Khan May Actually Be In Star Trek 2

[Atmos Duality]

Ugh. Don't try to recreate Wrath of Khan. It's the one and only truly awesome Star Trek movie; a genuine work of Sci-Fi art. (the others might not be bad, but none of them come anywhere near the depth of Wrath of Khan).

The direction of Star Trek into Action-Schlock wasn't all that bad (I like most of J.J. Abram's action-filler film), but lets not start pissing all over specific gems just for quick, cheap nostalgic exploitation designed to cater to the lowest common denominator.

When you do that, you end up with Michael Bay's Transformers movies or Indiana Jones 4. Profitable, yes, but they're ultimately insulting to the audience, pathetically inadequate compared to their source material, and VERY unnecessary.

 

[walrusaurus]

Pine's Kirk did nothing for me but Urban was great as McCoy and Quinto did a good job as Spock.

See i felt exactly the opposite. I thought Chris Pine was a lot of fun, and for me the guy who played McCoy was the worst part of the whole film. OK maybe tied for worst with Eric Bana (never liked him in anything). I thought he was wooden and dull, but it probably didn't help that i couldn't stop cringing at that ridiculously forced accent.

I do agree though Spock was awesome.

 

[pwnzerstick]

Lets just get this out of the way *ahem*...
KAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
Ah, that felt good.

 

[Hungry Donner]

I thought as an origin story it did really well. Two parts could have been scienced a bit better, 1 is the red matter being plotdeviceium and 2 is nimoy showing up to pass on the ears. The roMMAulans I could take or leave, but they were fine as far as enemys go.

An alternate timeline is a clever way to bypass the problems with past canon that Star Trek: Enterprise had, and in the long run it removes a lot of restrictions they'd otherwise have. But I felt it was handled sloppily and shouldn't have dominated the storyline. It also resulted in a movie that was 90% setting the stage for future movies - I want to see the crew of the Enterprise doing something, I don't care about a convoluted origin story.

If they wanted everyone together they should have started the film that way and given us a productive story with the full cast. If they wanted something about Kirk's wild academy days focus on that. But this movie tried to do both and, in my opinion, handled neither well. Granted I'm not of fan of origin stories to begin with, but I still think this movie did a particularly bad job in this regard.

See i felt exactly the opposite. I thought Chris Pine was a lot of fun, and for me the guy who played McCoy was the worst part of the whole film. OK maybe tied for worst with Eric Bana (never liked him in anything). I thought he was wooden and dull, but it probably didn't help that i couldn't stop cringing at that ridiculously forced accent.

I do agree though Spock was awesome.

Urban's accent was silly but the performance overall reminded me of McCoy. Pine's Kirk didn't remind me of Kirk.

The Star Trek films rarely handle primary antagonists well. Looking at the TNG films, I think Malcolm McDowell and F. Murray Abraham did save otherwise poorly developed characters, but a good performance only goes so far when the character itself is uninteresting - neither character is going down in the annals of nerdom the way Khan has, or even getting an extended lease at life like the Borg Queen. Of course when an actor isn't talented enough to lift up a poorly designed character . . . . well I had to look up the names for Nero and Shinzon, I couldn't recall them.

 

[Buzz Killington_v1legacy]

Just had a thought, maybe instead of a Latino playing a Sikh, maybe we could get a actual Sikh or at least an actor from the Indian sub-continent?

You know who would make an excellent Khan in the Abrams timeline?

 

[ReservoirAngel]

If he does utter these exact words, I will officially complain in writing:

He tasks me! He tasks me, and I shall have him! I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia, and round the Antares Maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up! Prepare to alter course!

Also if Kirk doesn't scream "KHAAAAN!!!" at some point I shall also complain.

 

[Denvarte]

The Borg always were more of a foe to Picard and Janeway. Putting them up against Kirk wouldn't make any sense...
-snip-

I liked the reboot, but if they put Picard in the reboots I don't know what kind of violence I'll commit but I can't be held responsible.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

However, he was very firm on one thing: "We know what the movie's about, we know what the key relationships are, what the stakes are, who the bad guy is...or girl...or Borg. No Borg. No Borg. We can rule out Borg."

Thank god for that.

Really, possibly the best use of the Borg was in Deep Space Nine. They appeared ONCE in a flashback that set up Sisko's main internal conflict for the series. They came in, blasted the entire Federation fleet away, and then just moved on. They didn't care or notice how they just destroyed the meaning to his and many other people's lives as Wolfen 314.

THAT was how you made a villain you FEARED.

 

[Mahorfeus]

The "reboot" was easily one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen. The science was a bit convoluted, but then again, compared to the BS plot of The Motion Picture and the goofiness of the fourth film, it was alright. I mean, hell, it's sci-fi for a reason.

I wouldn't mind Khan showing up. Destiny seems to be a prominent element in the series, so it would be interesting to have them meet up one way or the other. Having them be allies would be a cool twist, but only if there's some greater and more original villain posing a threat.

But if Khan sacrifices himself to save Kirk, rips off Spock's dying words from Wrath of Khan, and then Kirk screams "KHAAAAAN!" in anguish.... THEN I'd kick JJ in the nuts.

 

[walrusaurus]

If they wanted everyone together they should have started the film that way and given us a productive story with the full cast. If they wanted something about Kirk's wild academy days focus on that. But this movie tried to do both and, in my opinion, handled neither well. Granted I'm not of fan of origin stories to begin with, but I still think this movie did a particularly bad job in this regard.

The thing is the last time the original star trek produced anything was before much of this movies target audience was born. I'm in my 20s and I know for me at least when i think of star trek i think of patrick stewart. I know the names of some of the original characters and some of the plot outlines of the films which i saw when i was very young and thats about it. THe purpose of this movie was to introduce these characters to an outsider, and i think it did a pretty good job of it.

 

[Hungry Donner]

The thing is the last time the original star trek produced anything was before much of this movies target audience was born. I'm in my 20s and I know for me at least when i think of star trek i think of patrick stewart. I know the names of some of the original characters and some of the plot outlines of the films which i saw when i was very young and thats about it. THe purpose of this movie was to introduce these characters to an outsider, and i think it did a pretty good job of it.

If the purpose of this movie was to introduce the characters why not set the movie a little later so everyone is already together, rather than giving us repeated "and here's how we're going to get XYZ involved" interludes.

 

[Xpheyel]

That's it. Star Trek Is Dead.

I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you, and I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her. Marooned for all eternity at the center of a dead franchise.
Buried alive.
Buried alive. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SovOXtH-bpM]

 

[MB202]

No Borg? Well, wasn't the Borg mostly Star Trek: The Next Generation villains? And the new rebooted Star Trek movies are all about the classic series. So it only makes sense, to me anyway. As for Khan being in the next movie... Will they follow the Star Trek episode Space Seed, or skip right to Wrath of Khan because it's such a famous Star Trek movie?

 

[Kenji_03]

He has to be teasing with us as Kahn wouldn't really fit into the new Star Trek. Unless Abrams pulls a "Lost" on us and goes entirely different than the story

 

[notimeforlulz]

1. It doesn't fit the timeline.

2. Benecio Del Toro

That is all.

 

[vansau]

However, he was very firm on one thing: "We know what the movie's about, we know what the key relationships are, what the stakes are, who the bad guy is...or girl...or Borg. No Borg. No Borg. We can rule out Borg."

Thank god for that.

Really, possibly the best use of the Borg was in Deep Space Nine. They appeared ONCE in a flashback that set up Sisko's main internal conflict for the series. They came in, blasted the entire Federation fleet away, and then just moved on. They didn't care or notice how they just destroyed the meaning to his and many other people's lives as Wolfen 314.

THAT was how you made a villain you FEARED.

Deep Space Nine did a lot of stuff right. Hell, they were still cool in First Contact, too, because they were basically treated like a zombie infection with a formidable leader. Too bad they stopped being cool and just got boring in Voyager *grumble*

 

[notimeforlulz]

* snip *

Sounds sweet. You know, I may actually have to watch that Star Trek movie.

No, I havent watched it. Please dont kill me.

Watch it, and watch star trek VI, and your life shall be spared.

 

[Hungry Donner]

Star Trek has never done an origin story anyway that I'm aware of. What's wrong with having one movie as that?

If they wanted to do an origin story I think they should have focused on the core cast: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. I suspect a movie like this would have worked well, and they could have added the rest of the cast in the next movie. Instead they had to force the classic crew together quickly and much earlier than they ever were before, and this not only made the origin story jarring but it will making keeping them all together quite odd.

Star Fleet may not technically be a military organization, but they are arranged like one and that means you work where you are assigned. Do we really believe that the top brass will give young Mr. Kirk command of the Enterprise and assign all of his young friends to the top command slots? We've already had one movie of magical coincidences getting them together, I don't see how the next movie can avoid a second series of convenient coincidences to keep them together.

Had the movie been set later, when they were all together, these problems would have been entirely avoided. Had the movie focused on a few characters, rather than attempting to get all of them involved, this would have also avoided these problems. Abrams wanted an origin film and he wanted the entire crew together and he wanted it set during their academy years - and in my opinion attempting all of these just resulted in a mess.

 

[Atmos Duality]

So do you form your own opinions or do you just rely on Red Letter Media to do it for you?

Do you always make baseless accusations and non-arguments, or are you just looking for attention?

 

[Atmos Duality]

Oh, going on the offensive are we?

Says the guy deliberately looking to start shit.

Don't make me laugh, you almost quoted his review verbatim using the exact same terminology. Maybe he'll sell you a script and then you can just copy and paste.

Fallacy: Correlation =/= Causality
Similar =/= Same.

It's entirely possible I arrived at a similar opinion independently, or through years of discussion and thought. Especially on a topic as widely discussed as Reboots and Sequel exploitation.

But I suppose that thought never crossed your mind; you were too busy projecting to notice.
So your constant desire to smear me (which is another Fallacy: Poisoning the Well) is both childish AND meaningless.

I suggest either replying with something relevant to the topic, or leave me the fuck alone.