Kickstarter: Proceed with Caution

[Evil Alpaca]

Kickstarter projects have risk and eventually one will fail spectacularly. However, I look at the concept as a good thing simply because it is breaking the strangle-hold that big publishers have on on game developers.

My real hope for the project is that it provides competition for publisher based game creation which should improve games overall.

 

[Draconalis]

You don't see other products offering free blowjobs with every purchase, hence why other industries don't have to deal with this shit.

...have you never seen beer adverts?

The beauty here though, is that you're too drunk to remember to complain, though.

 

[Formica Archonis]

Ahhh how soon we forget...

Uh.... Suggestion: If you want to use something as evidence of some people using Kickstarter as a scam in the future, don't use something so goddamn self-important. It ruins the argument. Something Awful's "Awful Kickstarters [http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3481321]" thread has, like, dozens of examples of scams to link to.

 

[370999]

Surely to a certain degree, Kickstarter must be used in a sustainable manner? In that if it gets too big, then it will become an victim of it's own success meaning that the whole idea will collapse. But if it is kept niche and a labor of love type of thing then great, it's kept within a knowledge base of individuals who understand the risks.

Look it's easy to make fun of people's ignorance, but people do make mistakes and seeing as I like the idea of kickstarter I hope it continues for as long as possible.

 

[Twilight_guy]

You're going to need to define "indie." To me it means without a publisher and Bastion is published by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment a company outside the developer.

I'm more worried about what happens when people, who have varied tastes and ideas about how something will turn out, fund a game expecting one thing and get something entirely different in the end. Just because you back a game that sound like its right for you doesn't mean that the end product will meet your expectation (especially when a few thousand backers all have slightly different expectations). What happens when people start to feel that their money was misspent and get more tight fisted and careful to ensure not wasting money again? How long is kick-starter going to be a way for any joe to get his game funded before things start to level out and what will happen to crowd-sourcing after that? Is this just a fad?

 

[Frostbite3789]

...have you never seen beer adverts?

Yeah, they love to talk about how cold their beer is, and as Kyle Cease has addressed, the coldness of the beer is kind of 100% up to the consumer.

 

[mfeff]

Ahhh how soon we forget...

Uh.... Suggestion: If you want to use something as evidence of some people using Kickstarter as a scam in the future, don't use something so goddamn self-important. It ruins the argument. Something Awful's "Awful Kickstarters [http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3481321]" thread has, like, dozens of examples of scams to link to.

Like your link I don't own it. Ergo the link you provided is akin to the video I provided. I no more claim ownership than you can claim ownership. If you feel that it's content is self-important may I suggest you take it up with the creator of said video.

That said, I didn't make an argument.

Nor did I claim that AVGN has done anything immoral, unethical, or illegal.

The video "tangentially" does make a case for donation style cash infusions not being tied to any A) oversight, B) guarantee as to "how" money is to be used.

Now, perhaps you could of said... that's an interesting video, if not for it's own self importance, how about you check out this link?

You didn't.

You attacked it as "being" self important without saying why.

You said I ruined an argument, I did no such thing because I made no argument, I made a broken statement, punctuated by a random video, and mentioned looking into the financials of "starting" a kickstarter. You addressed none of that.

I posted a video, you posted a link. Great!

Hey but thanks for alleging to my own self-importance. At the going rate, I fit right in... hell, we should be friends.

 

[Formica Archonis]

You said I ruined an argument, I did no such thing because I made no argument, I made a broken statement, punctuated by a random video, and mentioned looking into the financials of "starting" a kickstarter. You addressed none of that.

I posted a video, you posted a link. Great!

Hey but thanks for alleging to my own self-importance. At the going rate, I fit right in... hell, we should be friends.

Okay, then. That's a rather more aggrieved response than I was ever expecting, but assuming you're not trolling me and I really did offend you that badly, I apologize and promise to not comment on what you post again lest I be similarly offensive.

 

[mfeff]

You said I ruined an argument, I did no such thing because I made no argument, I made a broken statement, punctuated by a random video, and mentioned looking into the financials of "starting" a kickstarter. You addressed none of that.

I posted a video, you posted a link. Great!

Hey but thanks for alleging to my own self-importance. At the going rate, I fit right in... hell, we should be friends.

Okay, then. That's a rather more aggrieved response than I was ever expecting, but assuming you're not trolling me and I really did offend you that badly, I apologize and promise to not comment on what you post again lest I be similarly offensive.

Nah dude it's cool. In fact on one hand I agree that the video is everything you said it was. However, it's an opinion piece... his channel is geared towards "a critique of critics". His yahtzee stuff is really funny... in a certain light. That said, and on the other hand I find that his opinion is just that, and transparently so. Making it no different than 99 percent of the content of the escapist.

I found it fitting especially when Shamus said "...enjoy the honeymoon". There was a similarity in tone, someone sarcastic, somewhat annoyed. I focused on the emotional tangent rather than the explicit content or even context.

So... comment away, please! I enjoy a good debate, so long as we are to have one. It's something that I find sorely lacking in the halls of the forums. As the saying goes, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

While we are here... I do dislike heavily leveraged ontological arguments... so if you make one, and I come off as butt-hurt... well, I am generally... it's an annoyance with the framing normally, mostly because it's oft times... done poorly.

 

[Rachel-Lynn Maddow]

Kickstarter has a project which is blatantly violating their ToS, in which the project creator hasn?t even posted an update to the backers in 6 MONTHS 19 DAYS and the project is 17 MONTHS behind its ship date. I contacted them and they made it clear they have no intention of honoring their own ToS they entered into with their backers and the project creator and are refusing to have the creator refund the pledges as promised. Many other people who have tried kickstarter have experienced this. Kickstarter needs to actually follow their own rules or cease scamming people into a ?safe? system by promising refunds they refuse to deliver.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hern/waldok-wall-plug-in-speaker-charger-for-the-ipod-n/posts

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#IsACreaLegaObliToFulfThePromOfTheiProj