"Kill Castro" Mission Leads to Black Ops Boycott Call
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I like it how in the news story on their site, they didn't even bother putting up a screenshot of the actual CoD: Black Ops.
OT: This isn't unexpected. I'm surprised they took the took the fact that you shoot Castro in the head as the major bad point, rather than the torture scene and the fact that you can blow people's limbs off.
OT: This isn't unexpected. I'm surprised they took the took the fact that you shoot Castro in the head as the major bad point, rather than the torture scene and the fact that you can blow people's limbs off.
As a citizen of Albion I find the recent, "Fable 3" abhor-able because it preaches against the current king and tries to create chaos within the people in order to start a revolution. This is unacceptable.
I'm a little behind on this article, but that's basically what that I thought of. This seems rather extreme for the purpose of trying to oppose the game.ProfessorLayton said:
On the other hand, COD seems like it's trying to sell itself by being "edgy" so I'm not shocked.
Yeah but Hitler was a bad guy, nothing at all like Castro.The_root_of_all_evil said:TBF, and playing Devil's Advocate here, this game is gun-porn. What better money shot than pulling off something the Army couldn't do in 60(?) years.
So yeah, understandable; certainly, disrespectful; very.
But then...it's been done before.
Also if it's rated M then the parents should STFU, take responsibility for their children and get the facts before they start trying to ruin peoples enjoyment and livelihood. (yeah you arrogant, know-best gits see nothing wrong with that, do you? But heaven forbid that somebody shows an evil man getting what is eventually coming to him.)
In summary it's a game, if you can't tell the difference between that and reality, then you shouldn't be let out of the home and you are in no position to make any decision on this scale
Drudgelmir out.
I think that depends entirely what side of the fence you're sitting on.Drudgelmir said:
Would you like a game that presented a Black Ops mission to kill Miley Cyrus? Even if it turns out you only killed a Hannah Montana double.
My advice:
Let the parents actually play the game before they comdamn (spelled correctly?)the game, that and the parents need to look at the ERSB/PEGI rating before actually opening their mouth. It's an 18+ game not an 6+ game.
Let the parents actually play the game before they comdamn (spelled correctly?)the game, that and the parents need to look at the ERSB/PEGI rating before actually opening their mouth. It's an 18+ game not an 6+ game.
This has probably been covered, but I have to throw it in: wouldn't the world be a better place if we were even half as informed/angry about actual fucking atrocities and war-mongering as we apparently are about virtual ones? It just seems so goddamn ludicrous, getting riled up about virtual depictions of these things when real-life equivalents are happening every day.
First I hear of that accusation, so, sources. Seriously, sources that are not right wing US or exiled cubans with a grudge.Desert Tiger said:Actually, they were in Turkey and Italy, not West Germany.HuntrRose said:Have you really read up on Cold War history? The cuban missile crisis came because USSR wanted to place medium range ballistic nuclear missiles on cuba in reponse to the US deployment of similar missiles in West Germany.Desert Tiger said:You know he was trying to persuade Russia to nuke America, right? Then there was the whole Cuba Missile Crisis thing...HuntrRose said:If by Dangerous Dictator you mean Person-Who-Wanted-The-Best-For-His-Country-And-Not-US-Companies, then I agree. He was actually not even a communist, untill the US blocked forced Cuba to do buisness with the USSR. The USSR made certain demands, and here we are...runedeadthA said:Its hilarious that they act all high and mighty about these mainstream games N stuff when they have NO IDEA how bad other things can be, compared to Certain-Things-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named Black ops is positively Tame.KaosuHamoni said:It's not even fucking Castro. Its a decoy. -.-
OT: So what. Its a fucking video game. Get over it.
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I second that motion...Onyx Oblivion said:What would happen if the public discovered some of the shit that goes down in Shin Megami Tensei?
And for the last time, it's not meant for children. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AS A PARENT!
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[sub][sub]Do the Ocean Motion...[/sub][/sub][/sub]
Besides if they're trying to turn me against Castro, they're doing a bad job. he may be a Dangerous Dictator, but the guy has Style.
But to be honest, especially when it comes to Latin America, leaders are always in the grey area. Even El Che, a celebrated freedom fighter and one of the most influential revolutionaries of the 20th century was known to execute his own soldiers personally if they retreated.
Case in point - Castro may have done some very good things, but he did some extremely bad things to do them.
The US got scared because the USSR was deploying missiles within range of the US when they already had missiles in range of the USSR. It's like slapping someone in the face then threatning to blow up a kindergarten when they wanna slap you back for it.
But let me repeat - HE WANTED RUSSIA TO LAUNCH NUKES AT THE US. No threat. No demands.
It's not exactly common knowledge - I think the documents were declassified late last year.HuntrRose said:First I hear of that accusation, so, sources. Seriously, sources that are not right wing US or exiled cubans with a grudge.Desert Tiger said:Actually, they were in Turkey and Italy, not West Germany.HuntrRose said:Have you really read up on Cold War history? The cuban missile crisis came because USSR wanted to place medium range ballistic nuclear missiles on cuba in reponse to the US deployment of similar missiles in West Germany.Desert Tiger said:You know he was trying to persuade Russia to nuke America, right? Then there was the whole Cuba Missile Crisis thing...HuntrRose said:If by Dangerous Dictator you mean Person-Who-Wanted-The-Best-For-His-Country-And-Not-US-Companies, then I agree. He was actually not even a communist, untill the US blocked forced Cuba to do buisness with the USSR. The USSR made certain demands, and here we are...runedeadthA said:Its hilarious that they act all high and mighty about these mainstream games N stuff when they have NO IDEA how bad other things can be, compared to Certain-Things-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named Black ops is positively Tame.KaosuHamoni said:It's not even fucking Castro. Its a decoy. -.-
OT: So what. Its a fucking video game. Get over it.
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I second that motion...Onyx Oblivion said:What would happen if the public discovered some of the shit that goes down in Shin Megami Tensei?
And for the last time, it's not meant for children. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AS A PARENT!
[sub]On the ocean...
[sub][sub]Do the Ocean Motion...[/sub][/sub][/sub]
Besides if they're trying to turn me against Castro, they're doing a bad job. he may be a Dangerous Dictator, but the guy has Style.
But to be honest, especially when it comes to Latin America, leaders are always in the grey area. Even El Che, a celebrated freedom fighter and one of the most influential revolutionaries of the 20th century was known to execute his own soldiers personally if they retreated.
Case in point - Castro may have done some very good things, but he did some extremely bad things to do them.
The US got scared because the USSR was deploying missiles within range of the US when they already had missiles in range of the USSR. It's like slapping someone in the face then threatning to blow up a kindergarten when they wanna slap you back for it.
But let me repeat - HE WANTED RUSSIA TO LAUNCH NUKES AT THE US. No threat. No demands.
But here ya go:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/new-details-of-cold-war-nuclear-threat-nytimes-com
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/MeredithJessup/2009/09/24/nytimes_castro_wanted_soviets_to_nuke_usa
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/cuban_colada/2009/09/moscow-nixed-castro-bid-for-nuclear-attack-on-us-during-cold-war-new-study-reveals.html
http://www.misterwriter.info/2009/09/cuba-wanted-to-nuke-us-what-cheek.html
Aaaand it's kicking around Wikipedia somewhere as well, too.
There is nothing you can do about stupid people except kill them with fire. That would sort out all of our problems.
Not sure I trust most of those sites as far as I can throw them, but I'll admit there might be something in it. Still, it doesn't excuse the US's attempts at assassination. And we still got of the point. The game in question let's the player go through an old Black Ops game in a very action filled way.Desert Tiger said:It's not exactly common knowledge - I think the documents were declassified late last year.HuntrRose said:First I hear of that accusation, so, sources. Seriously, sources that are not right wing US or exiled cubans with a grudge.Desert Tiger said:Actually, they were in Turkey and Italy, not West Germany.HuntrRose said:Have you really read up on Cold War history? The cuban missile crisis came because USSR wanted to place medium range ballistic nuclear missiles on cuba in reponse to the US deployment of similar missiles in West Germany.Desert Tiger said:You know he was trying to persuade Russia to nuke America, right? Then there was the whole Cuba Missile Crisis thing...HuntrRose said:If by Dangerous Dictator you mean Person-Who-Wanted-The-Best-For-His-Country-And-Not-US-Companies, then I agree. He was actually not even a communist, untill the US blocked forced Cuba to do buisness with the USSR. The USSR made certain demands, and here we are...runedeadthA said:Its hilarious that they act all high and mighty about these mainstream games N stuff when they have NO IDEA how bad other things can be, compared to Certain-Things-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named Black ops is positively Tame.KaosuHamoni said:It's not even fucking Castro. Its a decoy. -.-
OT: So what. Its a fucking video game. Get over it.
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I second that motion...Onyx Oblivion said:What would happen if the public discovered some of the shit that goes down in Shin Megami Tensei?
And for the last time, it's not meant for children. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AS A PARENT!
[sub]On the ocean...
[sub][sub]Do the Ocean Motion...[/sub][/sub][/sub]
Besides if they're trying to turn me against Castro, they're doing a bad job. he may be a Dangerous Dictator, but the guy has Style.
But to be honest, especially when it comes to Latin America, leaders are always in the grey area. Even El Che, a celebrated freedom fighter and one of the most influential revolutionaries of the 20th century was known to execute his own soldiers personally if they retreated.
Case in point - Castro may have done some very good things, but he did some extremely bad things to do them.
The US got scared because the USSR was deploying missiles within range of the US when they already had missiles in range of the USSR. It's like slapping someone in the face then threatning to blow up a kindergarten when they wanna slap you back for it.
But let me repeat - HE WANTED RUSSIA TO LAUNCH NUKES AT THE US. No threat. No demands.
But here ya go:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/new-details-of-cold-war-nuclear-threat-nytimes-com
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/MeredithJessup/2009/09/24/nytimes_castro_wanted_soviets_to_nuke_usa
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/cuban_colada/2009/09/moscow-nixed-castro-bid-for-nuclear-attack-on-us-during-cold-war-new-study-reveals.html
http://www.misterwriter.info/2009/09/cuba-wanted-to-nuke-us-what-cheek.html
Aaaand it's kicking around Wikipedia somewhere as well, too.
So showing historical (if probably inaccurate) episodes is grounds for bans? And here I thought the entertainment industry thrived on shit like that. Pearl Harbor, Saving Ryans Privates... um wait.. Saving Private Ryan I mean... and so on and so forth...
I think a few people here missed the point that AFGJ was trying to make. To understand that, you would have to understand the organization's people, and I do. I do because I have worked with them in DC on Afghanistan human rights issues, and they certainly have a... point of view.
They believe that the US promotes its military through various means, including video gaming and Hollywood, to make US citizens more willing to accept war. The Bay of Pigs, in their minds, is a perfect example of the US using its power to try to alter foreign governments through force. So a game that glorifies (and any time you play something, it must be glorifying it in their minds) the Bay of Pigs is an attempt to suggest that US intervention in Cuba was a good thing.
I won't get into whether I think it was or not, the point is that they aren't against games because they think you're going to shoot up your high school, they're against games because they think you're going to enlist in the Army and shoot up brown people.
They may, and I stress the MAY, have a point. Americans are fairly willing to accept war, even the liberals who accept war in Afghanistan as somehow beneficial because it will end their problems (spoiler alert: it won't). And Americans are more fixated on FPS games than any other nation. Americans are just as fixated on war movies and movies that show America solving the world's problems all by itself.
I'll end this ridiculously long post on this question: does the gaming industry (and Hollywood) promote pro-US military sentiment, or are they simply driven by the demands of gamers who, by and large, prefer pro-US military messages because they accept American nationalism and exceptionalism?
Answer: yes.
They believe that the US promotes its military through various means, including video gaming and Hollywood, to make US citizens more willing to accept war. The Bay of Pigs, in their minds, is a perfect example of the US using its power to try to alter foreign governments through force. So a game that glorifies (and any time you play something, it must be glorifying it in their minds) the Bay of Pigs is an attempt to suggest that US intervention in Cuba was a good thing.
I won't get into whether I think it was or not, the point is that they aren't against games because they think you're going to shoot up your high school, they're against games because they think you're going to enlist in the Army and shoot up brown people.
They may, and I stress the MAY, have a point. Americans are fairly willing to accept war, even the liberals who accept war in Afghanistan as somehow beneficial because it will end their problems (spoiler alert: it won't). And Americans are more fixated on FPS games than any other nation. Americans are just as fixated on war movies and movies that show America solving the world's problems all by itself.
I'll end this ridiculously long post on this question: does the gaming industry (and Hollywood) promote pro-US military sentiment, or are they simply driven by the demands of gamers who, by and large, prefer pro-US military messages because they accept American nationalism and exceptionalism?
Answer: yes.
