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[WhitemageofDOOM]

Ahhhh elitism.

Now, allow me to say this as a hardcore gamer.

When the hardcore asks to be catered to, it asks for the death of the thing it claims to love. Eventually, inevitably, every single hardcore gamer will be lost to time. We will get jobs, and families, or failing that we will die. Then who will be left to play games as we have been designing games that are pointlessly complex solely to scare away new players.

If you love something why wouldn't you want more people to enjoy it? No you don't actually care about games in gaming, you just want to be in something small and niche so you can claim to be better than the majority, call everything else lowest common denominator, and in general be an elitist selfish prick. And if gaming dies, you obviously don't care, you'll have a job, or a family, or you'll die either way.

Your scum.

 

[Saitken]

Video gaming started getting more casual when the PS1 came out IMO. SNES was mostly platformers and JRPGs, and while PS1 had their fair share of them, they focused a lot on sports and shooter games.

 

[Altorin]

I don't think games are being dumbed down that much from old games, not many of the ones I used to play anyway:

Fighting games: Were button mashers then, and button mashers now.

I don't know which fighting games brought you to that conclusion but frankly, you can't get very far with button mashing versus actually playing.
I play fighting games tournaments, and never have I seen a button masher win.
There are lots of strategies, such as poke strings, corner traps, juggles, infinites, footsie, negative edge, combo setups and top tier or counter-characters to choose from.
Do you think you can beat a guy that does all that with mind games with mere button mashing?
Sure, like once out of a thousand times out of sheer luck.

that's assuming you had someone with real skill to play against

Most of us played with our dad's and little sisters.

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Ahhhh elitism.

Now, allow me to say this as a hardcore gamer.

When the hardcore asks to be catered to, it asks for the death of the thing it claims to love. Eventually, inevitably, every single hardcore gamer will be lost to time. We will get jobs, and families, or family that we will die. Then who will be left to play games as we have been designing games that are pointlessly complex solely to scare away new players.

If you love something why wouldn't you want more people to enjoy it? No you don't actually care about games in gaming, you just want to be in something small and niche so you can claim to be better than the majority, call everything else lowest common denominator, and in general be an elitist selfish prick. And if gaming dies, you obviously don't care, you'll have a job, or a family, or you'll die either way.

Your scum.

*starts a slow clap*

bravo. couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[H.R.Shovenstuff]

I hate to use this word, but you, The Deleted, sir, are Elitist.

 

[Bobkat1252]

I personally ignore the loads of crap casual games that are being released, they're not harming me so long as I don't play them.

What I am concerned about is some of the talk I've heard about the next console generation. Companies want to turn away from disks and go straight to downloadable content for $40, sounds good right? But here's the kicker... they want us to pay a monthly fee of, get ready for this, $9.95(US)a month with a two month commitment! That's absurd! I don't know about you, but I couldn't afford that kind of a thing, I own nine xbox 360 games and plan on getting three more before the year is out, I would be paying $89 plus $5 for my live subscription a month. If gaming goes to that dark place, I'm retreating to the safe world of my PC.

 

[waggy]

can anyone else see a second gaming crash on its way where they just dump all the mainstream crap in a land fill somewhere so that we are not to be haunted by the mediocrocy of half assed gaming

 

[TheGreenManalishi]

I think once everyone has consoles like everyone has a DVD player, there'll be more effort put into making quality games for all tastes, like dvds

at least, in a perfect world...

 

[KSarty]

Gaming has already changed a lot in the 17 years I've been a part of it, including going further and further into the mainstream. However I still seem to find loads and loads of games that I want to play. The Wii is the ultimate example of casual gaming at this point, and through the Wii gaming is rising in popularity among non-gamers. To counter that though, this fall's lineup of games for instance is amazing. I have a list of 17 games that I will be buying before Christmas and they are all for PC and PS3. I don't have a 360 so I'm not even including the games I want that are coming out for that.

Game developers aren't so stupid as to think that since casual gaming is more popular that it means there is no longer a market for standard, "hardcore" games. They will make their casual games, but they will still make games for the traditional gaming crowd.

 

[The_Deleted]

Ahhhh elitism.

Now, allow me to say this as a hardcore gamer.

When the hardcore asks to be catered to, it asks for the death of the thing it claims to love. Eventually, inevitably, every single hardcore gamer will be lost to time. We will get jobs, and families, or family that we will die. Then who will be left to play games as we have been designing games that are pointlessly complex solely to scare away new players.

If you love something why wouldn't you want more people to enjoy it? No you don't actually care about games in gaming, you just want to be in something small and niche so you can claim to be better than the majority, call everything else lowest common denominator, and in general be an elitist selfish prick. And if gaming dies, you obviously don't care, you'll have a job, or a family, or you'll die either way.

Your scum.

I have no desire to in a small niche group of anything.
I do not want gaming to die nor do I have the punk rock mindset that feels anything of any worth should only cater to the few.
But it's aggressive pricks like you that give gamers a bad name.

 

[The_Deleted]

I hate to use this word, but you, The Deleted, sir, are Elitist.

No.
It's not the acceptance of games that worries me, it's the dumbing down and quick turn around projects that will be released to feed a market that gets bored of a game in a week, doesn't read the media to keep informed and simply goes out o buy the next 'quick buck' game.

 

[Copter400]

Gaschambers? Pfft, what we need are some casualchambers!

That was in horrible taste.

I'm only rising to the occasion.

You've risen. Now get the fuck back down.

 

[black lincon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPcQBveWOA
go there watch it all i have to say.

 

[The_Deleted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPcQBveWOA
go there watch it all i have to say.

Genius!
And, hands up, I can see why I might have come across as the 'fanboy' with the OP.
But just to state !again!, I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE PLAYING ANYTHING THEY SEE FIT. It was merely an matter for discussion. Which it certainly has been.
Thanks to everyone who got involved but I think black lincoln can claim /thread/ .

 

[crepesack]

ARE YOU GUYS REALLLLY THAT SURE
think a bout it we started playing games as wee littles and back then we thought EVERYTHING was hard and now we are older things are comparatively easier we have grown up, the things that challenged us then dont challenge us anymore. Not olny that but we are old to gaming we know what to expect and, YOU try coming up with gaming concepts that wont take up too much of a busy dev's life and is withing the grasp of todays technology. They are like movies almost everything is bad save for a few. A good analogy, a pile of shit looks bad, a pile of shit with sprinkles on it looks likes some nice fudge

 

[jim_doki]

*metaphoric hat throw*
If i can just pipe up for a second, the reason mainstream games are average piles of unplayability is because that's what the mainstream want, at least according to market research. now, I for one am glad more people are playing video games. It makes me happy that "the last intelligent MEDIUM " is getting out to more people. Gaming is one of those things like Jazz or Indie Cinema that isn't for everybody the first time around. It can sometimes take a few easy experiences to ease into these things. If you're first video game was something stupid hard like Romance of the Three Kingdoms or ADnD: Rise of the Silver Sun, i doubt you would be into gaming as much as you are. Games like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Mortal Kombat, which were easy to get into and understand, fostered your love for gaming. that is what is going to happen. It's like my freind who started listening to simple plan till i introduced her to flogging molly, The Pogues, the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. do you see where im going with this?

 

[The_Deleted]

* do you see where im going with this?

Absolutely. I agree that very few people jump in at the dep end as it were. But what if 'the market' doesn't keep up with the development of the new audience?

It'll be a boom & bust situation.

 

[jim_doki]

dude, that's jsut not going to happen. Independant game makers, which incidentally need your support more, will keep catering to you. Hollywood hasn't busted yet, it's just gotten crap.

if we stick with hollywood: i would love to see more films like Clerks or Eternal Sunshine. They're always gonna be around, no matter how hard hollywood pushes to get rid of them. Independant cinema, like the Evil Dead films, will always be able to do what hollywood, but better

 

[Cyclomega]

Anyway, why even care, the Game Overthinker video sums it up quite right.

There are some "hardcore" whiners of today who were "our" enemies back then, they came to play PES, FIFA, Madden and Ridge Racer, and they followed the Halo tide, and now they make fun of the Wii, which is quite surely the most barebones "gaming" console in the market, more than the N64, more than the GameCube, back to the glory of the NES, SNES and Genesis.

I just regret most of the current Nintendo catalog is shitty third-party, shoehorned-features-full, license-exploitation forgettable games and that really good games are a pain to find, but the XBox and the PSx are definitely consoles without personality nor soul compared to Nintendo consoles.
Don't get me wrong, I have a PSX, a PS2, both Xboxes and also a PSP, yet I find that my NDS has more appeal in the end, also because my poor PSP is mainly a receptacle for ports, re-hashes of GBA games (Yggdra Union, for instance, even if it's a good game), and shitty license exploitation... the few exclusive games are usually underwhelming (Bounty Hounds, Infected), or continuation of PSX/PS2 franchises (Crisis Core, God of War, Clank, Daxter).
So well...

 

[The_Deleted]

The problem with the Wii is it does have a lot of potential that has yet to be realised.
'Serious' gamers are put off by the 'Shitty third party' stuff and developers are still getting to grips with the PS3 while comfortable with the 360. The Wii seems to be losing out as an afterthought and anything decent that does get released will continue to be passed over and the Wii die off never acheiving all it could.

 

[WhitemageofDOOM]

I have no desire to in a small niche group of anything.

What was that mr. "keep gaming only for the gamers"? That is just a nice way of saying keep it niche. Keep it in the established fan base.

I do not want gaming to die nor do I have the punk rock mindset that feels anything of any worth should only cater to the few.

If you don't want casual games designed to create new gamers then you want gaming to die, it is that simple. Anything that caters to it's established fan base is inherently self destructive. Said fan base will eventually be lost to entropy and then there will be nothing. That's my point, if you didn't want gaming to die you would be encouraging casual games and opposing games designed to scare away new players.
But your opposing casual games and encouraging games designed to scare away new players.

But it's aggressive pricks like you that give gamers a bad name.

And? Being nice doesn't make one right, being mean doesn't make one wrong.