Hmmm, I wasn't being too bright when I posted, but I'll defend myself regardless.Soviet Heavy said:So I'm a troll now, huh? I thought this thread was rather civil in comparison to others I've seen. Anyway, I feel this post is more flame bait than anything else that has been stated in this thread. But I don't like being called a troll, and I don't like being called an idiot.
Of course things are going to be subjective! There has never once been a time when everyone agrees unanimously, that is why there is discussion in the first place. I feel concerned that children's shows have lost meaning nowadays. Yes, I am biased towards older shows that I grew up with, but I can not go into a new kids show and find any redeeming features that were present when I grew up.
I never said you were a troll; I said you were probably a troll. That's a big difference there. I honestly couldn't understand why a person would name a thread "Kids Shows Suck Today" when trying to discuss it rather than "Does Kids Shows suck today?". The former implies you do not want to discuss the matter but rather want to invoke people's emotions. Y'see, the word "suck" is a load word, a word used to invoke emotion, to invoke a specific idea. This is opposed to the latter which ask a certain question: Does kids shows today suck? That would be implying you didn't already have your answer and was willing to discuss the matter. The title you went with showed that you just wanted to ***** and complain about kids shows today without actually discussing it. And to my credit, your opening post does not indicate this willingness to partake in a debate whether these shows suck. It seemed like, to me, that you were just saying kids shows sucked. The only question brought up was "Why do kids shows suck?". What indication besides your opinion in which I already stated is not fact is there that cartoons suck today? None, that's how much.
That is why I called you probably a troll. Not my exact words, but you can infer that is what I meant. I did call you an idiot bitching about shows that didn't pander to your wishes too, a statement I stand by. See the use of the word "or" in my post to Grounogeos to which you responded.
Odd, Soviet Heavy, I explicitly said PM me if you have a problem. I only said that because I thought the thread was going through the process of death, but you couldn't have possibly have known that. I could forgive your first reply because there was a chance you didn't read my next post, but seriously, I stated to PM. Oh, well, I guess. I'll address your point.Soviet Heavy said:So now a topic that you've already stated was subjective can be considered wrong? So you accuse others of fanboyism because they don't agree with your opinion? So now your opinions give you the right to tell others that their own opinions are wrong?GrizzlyCow said:You're just as susceptible to nostalgia, but unlike other people, you are too stubborn to admit you're wrong. The fact is you're doing what all the other "Older is better" fanboys are, comparing the worse of today with the best of yesterday. You can't even admit that it is all in your opinion.... It is not just nostalgia that binds you but fanboyism, too. You admire the past and can't comprehend something being better, so you think your opinions as facts and try to pass them off as so.LogicNProportion said:-snip-
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If you want to see the very best of the 50s or 60s, dress up as a black man and go to the past that way. Society began degrading in the 80s, he says. Become black and go to those times, and then you can tell me that society was better.
I'm outtie, ya'll. For real. If you got something to say, private message me.
-GC
I didn't say the thread or topic was wrong. I said that LnP's opinion--which he totted off as fact--was wrong. Get it right. I accussed him of fanboyism because he wished to go back to a time he never been in or experienced. He found things in the past to be generally better than things in the present, ignoring certain facts about. If he was Japanophile making the same claim about Japan, he'd get slammed. Hard. I called him a fanboy because his general disposition is not too dissimilar to that of a fanboy's. Y'know, if walks, talks, and acts...
Lastly, why shouldn't I use my opinions as facts? You, him, and others are doing it. Is it because I'm not in your cool club, or is it because I called you out on your bullshit? At least I can admit part of my argument is based solely on my opinion.