Kevin Butler Returns for "PS3: It Only Does 256 Players"
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I couldn't have put it better myself. It should prove interesting to see how this all works out, but methinks immaturity, lack of cooperation and raging egos are going to screw the whole idea up.John Funk said:
Actually, apparently the way it'll work is through a hierarchy. So, presuming that everyone low on the ladder follows orders, and those giving the orders communicate/are effective, the sense of being part of an army is actually possible.Baby Tea said:
Oh wait, that's right: this is online multiplayer we're talking about here. That means that no-one will follow orders, the ones supposed to be giving orders won't have mics/will suck at what they do, and the whole thing will be a fantastic clusterfuck.
And that's presuming that lag doesn't kill everything.
Still, Kevin Butler does a mean commercial.
As wierd as it sounds, the game us organized in a way that makes that kind if teamwork possible. The players are divided into (in the beta at least) 8 mm squads with thier own objectives determinded by your OIC and Squad leader, with XP insentives for following orders. Every game I played on the beta, people where actually working together as a team.Baby Tea said:
You would think that 128 vs 128 would be one giant shooting dustcloud, but I've played the beta and I must say that it's very organized. Your divided up into several squads and a squad leader tells you which target your squad should attack or defend. Once you sit down and play it, it makes sence.
Kevin Butler is the best thing to happen ever, period. Try one-upping my statement now!sunpop said:
I don't get why would he be worried about losing the position of FPS relations VP, though. Why not call shadow cabal dudes from R&C commercial to sort this all out?
Reading through this thread, most of the people seem to fall into one of two categories:
1. Those who didn't play the Beta and are bashing the game based on assumptions.
2. Those who did play it and liked it, testifying that the assumptions of the first group are unfounded.
Soooo... why is group 1 still whining?
1. Those who didn't play the Beta and are bashing the game based on assumptions.
2. Those who did play it and liked it, testifying that the assumptions of the first group are unfounded.
Soooo... why is group 1 still whining?
I'm glad there are no auto healing in the game, makes you feel like you're in a war and you can actually die, as for health that's why you become a medic, that shot you give yourself is ridiculous, it freakin' recharges faster than you can reload. Take two shots and you're healed 100% but yeah, MAG does suck.cheywoodward said:
Okay I didn't want it to come to this but now you forced my hand. Kevin Butler is the messiah of the gamers and will lead us to the holy land as promised in the good book.Kollega said:Kevin Butler is the best thing to happen ever, period. Try one-upping my statement now!sunpop said:
I don't get why would he be worried about losing the position of FPS relations VP, though. Why not call shadow cabal dudes from R&C commercial to sort this all out?
I have no issue with health packs in games that are supposed to be simulations like Operation flashpoint: dragon rising but I want games like call of duty or MAG to make me feel like I am playing a war game not in a war because war is terrible in real life but awesome in videogames. I have not tried being a medic and I doubt I ever will as the beta is over and I won't buy it (unless everyone in the world begins playing it) because as you said, it sucks.SMOKEMNHALO2001 said:
I'd dare say you've been one-upped good sir.sunpop said:Okay I didn't want it to come to this but now you forced my hand. Kevin Butler is the messiah of the gamers and will lead us to the holy land as promised in the good book.Kollega said:Kevin Butler is the best thing to happen ever, period. Try one-upping my statement now!sunpop said:
I don't get why would he be worried about losing the position of FPS relations VP, though. Why not call shadow cabal dudes from R&C commercial to sort this all out?
I doubt you'll read this, but I can tell you the beta at least didn't support your fears.
For a large part of the battle you'll be working in little 6-12 man teams, you've got a leader and he's got abilities like setting waypoints and I found that people did start working together and helping each other. The maps are really well designed to force co-operation. I.e. If you all base camp then no-one is covering an area which has good sights down into the base, if you try to go it alone you'll be flanked. But they aren't designed to cluster you up. Even without mikes the map forces you to cover each other, yet there;s enough flexibility that anyone person can make a difference and lead his team forward.
However as the game progresses you join up with more and more squads and it gets more and more intense until by the climax you feel like it's a true battle. Yet even at these parts they make the objectives much bigger and give lots of side objectives (take out the AA guns to allow your commanders to use airstrikes etc) so it still doesn't quite clusterf***
For a large part of the battle you'll be working in little 6-12 man teams, you've got a leader and he's got abilities like setting waypoints and I found that people did start working together and helping each other. The maps are really well designed to force co-operation. I.e. If you all base camp then no-one is covering an area which has good sights down into the base, if you try to go it alone you'll be flanked. But they aren't designed to cluster you up. Even without mikes the map forces you to cover each other, yet there;s enough flexibility that anyone person can make a difference and lead his team forward.
However as the game progresses you join up with more and more squads and it gets more and more intense until by the climax you feel like it's a true battle. Yet even at these parts they make the objectives much bigger and give lots of side objectives (take out the AA guns to allow your commanders to use airstrikes etc) so it still doesn't quite clusterf***
Except that didn't happen. I played (in Britain) on American servers with no lag, people obeyed orders because the maps and XP are set up so it makes sense. The game is brutal to people who aren't part of a team and it turns everyone into teamplayers hard and fast. The people with mikes seemed well balanced (but there wasn't enough of them). And health is low enough that run and gun isn't an option. You have to use brains.scotth266 said:
That was a good for a chuckle... but GAMES ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS.
I think mag will be good for a larf, but a competent tactical shooter? I think not.
Clusterf**k for sure.
I think mag will be good for a larf, but a competent tactical shooter? I think not.
Clusterf**k for sure.
I think the way MAG works in beta now, it has potential.
But I think the people who are saying that it's hierarchy system will prevent clusterfudges from happening are forgetting one very important x-factor:
MILLIONS of new players who werent selected for Beta.
What happens when you add 5 million random gamers with random levels of bandwidth who DON'T really understand the whole "cooperation and teamwork are vital" aspect of the game concept?
I think people are imagining these well oiled squads all performing as a team.
I see 202 idiots on a battlefield coming straight from the well different gaming style of Modern Warfare 2 storming into combat like a.d.d riddled master chief wannabes turning the game into massive frustrating frag-fests, clogging up the mics with inane and offensive banter like the Xbox Live kids, and iffy internet connections committing friendly fire massacres on a scale never before seen in the history of virtual warfare.
Sounds like fun!
But I think the people who are saying that it's hierarchy system will prevent clusterfudges from happening are forgetting one very important x-factor:
MILLIONS of new players who werent selected for Beta.
What happens when you add 5 million random gamers with random levels of bandwidth who DON'T really understand the whole "cooperation and teamwork are vital" aspect of the game concept?
I think people are imagining these well oiled squads all performing as a team.
I see 202 idiots on a battlefield coming straight from the well different gaming style of Modern Warfare 2 storming into combat like a.d.d riddled master chief wannabes turning the game into massive frustrating frag-fests, clogging up the mics with inane and offensive banter like the Xbox Live kids, and iffy internet connections committing friendly fire massacres on a scale never before seen in the history of virtual warfare.
Sounds like fun!
It also depends on the map size - does anyone else remember that 64-player map for Quake II? Someone grabbed the first three levels and glued them together.
But hey, rather than one big cluster-fuck, it'd probably be a front-lines-style series of smaller, more localised clusterfucks. And hey, 2fort256 would be an awesomely huge level...
But hey, rather than one big cluster-fuck, it'd probably be a front-lines-style series of smaller, more localised clusterfucks. And hey, 2fort256 would be an awesomely huge level...