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springheeljack

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Yeah put me in the camp that just really finds fan service boring and really intrusive especially in shows that are very dramatic and are dealing with some intense shit. Take Muv Luv alternative the anime series. It has a lot going for it the first episode is wonderfully intense and yet a lot of it is ruined by just a huge amount of just obnoxious fan service that is thrown in. I don't like that shit being in a serious story not that it has to be serious all the time but it feels wrong to have that stuff in a show where the first episode shows people being torn apart by aliens.
 

Paragon Fury

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IceForce said:
Paragon Fury said:
I...was thinking of making another post, but you guys seemed to have turned my thread into a free-for-all here.
Well, you could start by explaining this:
Paragon Fury said:
sexy time isn't happening for me unless I'm the last man standing,
What makes you say this? (Bearing in mind that misanthropy and self-pity are usually huge turn-offs where women are concerned, which effectively turns the above attitude into a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.)
Well, I say it because its largely true. I don't have the looks, charm or money to be attractive to women. I also don't have a car and don't want children, which in the US are two incredibly huge negatives.

Add onto that I'm not willing to just go for ANY woman willing to give me the time of day. AND I won't deal with a smoker, which is a bit of a problem in my area.

For the final touch add my general social anxiety and the fact that this is my brain in the presence of a woman in a non-professional setting;


Yeah.
 

Chris Moses

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Ihateregistering1 said:
I don't know if it's so much dismissal as just not getting the exact appeal of some of these things. The DOAX series are a good example: I don't think I've ever met anyone who considered the little mini-games and volleyball simulator to be so damn good that it was worthy of a $60 purchase, so what possible other appeal can the game have? Oh that's right: hot busty cartoon women in bikinis.

But even not talking about porn, that makes little sense. I can hop onto Youtube right now and watch 1000 different bikini contests. If anime girls are your thing, I could easily find thousands of videos of busty anime or cartoon girls. And again, all of this is FREE. So what possible motivation does someone have to pay that kind of money for something that is available essentially for free all over the place? Don't get me wrong, if you want to buy the DOAX games then feel free, but I can't say that I understand it.

Paragon Fury said:
Add onto that the women in porn for the most part don't...look very good. Like at all.
You must have seen a bunch of really bad porn or not watched much of it. Even people I know who vehemently hate porn will admit that a lot of the actresses are gorgeous (though by no means all). Not to mention that there are so many porn actresses out there covering just about every body type and ethnicity imaginable that you'd be hard pressed not to find at least a couple you'd find attractive.
First of all let me preface my post with saying that I am gay and thus have no sexual (or otherwise) interest in DOAX.

But, let's say that someone finds the girls on DOAX perfect. Then, you don't have to spend hours searching Youtube for anything. Sure you can find 1,000's of videos but are they good videos? Plus, you get to interact with the girls in DOAX. You can't interact with porn or other videos.

Secondly, and this may be something of a shock, but I like straight porn, too. Or, I should say, "I like the idea of straight porn". The problem is that I have the damnedest time finding GOOD porn especially for free. And, before you say it, I have seen LOTS of porn. Name a free site and chances are I have been there already.

The problem with free sites, as I see them, are-
bad acting (even in "amature" porn) from one or both of the actors
Poor image quality
slow bandwidth that makes the videos take too long to load or buffer in the middle
one or both of the actors are ugly/skeevy
they usually treat the woman like a piece of trash and do everything they can to demean, humiliate, and belittle her
searching for hours to find the one video that doesn't have one of the above problems
they are usually plastered with adds that range from annoying/distracting to downright off putting

I keep hearing about this glorious utopia of free porn full of smoking hot actors and actresses, but I haven't seen it and am skeptical that it really exists, so if you know of a site that doesn't have the above problems then please share it.

Here, let me make it easier by listing the sites I remember visiting- Xtube, Porn Hub, XNXX, You Porn, Tube8, Red Tube, Xvideos, and Xhamster. Bear in mind that some of these sites were recommended to me after complaining about the above problems and I still wasn't satisfied.
 

SweetShark

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Chris Moses said:
Here, let me make it easier by listing the sites I remember visiting- Xtube, Porn Hub, XNXX, You Porn, Tube8, Red Tube, Xvideos, and Xhamster. Bear in mind that some of these sites were recommended to me after complaining about the above problems and I still wasn't satisfied.
Moses, please guide me where I can find better quality Porn in the Wild?

For the other people, please ignore me. I am just passing.
 

Callate

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BloatedGuppy said:
I also find it bizarre that it's the "critics of the game are sex-negative puritans" crowd who keep insisting "porn" is an inherently loathsome designation (I'm not including you in that, by the way). I find this to be a confusing assertion, particularly given the average age and gender of this forum. I'd anticipate an overwhelmingly "porn friendly" if not "porn enthusiastic" attitude. And yet it's being treated like a default insult. Possibly in part because such people are swift to find insults everywhere, but I digress.

I mean for heavens sake this is a culture and a generation that appends "porn" to random things to make them sound desirable. Earth porn. Food porn. Ear porn.

"Your game looks a bit porny."
"HOW DARE YOU."

Like I said, I'm confused.
Interesting points.

It's sort of funny that, in the past thirty years, even the things that everyone agrees are pornography have become something very different. I read with a sort of disbelief that at one time A-list celebrities were openly going to watch Deep Throat. With the VCR, pornography became cheaper and easier to view in private. Now, with the Internet, anyone who wants to make pornography can do so, and people who are in to nearly every niche and fetish can find something that appeals to them.

...And it's mostly free. And major porn companies are putting out PSAs saying "C'mon, guys! The tube sites don't love you like we do!" And Playboy is going PG-13.

Pornography is almost an open secret. One might sheepishly- or defiantly- state, "Yeah, I watch pornography. What of it?" And do so in some confidence that in many places there will be at least some people who will back you up, probably because they, too, watch pornography and don't want to be shamed for it.

But at the same time, viewing pornography remains a private and often embarrassing activity, one linked to masturbation. It often comes with an unspoken association that if the viewer was a more successful kind of person, they would be having actual sex rather than hunting through video clips. And given the broad array of fetishes available, it may also imply that the viewer privately has a kink or fetish that they aren't as quick to fess up to.

(Just as an aside, I'm also aware that some couples watch pornography together as part of their mutual sex lives. Regardless, the implications endure.)

I think when we mention "food porn" (...gun porn, ear porn, etc...) what we imply is that the subject of the term has an innate and visceral appeal, especially to devotees of the subject, that's difficult to deny. But even there, there's often a hint of embarrassment: "That looks so tasty, but I know it would be bad for me." "The action was so frenetic I was laughing and shaking in my seat in excitement...! Too bad I had to turn off my brain whenever anyone opened their mouth." "The rhythm and the hook were so insidious that the song was over before I was reminding myself that I was rocking out to one more over-produced manufactured hit machine." This isn't always the case, certainly, but I think that at best the descriptor "porn" implies that one area of sensual quality overwhelms all other considerations.

So, tying all this back in...

I will confess that I've never played one of the Dead or Alive volleyball games. I've never particularly loved the game of volleyball in real life, computer games, or as a spectator sport (like many sports, to me it seems like the occasional amazing play surrounded by a lot of rote patterns.) The reviews I've read have suggested to me that the game itself wasn't one I'd especially enjoy.

But I can still understand how one might, as an admirer of such a game, feel a certain resentment that something they admired was dismissed not merely as pornography, but ineffective pornography- that it had only a single area of merit and that it failed to deliver on it. Maybe I enjoy the light-heartedness of the enterprise. Maybe I'm really invested in these characters. Maybe I appreciate a setting that encourages me to ogle pretty girls without judgement.

...Or maybe I really am using the game as masturbatory fodder and simply don't like feeling like I'm being called out on it.

I guess I think the bottom line is that terming something "pornography", even in what appears to be a relatively sex-positive (or porn-positive) setting still carries with it certain implications, and even stigma.
 

IamLEAM1983

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I'm not exactly attracted to fanservice games. In my experience, these titles tend to skimp on the gameplay or the robustness of their control scheme or even on their base mechanics - all in favor of focusing on the mammaries. A friend of mine, on the other hand, has the right mindset to sit down, shut up and enjoy moderately janky games because boobies. It's his right, just as it's mine to just sit by the sidelines, feelingly increasingly uncomfortable as the gaming sesh goes on. I've tried the Onechanbara series after being coaxed, and I've grudgingly used his handheld to at least get a sense of what the fuck it is Senran Kagura actually is.

To me, the DoA series as a whole - beach volleyball entries included - tends to veer in that direction. I'm never satisfied with the way characters control or the way recovery times barely allow for counter-combos. The combat games feel slow and plodding because the focus is on the female characters posing - and at the same time, there's a huge lack of blending between animations. Okay, so I was good with Christie Monteiro the last time I took her for a spin, but she's so cringeworthy on the eyes I have a hard time appreciating my rare victories. I don't mean that her model sucks, it's more a case of the bouncy-castle boobs and terrible FPS just ruining it for me.

The volleyball games have the same overall problem. The Xtreme series goes even further, since it packs each disc with nonsensical pool games designed to titillate while offering more points that can be invested towards unlocking MORE titillating outfits. There's no real gameplay to the series, to the point where I figure Team Ninja could stop giving a fuck and just pack one huge Gallery Mode on disc that people would still rush to buy it.

Another friend of mine is an animator by trade, and he's a bit closer to my own opinion. Team Ninja's bouncy glands make no sense on the anatomical level, unless you're fine with young girls and young women with usually lithe spinal structures shouldering the weight of these sloshing monstrosities.

My pro-boobs friends just tells me to suspend my disbelief, but I just can't. Not when I can play better games and enjoy more interesting examples of the female form. Plastic bodies do it a lot less for me than finding the right mixture of physical beauty and intellectual titillation.

In other words, I usually get off collaborating with some of my old postgrad colleagues. Smart is very, very sexy.
 

Weaver

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There's an amazing art to titillation and an amazing fun to it, too. As someone who has seen his share of burlesque shows there's so, so much more to sex than, well, sex.

If the range of these people's understanding of sex is a binary "having sex, not having sex" I more just feel sorry for them as they just will never be able to understand the fun of something in between.
 

BarrelsOfDouche

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Is this British porn you're watching or something?

There are just as many beautiful porn models as there are subjective opinions about what we find beautiful.

Eye. Beholder. All that jazz.
 

Paragon Fury

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WinterWyvern said:
tf2godz said:
When people say "Just go watch Porn!" it's not because the entertainment piece has fan service, it's because to them it has nothing else besides that. The reason the DOA beach ball games gets this criticism is because that's literally the only enjoyable thing a lot of people can get out of it. why not just go online and get off of random anime art you can find on Google in about 5 seconds than paying $60 for a bland volleyball game. Something like bayonetta or the main series DOA games have more to them than just fan service. that's why they bring up that argument and for this game in particular.

I was going to reply to this thread.... but this answer above here pretty much sums up the point I was going to make.

I'm also amazed by the ridiculous amount of publicity a crappy, mediocre game like DOA Volleyball 3 is getting.
I would like to point out that you can't really call something "crappy" AND "mediocre" at the same time - that is two competing things for the same kind of description.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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Personally I've given up all media that's designed exclusively for masturbation since my girlfriend has, um, captured my imagination in a more gratifying way. Titillation can only sustain you so long. Genuine emotional attachment is a more powerful aphrodisiac. :D
 

jademunky

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Paragon Fury said:
That maybe its the fact that its not actually porn that makes people like it?
No, not for even a second. Seriously, I am not even a fan of fighting games and I can say that the DOA genre is subpar. (cant say anything for their volleyball simulation, maybe it is a transcendant and world-altering gaming experience). It just seems that the whole series is just banking on boobs alone to sell itself.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
BloatedGuppy said:
I hear ya. I don't think I can express it any better, but there's definitely a need for more "real" relationships and attraction in video games. I've realized that my top 3 characters and top 3 characters I'd like to sleep with are the same. It's not because of their jiggling junk. One of them never even takes his shirt off.

SweetShark said:
Moses, please guide me where I can find better quality Porn in the Wild?
And then SweetShark heard a voice saying "acquaint yourself with IMDb keywords [http://www.imdb.com/search/keyword?keywords=unsimulated-sex]".