Keeping Batman Original

Kittyhawk

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When I heard that Warner was going to take the reigns for the third recent Batman game, I got worried. Why?

Because Warner/DC have this thing about their characters (You must, must, must sell the origin story crap). They want to sell them at every turn like cheap cider brewed in their shed, while trying to stop everyone from loading up on booze from the local cheap booze seller. They forced too much Batman guff into a game that should have been subtle enough on Batman and his world. This pushing of characters like drugs on people, is largely what turns my stomach off of much super hero stuff.

The contrast between Arkham Asylum and Arkham City to Origins is stark enough, to put me off buying it. For while I love giving thugs the caped beatdown, Origins seems like glory seeking of Warner crying 'Yeah, we can do games too', creating a Battycake with far too much sugar, that it'd make real bats actually see (if fruity bats ate cake). Rock Steady knew when to add for a more effective game and when to take away or be vague/subtle.

Next time, Warner, leave the game creation to the experts, please. Get back to making Arrow and Man of Steel 2, sweet. (Would love to see what Rock Steady could do with an Arrow game, tasty food thought)

Might have to leave this B:O (nice initials there, Warner, proper B:O) next to AC4 and CoD, for some much needed R&R, lest we forget to buy them out of overkill. And what's next for the Dark Knight? Probably won't get another game until 2015.

As for lame hero foils, I was half expecting Warner to roll out the Clock King, asking Batman to punch his crime time card. Indeed, much villains are lame and deserve to languish in the Lazarus Pit of obscurity.
 

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I'd like to see Crime Doctor (the gritty Crime Doctor, that is) in Batman: Arkham Origins 2: With actual Origins. I'm more annoyed at the fact that everything has to be so gritty in the Arkham games, it does it's tone well but a light comic relief besides the Joker would have been nice. Like Catwoman pointing out how absurd it is for her to pretend to be a cat while moving like a spider.
 

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"Yahtzee"
Mandatory Arkhamverse Grittification:
Everything he critiques about you warps reality to become literally true.
And man, does he say some F'ed up things! ('cuz that's gritty, for realz!)

;)
 

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Interesting suggestions. That Crime Doctor brought to mind that excellent Animated Series episode someone above me mentioned, and made me think of a couple of characters whoa are also "supervillain support". How do they find their hideouts in Gotham City? They give a call to The Broker, the "official" real-estate agent of the criminal community. He's mentioned in one of the Unlockable Arkham City Stories, and his business cards are in Zsasz's hideout. Also, how do they set up all those crazy traps? They hire The Carpenter, a former member of the Mad Hatter's Wonderland gang.

One antagonist I was disappointed that wasn't included in Arkham City was Jason Todd as The Red Hood. He could have infiltrated that place to demonstrate to Batman his method has failed and provided some pathos. He could be there to kill the Joker as vengeance for killing him years ago, and perhaps wasted Mr. Zsasz, because that guy is as one-note as a lot of C-list villains.
 
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Didn't Crazy Quilt get a reference in Arkham City? I was sure a thug I was waiting to pounce on mentioned to his fellow thug of similar future prospects that Crazy Quilt had set up somewhere in the City and basically got a reaction of "Wait, what? Seriously?"
Made me laugh since I'd actually heard of Crazy Quilt. Aka this guy!
http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/crazy-quilt.jpg
 

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I think part of the problem is they don't even use half the ones they do very well.

Black Mask was an easter egg in City and an afterthought in Origins, and is probably the most major villain to somehow not cross into the upper-crust of Bat-famedom. The games kind of shit on him to build up the Joker, rather unfairly.

Hush could kick in as more then an easter egg, as could Azrael.

Prometheus was barely an easter egg, and has sidelined the entire Justice League before.
 

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We could've brought back all the really effective villains in their early days, exploring their formative years and how they became part of Batman's punch-harem. That would've been fresh enough.
And this is what I was hoping might happen when I'd heard about the game. Instead they dusted off a bunch of C-list baddies. More's the pity, really.

Darth_Payn said:
One antagonist I was disappointed that wasn't included in Arkham City was Jason Todd as The Red Hood. He could have infiltrated that place to demonstrate to Batman his method has failed and provided some pathos. He could be there to kill the Joker as vengeance for killing him years ago, and perhaps wasted Mr. Zsasz, because that guy is as one-note as a lot of C-list villains.
I don't know a whole lot about Red Hood, but from what I do know, that could've been pretty interesting too.
 

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Ok. Stop criticizing Deadshot. Deadshot is awesome. He is one of the founation stones of the classic Suicide Squad along with Captain Boomerang, Bronze Tiger, Dr Amanda Waller and Rick Flagg. Despite being ruined in the current comics Suicide Squad is a Bona Fide classic. Think the Dirty Dozen of B-list DC villains.

Secondly. What, no Penny Pincher?
 

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Deathstroke was a time waster as well, same as Killer Croc - you fought and beat those two within a few hours of gaming. They should have been continuous attacks through out the game - just going about your business and BOOM Deathstroke attacks you. Your in the sewers and BOOM Killer Croc attacks again. Just so pathetic that the enemies where there, beaten and gone. Sch a waste of time and might as well be random thugs than named villians.
 

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Silver Patriot said:
Thanatos2k said:
I'm a fan of the Clock King myself.
That would be awesome. Though I only know him though the DCAU. I don't know how well a straight fight between them would go, (In the series he knew the exact timing for all of Batman's moves.) but it would be cool to at least see him running a string of crimes with a team planning every move down to the second Task Force X style.
Clock King was acutally a Green Arrow Villain, but like a lot of things, The Cartoon did him SOOOOOOOOOOO well.
He did make an appearance in the 60's Batman show and in The Brave and the Bold, but I think his DCAU version is the best known.


Only time will tell...
 

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octafish said:
Ok. Stop criticizing Deadshot. Deadshot is awesome. He is one of the founation stones of the classic Suicide Squad along with Captain Boomerang, Bronze Tiger, Dr Amanda Waller and Rick Flagg. Despite being ruined in the current comics Suicide Squad is a Bona Fide classic. Think the Dirty Dozen of B-list DC villains.

Secondly. What, no Penny Pincher?
Yeah, Deadshot is awesome, really like the version they made for the Arrow TV Show.
I also like that only freaking Deathstroke is ranked higher on the assassin leader-board then him.
And that guy is basically DC's version of Wolverine!
 

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The Rogue Wolf said:
Darth_Payn said:
One antagonist I was disappointed that wasn't included in Arkham City was Jason Todd as The Red Hood. He could have infiltrated that place to demonstrate to Batman his method has failed and provided some pathos. He could be there to kill the Joker as vengeance for killing him years ago, and perhaps wasted Mr. Zsasz, because that guy is as one-note as a lot of C-list villains.
I don't know a whole lot about Red Hood, but from what I do know, that could've been pretty interesting too.
Hell, it could be the perfect way to set up a Post-Arkham City game.
In the Animated Film, Red Hood's whole goal was to get Batman to kill the Joker.
And seeing how the Joker is dead, it could be a perfect way to bring him into the Verse, just to mess with Batman and say "I told you so...".

Picture this: A year or two after the events of Arkham City, Bruce Wayne's birthday party, all the other Robins and Supporting cast is there to help Bruce's mental state.

Guess who comes into town?

That would be AWESOME.
 

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RJ Dalton said:
Let's not forget that several of the most loved rogues gallery villains in Batman were jokes originally. Like Mr. Frieze. Before The Animated Series of the 90s came along, Mr. Frieze wasn't very interesting or compelling. He was just a character with a cold gimmick. So, I'm all for them trying out some of the lesser known villains, just as long as they actually do something to make them interesting.

And really, another facet I want to see explored is the question of why are there so many loons in Gotham? You don't see that in the other DC comics characters. The rogues gallery of Superman and Wonder Woman are all sane as can be. So, what is it about Gotham that brings out the loons? There's an interesting question to explore.
Remember that Pit in Arkham City? Well, it has side effects...

Seriously, I think that's how it was explained, Wonder City failed because everyone went insane thanks to the Pit.
That Pit then might have poisoned the groundwater in Gotham for Centuries.
Hell, maybe even the reason Batman is messed up. (Though the "My Parents are Deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!" think wouldn't help.)
 

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Catman wouldn't be caught dead wearing actual cat skin. He once hunted down and slaughtered a gang of lion poachers.
 

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Jezzy54 said:
Catman wouldn't be caught dead wearing actual cat skin. He once hunted down and slaughtered a gang of lion poachers.
That's metal. Also, in gritty land you can totally get away with betraying your ideals and murder if you're gritty and cool enough.

Punch-Harem is the greatest word since that one really memorable one that everyone likes.
 

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I would pay top dollar for a game based around the insanity of Crazy Quilt.

Kevin Smith has a wonderful send up of the character and the general Dark Age of Comics by using the villain, essentially, as a training tool for a new vigilante that Batman's training.

That's right.

He's a human punching bag.
That said, CQ does himself proud by using his special light themed weapon to make anyone looking into to violently puke up their lunch.

The line where he screeches, almost protesting that he's not a joke by a twisted writer, that he kills now while waving a gun around had me in knots.

Maybe he'll be part of some wonderful DLC....
 

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chikusho said:
The Crime Doctor was actually given an episode in the always excellent Batman: TAS.
Synopsis and episode right here:

http://dubbed-scene.com/batman-animated-series-53-paging-crime-doctor

"Dr. Matthew Thorne, forced into losing his medical license and becoming the crime doctor by his younger brother, crime bass Rupert Thorne, must perform delicate surgery on Rupert. He cant do it alone, and kidnaps Dr. Leslie Thompkins to assist. Batman discovers Leslies disappearance, and rushes to track her down. In the process we learn how Matthew is basically a good man: when he learns that Ruperts men will ultimately kill Leslie, he goes against his brother to save her."
THIS.

*Shakes your hand, gives you keys to Batcave*