them, or physical go on a date with character X, but realistically, you're never going to do that with Jenna Jameson, either.

Above and beyond that, sex and its surrounding zone of activities are complicated, difficult, and time-consuming. Are we really so petty that we begrudge people finding a "not quite as good but it'll do" shortuct?

 

[Superbeast]

Well, here's the intro....

Spoiler: NSFW

I don't think the argument holds up. That's every bit as obvious/blatant/whatever in my book.

Oh wow, I'd never seen the intro before. I've seen less in-your-face/"fan-service" hentai (and "normal" porn).

Thinking about it, I have two major problems with the video: 1) The noises the girls make are really weird - I get they're channelling the anime thing but its a turn-off for me; and 2) BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT! Its an insult to the sexy glory of human anatomy.

 

[Ogoid]

Yes, when confronted by criticism of either oneself or something one likes, it is very typical and tempting to try and cast aspersions upon the source of the criticism. Sure, they're criticizing you, but they're prudes, so it stands to reason. I'd say it's a relatively new cultural phenomenon...IE jump on the whole "participation award" generation slam wagon and pretend that young people need constant approval or their balls drop off...but in reality it's a pretty human thing to do. "Oh, X said a bad thing about me? Well, I'm amazing, so clearly X is stupid." We are, after all, the protagonists in our own life stories.

Well, I'd consider calling someone a "prude" in response to accusations of hating half the human species over something so phenomenally inconsequential as digital boobies not only a remarkably tame retort but a very understandable assumption as well, but again, maybe that's just me.

 

[Mikeybb]

Different strokes for different folks. *snipped the rest*

This is the most appropriate comment for the discussion of porn types, tastes and borderline porn for multiple reasons.
Partly for the message it imparts, mainly because I like the pun.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I think your understanding of sex is severely askew if you think animated fanservice is "more authentic" than a couple of people fucking in front of a camera.

 

[Something Amyss]

Oh wow, I'd never seen the intro before. I've seen less in-your-face/"fan-service" hentai (and "normal" porn).

The exact reason I posed it. XD

Thinking about it, I have two major problems with the video: 1) The noises the girls make are really weird - I get they're channelling the anime thing but its a turn-off for me; and 2) BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT! Its an insult to the sexy glory of human anatomy.

Video games frequently have that problem. Not to harp on Quiet too much, but her boobs are like autonomous creatures trying to escape her bra. But, I mean, this is designed to appeal to a certain demographic, so what do I know?

But move beyond the subjective for a moment and ask yourself: what's more real to you- a physical person you only see visually displayed in sex scenes, most of which have little or no development or story (yes, some porn does; the typical mass-consumed mainstream stuff does not), or a character whose actions you have some degree of control over, who has some story and experience you're familiar with?

First off, that's not moving beyond the subjective. You're asking for someone's subjective feelings on porn.

Second, to answer your question, the fact that I am literally commanding someone intended as an object to get me off is inherently less real to me. It's like asking why I don't think a blowup doll is more real than a woman.

Which begs the question of what the point was in a thread castigating people for being dismissive of a titty volleyball game. Are they wrong for disliking it?

I think a followup is in order in the question of how people who suggest porn have become anti-sex puritans. And, at this point, war is peace, hate is love, and black is white, leading to many deaths at zebra crossings.

Moreover, this is an inferred judgment call. People aren't necessarily judging you by suggesting you watch porn. In fact, it might be a response to the rather histrionic reactions we've seen over a single titty game not being localised into our market. Strange as it seems, most people might not understand why this is a huge deal worthy of dozens of threads and outcry.

...none of this is really aimed at you, your discourse just made me think aboot it. The people indignant at being judged are participating in and have participated in a lot of judgement prior.

Anyway, the message of this thread comes off as insincere, with this idea of "how dare you judge me like I judge other people," which brings up a broader question: why is it okay when "I" do it, but not when it's done to "me?"

Well there's shitloads of amateur stuff out there (which is what I generally go for).

Just to point out, a lot of amateur porn is about as authentic: people staging for the camera.

I'm not saying don't play fanservice games. If that floats your boat then by all means have at it. But your description of internet porn sounds like the state it was in about 10 years ago. Things have changed since then.

I think this is more the end result of making excuses. They don't want to look at "porn," which is fine. There seems to be an unwillingness to cop to the fact that this is how they get off, though.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well, I'd consider calling someone a "prude" in response to accusations of hating half the human species over something so phenomenally inconsequential as digital boobies not only a remarkably tame retort but a very understandable assumption as well, but again, maybe that's just me.

I missed these accusations. Can you point them out?

And while I wait...if they're so inconsequential, why are people so upset they might not have access to them? If you think they're inconsequential, why are five of the posts on your first page alone in topics related to the subject?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Well, I'd consider calling someone a "prude" in response to accusations of hating half the human species over something so phenomenally inconsequential as digital boobies not only a remarkably tame retort but a very understandable assumption as well, but again, maybe that's just me.

Uh. OP made the statement that people said "go watch porn", and were dismissive of the game. I have no idea what this is you're talking about. I imagine you're up on some kind of anti-feminism hobby horse again, because we're talking about a titty game so it's time to go back to war, but I'm not really sure it's applicable to this thread. Let's see. Starting on page one.

No mentions, no mentions, ini-kun complaining about misandry, no mention, no mention, StausNil literally comparing everyone criticizing the game to Hitler, no mention, no mention, no mention, no mention, no mention, OP posting again after two pages of replies and STILL not saying anything about "misogyny", no mention, Amir Kondori starts the "super prudish/sex is evil" bandwagon going, despite literally no one in the thread demonstrating prudishness, no mention, Redd the Sock hopping on the "prudish/sex is evil" bandwagon, no mention, no mention, no mention annnd no mention through the rest of the thread.

A charge of "misogyny" or "women hating" has been invoked ZERO times in this discussion. Man hating has been invoked once. Literally every incident of hysterical name calling or sweeping accusation is labelled above. Feel free to review the thread yourself to confirm. I included Paragon Fury in there not because he made accusations (other than the thread, which is an implicit accusation that people who dislike the game need to have their tastes challenged, but I think we can agree that this is on a different level than "people who dislike it are Hitler") but to confirm just how off-topic some of this commentary has gotten.

The vast majority of conversation has revolved around whether or not the game constitutes porn. Most (almost all) of the people arguing it is have also come out as pro-porn, or at least completely accepting of it. I didn't catch one post blasting pornography conceptually, and yet here we have people screeching about "sex negativity" and "prudes" and you beating the "they called him a misogynist" drum. How is that remotely on topic?

I mean, if you're actually opposed to shit like histrionic cries suggesting someone "hates half the human species", why are you not penning strident replies to ini-kun, who invoked misandry? Or StatusNil, who suggested a wide demographic of people were "Hitler"? Is that an improvement on suggesting a demographic of people is "Isis"? Or do you agree with them, and are actually perfectly fine with such extremity, as long as it's aimed at people you view as political opponents?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Pinups are pornography, period. Playboy, Hustler, etc, its porn.

Just so we're all working with the same definition:

Full Definition of PORNOGRAPHY

1 the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction

There's some very tiresome goal post shuffling in terms of what should or shouldn't be labelled "pornography", apparently being undertaken with the instinctive understanding that "porn is bad, and if we relabel it something else, it will be good". There is nothing inherently bad about "porn", and bending spoons mentally so you can call your porn "erotica" or "ecchi" or "gentle titillation" doesn't make it not porn. It just A) puts it at the genteel end of the pornography spectrum, and B) makes you super insecure about your tastes.

Not you specifically, Mars, just using your post as a jumping off point. Don't mind me!

 

[I can't enter my old name]

OP I get you.

The difference between ecchi and internet pornography, is that the latter's purpose is masturbatory aid. It is simply a means for sexual release by causing high levels of arousal to do so. Most porn on the internet is just random people having sex for masturbation, and this is sometimes what people aren't looking for.

Ecchi on the other hand is not for releasing sexual tension (unless you were really desperate). Its purpose is to titillate the viewer to lead to arousal, but not necessarily enough motivation to do you know what. This is something akin to having a beautiful woman on the beach flirting with you. There is a little arm touching, a few quick glances, but nothing that escalates into sexual activity. Then there is a social aspect to it. As humans, we are attracted to people with similar personalities and behaviors. A lot of ecchi manga, anime, and games are long enough to have character development. Watching a 13 episode ecchi series about something like monster girls makes us know the characters intimately, which makes it more likely for viewers to crush on one of them or have shipping wars.

In this case, this is fulfilling more than just sexual gratification. It is fulfilling the romantic love, or the monogamous pair-bonding side. Fanservice in these things is not only for the viewer's titillation, but also invokes feelings of shyness or bashfulness, which is inherent in early relationships. It increases intimacy. It is not wank material. Something like DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball (which I have not played) is like a dating sim. That's the difference between this and internet porn.

It's not about different strokes for different people in porn or weird 2D/3D girl fetishes, but what people are seeking from it.

 

[JamesStone]

I'm not sure I understand the premise. You're saying that internet porn doesn't turn you on as much as video game porn? If that's the case, then just go download some porn mods for Skyrim or something.

Actually, yeah, that's a point. Why is it that nude mods are so popular when there's porn everywhere?

Mind you, I like mods, even pointless ones that may or may not work very well. Even if it's a skin that looks worse than the original, then it's a choice of something different.

That's actually the exact counter of the point. Speaking as someone who wants their "realistic immersive" games to be as expansive as possible (which is to say I like to get immersed in a world and if the characters love each other they should probably fuck once in a while), I speak from experience when I say the nude mods are nothing but the gateway to porn. The people who do animations aren't usually very good with modeling in the mod community and vice-versa, and the nude mods are one of the first things to come out (as a sort of "tease" for times to come), so you need to install a nude mod if you actually want the "sex" mod you installed to have any point whatsoever.


As for the OP, I agree with the "just watch porn" crowd, and DOAX's marketing makes my entire argument.