Just watched Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone again, and wow...

[Dags90]

You're right. Fred and George made bets with...someone...can't remember who...that Krum would catch the Snitch but Ireland would win.

Wasn't it Ludo Bagman? It was some minor character who's major trait was gambling.

That's what happens in every fictional sports match ever, the only difference with Quidditch is that it's built into the rules. It does make every position other than snitch-catcher (or whatever it was called) hilariously pointless though...

It's the Seeker. All the positions follow the same language: Beater, Chaser, Seeker, Keeper. And it isn't insta-win, as explained by others. Each goal is worth 10 points, so catching the snitch is the same as scoring 15 goals.

 

[Liudeius]

You need to read the book and not watch the movie?
But it was because Snape had been needlessly removing points constantly.
Of course Slytherin gets so much crap from everyone else anyway. I guess they segregate all the douchebags to one house?

Actually catching the Snitch (by the way I'd have loved if there was an unseen typo in the script) only lets 150 points, while scoring with the bludger nets 10. A team was 150 points behind and caught the snitch, only for the opposing team to score once more with the bludger and win by 10 points.

*pushes glasses to forehead*

Quaffle, not bludger. The bludgers are for hitting people.

Why do they let students try to knock each other off of their brooms 100 feet in the air?

 

[DEAD34345]

That's what happens in every fictional sports match ever, the only difference with Quidditch is that it's built into the rules. It does make every position other than snitch-catcher (or whatever it was called) hilariously pointless though...

It's the Seeker. All the positions follow the same language: Beater, Chaser, Seeker, Keeper. And it isn't insta-win, as explained by others. Each goal is worth 10 points, so catching the snitch is the same as scoring 15 goals.

Seeker, that's the one, thanks.

Also yeah, the other teams "technically" have a purpose, but isn't there only one match in the entire series of books that isn't won just by catching the snitch? Even in that one match, the only difference was that the seeker had to wait for the team to get a few goals before catching it. That's the only match I can remember where the rest of the team had any effect, anyway.

 

[Caffeine Rage]

I think the guys at Rifftrax hit the nail it right on the head with their riff, "From the deus ex machina category". I think it went like that.

It just seemed to me to be very sloppy writing that just didn't fit in with everything else. It really should have been handled better. Which, I'm sure I'm going to get hate for that view point.

 

[HumpinHop]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

EDIT: I'll just leave this here, actually.

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6099253/jk-rowlings-deleted-harry-potter-character

Actually catching the Snitch (by the way I'd have loved if there was an unseen typo in the script) only lets 150 points, while scoring with the bludger nets 10. A team was 150 points behind and caught the snitch, only for the opposing team to score once more with the bludger and win by 10 points.

*pushes glasses to forehead*

 

[Alar]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

EDIT: I'll just leave this here, actually.

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6099253/jk-rowlings-deleted-harry-potter-character

Hahahaha, yes. That article was... wow. That was perfect.

It is a bit silly, but sometimes a bit of suspension of disbelief is required with these. Why didn't they just tell the military about Voldemort? Hell if I know.

 

[TheEvilCheese]

Sorcerer's stone?
Good sir I think you will find that is not the title of said film.[sub]sorry, just annoys me when the name is changed for same-language localisation [/sub]

Anyway, yeah, It was a dick move Slytherin totally deserved that one. Not like most of their house points came from Snape being horribly biased or anything.

 

[Thaius]

Really, the points given to the three protagonists and Neville were just excuses to give it to Gryffindor since they kind of managed to delay the return of the lord of all evil, as opposed to Malfoy who was generally being a jerk and, if anything, trying to stop them from stopping Voldemort. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional. But yes, I see what you mean; the first one had some sloppy plotting and cliches here and there, but I was impressed at how Rowling managed to take the biggest one of all ("You were saved by love, Harry") and actually turn it into a workable plot device and integral part of the mythos. That was freaking brilliant.

But as for what you said about Order of the Phoenix, no. Just no. As of that book, the Ministry of Magic was no less the bad guy than the death eaters; Slytherin was rightfully painted as the antagonists for working with them.

 

[Casual Shinji]

What I never get is why Ron had to remain seated on the knight during that wizard's chess bit. Wouldn't that fucking thing have moved on it's own anyway?

But I never liked Harry Potter anyway for one simple reason; Everyone's a wizard. And as good old Syndrome from The Incredibles will tell you, "When everyone's super, no one will be."

 

[Dags90]

Seeker, that's the one, thanks.

Also yeah, the other teams "technically" have a purpose, but isn't there only one match in the entire series of books that isn't won just by catching the snitch? Even in that one match, the only difference was that the seeker had to wait for the team to get a few goals before catching it. That's the only match I can remember where the rest of the team had any effect, anyway.

The total scoring is important on its own though, the total score tally (or maybe the difference) is used to decide who goes on in tournaments in some not-particularly-fleshed-out-fashion. So it's possible to catch the snitch, win the game, and knock yourself out from the rest of the tournament if you catch it without enough of a lead. Oliver Wood mentions it at some point.

 

[Chaos James]

Actually catching the Snitch (by the way I'd have loved if there was an unseen typo in the script) only lets 150 points, while scoring with the bludger nets 10. A team was 150 points behind and caught the snitch, only for the opposing team to score once more with the bludger and win by 10 points.

*pushes glasses to forehead*

Actually you score points with the Quaffle by the three Chasers, not the Bludgers, which are enchanted to fly around and ram the Quidditch (and are countered by the Beaters who use bats).

 

[DEAD34345]

The total scoring is important on its own though, the total score tally is used to decide who goes on in tournaments in some not-particularly-fleshed-out-fashion. So it's possible to catch the snitch, win the game, and knock yourself out from the rest of the tournament if you catch it without enough of a lead. Oliver Wood mentions it at some point.

Yep, and that's what I think happened in the one match I mentioned. It doesn't change the fact that usually, most of the players are completely unnecessary to win a match. It also doesn't change the fact that the seeker scores more than his entire team single-handedly (in all the matches I can remember). If that isn't an extremely stupid set of rules for a sport, then I don't know what is.

Then again, I doubt JK really put all that much thought into it, so I'm just over-analysing unimportant things as I tend to do.

 

[HumpinHop]

Actually catching the Snitch (by the way I'd have loved if there was an unseen typo in the script) only lets 150 points, while scoring with the bludger nets 10. A team was 150 points behind and caught the snitch, only for the opposing team to score once more with the bludger and win by 10 points.

*pushes glasses to forehead*

Actually you score points with the Quaffle by the three Chasers, not the Bludgers, which are enchanted to fly around and ram the Quidditch (and are countered by the Beaters who use bats).

Ah.

I see...

*glasses fall down to bridge of nose*

 

[imnot]

Sorcerers stone?
wut?

Im pretty sure its because they, y'know saved the world
(For a few books anyway)

 

[Neverhoodian]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

This. I've never understood why a supposedly reputable school allows all the troublemaking dickheads to essentially band together and run amuck.

Hell, the very idea of splitting up everyone into different "houses" has always rubbed me the wrong way. All it does is promote animosity amongst the students and favoritism by the instructors.

 

[Bearjing]

Slytherin House just got robbed.

What kind of crap was that?
Hermione got 50 points for being smart
Ron got 50 points for being good at chess.
Harry got 60 points for being nice.
Neville got 10 points for standing up to his housemates; trying to keep them from breaking the rules?

The worst thing we saw from Slytherin was Draco being snobby and informing the faculty of Gyffindor students being out past curfew.

Gryffindor had no right in winning the House Cup. No wonder members of Slytherin House ended up so 'rotten'. They played by the rules and should have won, but had that victory taken from them by a bunch of troublemakers. Even worse in Order of the Pheonix members of Slytherin are working with the Ministry of Magic and are still perceived to be the villains.

Yeah, 170 house points for saving the world. That's way too much. they should have gotten detention. /sarcasm
I mean really, congrats, good troll, but crap. They stopped Voldemort from becoming immortal, they deserve the house cup. Also, if you will recall, they lost 200 points for being up late because they were trying to save hagrid's dragon(that's from the book, but they used the same point totals. So, they really should have won to begin with.

Actually they almost CAUSED Voldemort to come back. Voldemort wasn't able to get the stone from the mirror, it was harry who got it for him. If he had just stayed in bed all would of been safe and hell the teachers and Dumbledore might of been able to of captured Voldemort instead.

 

[DrunkDonut]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

EDIT: I'll just leave this here, actually.

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6099253/jk-rowlings-deleted-harry-potter-character


ANOTHER ONE: OK, yes, I know. The snitch is not technically an AUTOMATIC win, it IS worth a ridiculous amount of points, especially when all the other balls score a mere 10 points.

Thank you so so much that really did make my day and cheer me up
Sorry it was off topic that

 

[Dags90]

Yep, and that's what I think happened in the one match I mentioned. It doesn't change the fact that usually, most of the players are completely unnecessary to win a match. It also doesn't change the fact that the seeker scores more than his entire team single-handedly (in all the matches I can remember). If that isn't an extremely stupid set of rules for a sport, then I don't know what is.

Then again, I doubt JK really put all that much thought into it, so I'm just over-analysing unimportant things as I tend to do.

Nah, the match you mentioned was the World Cup Final. In the final round, the winner is the winner.

But before the final round, it's suggested that how much you win by is used to decide who goes onto the next round. So even if you win the match by 40 points for catching the Snitch, you might not go on to the next round if everyone else has done better.

That would help even things out for tournaments, and I guess you could always change the rules a bit for scrimmage matches. The Seeker might decide most of the individual match wins, but the Chasers and Keepers decide who goes on to the next round by allowing for larger score differences. And the Beaters just add chaos and broken body parts.

This. I've never understood why a supposedly reputable school allows all the troublemaking dickheads to essentially band together and run amuck.

Hell, the very idea of splitting up everyone into different "houses" has always rubbed me the wrong way. All it does is promote animosity amongst the students and favoritism by the instructors.

Slytherins' main quality is ambition, that most of them let their ambitions turn them into jerkfaces is incidental. And my public middle school split the kids up into different "Houses" and had done so before the Potter series. The idea was to make it easier to make friends, the "houses" would have more classes together. So you'd see the same group of people more than once a day. It was also widely accused of being an academic tracking program, too.

 

[NickCooley]

Most of the points came from Snape playing favourites anyway. A recurring thing through the book is that he gives Slytherin points like they were sweets, I think he also docked Hermione points in one book for being a know it all.

So yeah, fuck Slytherin.

 

[brunothepig]

I'm still stuck on them having an entire house devoted to people that are pretty much ALWAYS future psychopaths and everyone's just OK with it.

And how about Quidditch? ONE BALL wins the game? Who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea? So even if the entire is amazing at the sport, as long as the opposing team has ONE good player they can still win, even if the rest of their team sucks? How is that balanced? How is that fair?

EDIT: I'll just leave this here, actually.

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6099253/jk-rowlings-deleted-harry-potter-character

Wrong and wrong. Most members of Slytherin don't turn evil, but when a dark wizard shows up you just know they were from Slytherin, if they went to Hogwarts anyway. It's likely the Sorting Hat's fault, he does sort based on traits, Slytherin's are just prone to evil. But what are they supposed to do anyway? Lock children up because they might one day do bad things? Hell, this way they know who to keep an eye on, and they don't pretend nothings wrong, in the seventh book when Hogwarts is attacked the Slytherin students are locked in the dungeons for the battle. As for the Quidditch comment, you're just totally wrong, and I have no idea where everyone keeps hearing this. Do they actually say that in the movie? I know Daniel Radcliffe actually thinks that is the rule, which is so pathetic. Anyway, the team that catches the snitch gets an extra 150 points, and the game ends. Hell, in the Quidditch world cup Ireland wins despite Bulgaria catching the snitch, because Ireland were up 160 points.

As for the topic. Two things. One, Snape is constantly taking points from every other house at every opportunity and awarding Slytherin with points for no reason. Two, you do realise those four kids just saved the world right? I mean, not entirely, but they protected it certainly. In fact, if Voldemort came back that early, Dumbledore's plan might even have fallen through, so they did a pretty damn good job. Why begrudge them a trophy?