Let's see, what is the last Japanese made game I liked enough to buy? Dark Souls! So, I guess as long as they keep churning out more DS games I'll be happy. ^^
K, so, japanese game devs hate us now?
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Japanese developers don't hate the west, they've simply accepted that we're not going to bother with crappy traditional JRPG's anymore.
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil
Dark Souls
The Last Guardian
Lollipop Chainsaw
... Bring 'm on in. But they can keep their shitty turn-based shenanigans.
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil
Dark Souls
The Last Guardian
Lollipop Chainsaw
... Bring 'm on in. But they can keep their shitty turn-based shenanigans.
There is a good deal of talk about Dark Souls, it is just we don't bother with the kusoge from Idea Factory.nikki191 said:
Funny how nobody ever bothers to, you know, learn some damn Japanese? If you want the games so badly, you have only two choices.
1) Get off your arse and learn Japanese. Which isn't even a difficult language to learn.
or
2) Sit around, twiddling your thumbs doing nothing except occasionally posting a thread on a random forum the Japanese can't or don't bother reading, complaining about the lack of Japanese games.
You want to prove to the Japanese that we are a viable market in the west? Then get to importing those games. Just expect your wallet to be emptied once you cross over to this side. Trust me, they don't call Namco Scamco for no reason.
1) Get off your arse and learn Japanese. Which isn't even a difficult language to learn.
or
2) Sit around, twiddling your thumbs doing nothing except occasionally posting a thread on a random forum the Japanese can't or don't bother reading, complaining about the lack of Japanese games.
You want to prove to the Japanese that we are a viable market in the west? Then get to importing those games. Just expect your wallet to be emptied once you cross over to this side. Trust me, they don't call Namco Scamco for no reason.
yes, we're generic because we don't have games with angst filled teenagers(who look like they stuck there fingers in electric sockets and dyed there hair neon-whatever) who go and have turn based fighting.s69-5 said:
Yes because games like Pyschonauts, MineCraft, Max Payne,
Soul Reaver, and StarCraft are missing that Japanese essence(which includes,but not limited to, cut scenes so long you'd think your watching a movie). /sarcasm
Strategy games are not inferior to more action-y, real time games.Casual Shinji said:
If anything, strategy is what the Japanese RPG excels at. So much that they have inspired the West to create several jRPGs of the S/TRPG variety. Strategy RPGs are every bit as good as the RTS. Because actually allowing you to have turn based combat allows you the proper time to think and carry out each move step by step. You're not allowed the same amount of finite control over combat in the RTS as the TRPG. Not saying the RTS is inferior, or anything, the the SRPG is every bit as good of an attempt at the strategy game as the RTS, and both are good parts of strategy gaming.
Speaking of which, look forward to Territoire. It is easily EasyGameStation's most ambitious project(the folks who brought you Recettear), and will likely be one of the best indie titles out of Japan or anywhere in years.
Thank you.s69-5 said:
NEET is an originally UK term that is now quite popular in Japan. A NEET, not to be confused with Hikkikomori, stands for Not in Education, Employment or Training. It's basically the equivalent of a welfare leech that sits at home playing games and wasting the government's or even worse, their own parent's money on food and figurines.Vault101 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET
Instead, we have buzz-cut muscle shooter (in space or ww2 or modern warfare) #1, #2, #3, #4, etc, who don't have feelings or emotions or try to express them, cause they're hard core!Volf99 said:
Or medival chainmail clad muscleman #1, #2, #3, #4 who doesn't have feelings or emotions or try to express them, cause cause they're hard core!
of course, that's not all america has to offer (even if it is majority), but the point is, two can play at that game.
Drakengard, Nier Gestalt, Tales of Vesperia, Devil May Cry, and more show that not every japanese character is "angsty" (which isn't angst as much as it is just emotions. Kinda like how Roxas from kh2 is "angsty" because he's appropriately angry and emotional about
his ENTIRE EXISTANCE BEING RIPPED AWAY FROM HIM
Gamers: If you don't like JRPG's, you're probably a 12 year-old, nationalistic COD fan.TehCookie said:
All I know is that FF Type-0 is coming and it's gonna be awesome, turn-based or not. It's coming, right?
I feel you but dont worry about it, there not really dying there just not coming over here. JRPGS are still strong. I've been playing imports since like the late 90s. Just import that shit and your good EZ PZ. Theres always tons of fan translations that are somtimes better then the officail, or you may have a friend who grew up in japan like i do who translates for ya lol.LilithSlave said:
Just dont get irritated man, import and your life will be zen. Jrpgs for life
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ahh that makes sense (and an "offical" term as well)VanQQisH said:
at least I can justify my living space looking like the comicbook guys house if he had kleptomania...in that I have a job and its all paid for by me
otherwise I wouldnt be able to live wiht myself
Money.Shia-Neko-Chan said:What's going on lately? Japan's support for the overseas market is dwindling, lately. Is this how it's going to be from now on?
I was really looking forward to Tales of Xillia back when I'd first heard about it around a year or two ago, but they don't seem to actually be planning on releasing it here, despite it being out and outselling Final Fantasy in Japan a long time ago!
Also, they completed Tales of Vesperia with all the characters and stuff, but they never brought it here.
It reminds me of the phoenix wright series. Already there are two entries to the series that aren't being brought here.
Square seemingly rarely brings things that aren't Final Fantasy here from Japan anymore. Things like Dragon Quest or Blood of Bahamut or Sigma Harmonics...
What gives? :|
It's just not profitable for them to bring the games over, so they don't. The target audience is just too small.
I have a theory.
A lot has changed over the past decade or so. In the past, games were simpler, technology restricted gameplay and artistic detail. So the kind of games you can create were limited and audiences just took what they could get.
With the improvement in tech, the kind of gameplay possible and the amount of detail that can be put into a game increased a lot. It's now possible to tune gameplay and art more specifically to an audience.
Due to difference in culture, the Japanese developers probably feel they can't compete with US developers on their home turf when it comes to tune content for the US market. They are not American, so they don't know how you guys think. All this is reflected in their balance sheets. While some like Capcom (Resident Evil) and Sega (Binary Domain) are trying their hand at American style games, most of the small developers can't afford to do so, so they just stop trying and just focus on the home market instead.
Simply put, it isn't the 90s anymore.
In such a case, you might as well play a WRPG.gyrobot said:
I am ashamed of all who seem to only mention JRPG when talking about Japan's games
Like the above guy mentioned they do OTHER games,not just ''generic fantasy [roman numeral]''
Americas biggest fighting game''Mortal Kombat''only exists because SF2 was booming back then
Japan also executed the third person shooter extremely well(RE4),Gears happened,which was topped by Vanquish for me
For me vanquish was the best 3rd person shooter ive played,it perfectly showed with the slide feature that high mobility more than makes up for lack of static cover
Then theres is Devil May Cry,which brought forth the(very QTE heavy) GoW series
Japan did more than,according to you,the''generic angsty teen JRPG''
#now know your place
Also Platinum Games
enough said
Like the above guy mentioned they do OTHER games,not just ''generic fantasy [roman numeral]''
Americas biggest fighting game''Mortal Kombat''only exists because SF2 was booming back then
Japan also executed the third person shooter extremely well(RE4),Gears happened,which was topped by Vanquish for me
For me vanquish was the best 3rd person shooter ive played,it perfectly showed with the slide feature that high mobility more than makes up for lack of static cover
Then theres is Devil May Cry,which brought forth the(very QTE heavy) GoW series
Japan did more than,according to you,the''generic angsty teen JRPG''
#now know your place
Also Platinum Games
enough said
Exactly, people will more likely to look more leniently at a M Rated Game which attempts to exercise as much creative freedom as possible than some T rated JRPG. So for Final Fantasy to gain some of it's appeal back. It needs to be more like a dark fantasy and aim for the M Rating. I don't care how, just earn that rating sincerely and the reviewers will grovel at your feet again.LtFerret said:
I think it's simple. When it comes to Final Fantasy, it doesn't need an M rating, actually. It needs an antagonist that instills fear the way Sephiroth or Kefka did back then.
They need someone like that. Someone who is as sinister as the older antagonists. Someone you feel could take down the main characters at any moment for most of the story, but is a very real threat to the world as the characters know it.
FFXIII didn't have a main antagonist, which is a little disappointing, honestly. I liked the whole fighting your fate story they had going, but sinister protagonists works better as a story device, really.
waking up in Shinra headquarters to find the entire place covered in all of the business men's blood was a really amazing scene. Or seeing him smile and disappear into the darkness as an entire city burned down...
Seeing Sephiroth take out 10 story snakes that could easily kill you in one hit.
Seeing Sephiroth take out 10 story snakes that could easily kill you in one hit.
They need someone like that. Someone who is as sinister as the older antagonists. Someone you feel could take down the main characters at any moment for most of the story, but is a very real threat to the world as the characters know it.
FFXIII didn't have a main antagonist, which is a little disappointing, honestly. I liked the whole fighting your fate story they had going, but sinister protagonists works better as a story device, really.
I feel for you. Granted I do not import stuff because I am too poor, but it is so frustrating that I have to do cartwheels in order to play games that are more (usually) cheerful and not not just varying shades of brown. I want my Fire Emblem.LilithSlave said: